Global warming

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Originally Posted by harris7

Benagain, I find your conduct inappropriate.

You are using what is called ad hominem argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

If you disagree with my arguments please attack my arguments not my person. You clearly are not educated in formal argument and its structure; and I do not hold that against you. I am highly educated in this subject so although I consider your approach inappropriate, I also consider it a complement. By attacking me youâ??ve shown me that my arguments are too difficult to rebut, I thank your for that. But please, next time donâ??t be so immature and just tell me Iâ??m awesome.

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lol....pwnt?

what's pwnt?

I think Harris7 makes an awesome point though...the ad hominem attack goes on so much on these boards... people just insult other people instead of actually dealing with the subject at hand.

This is so true....someone needs to post a debating 101 thread :D

Harris7 I think you're awesome :D

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Originally Posted by dutch.lover

what's pwnt?

I think Harris7 makes an awesome point though...the ad hominem attack goes on so much on these boards... people just insult other people instead of actually dealing with the subject at hand.

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pwnt = owned = well i'm sure you know what 'owned' means...

Ok Ok, I can completely agree with anyone who thinks I acted innapropriatly. I am not proud how how I acted or what I said. I allowed a petty issue get under my skin and instead of keeping my cool and asking questions or just statingmy point of view, I acted childish and was rude and insulting. Ususally I'm a pretty laid back guy and I try my best to go with the "beleive what you want" conecpt, but I failed miserably here. Please if you can, accept my apologies. I'll make no more attacks on your opinion or your character. I mean no one here ill will and genually hope the best for everyone, whether we get along 100% or not doesn't matter. I acted against my beleifs and I'm ashamed of it, but I have to accept I did it. :(

On another and one last note: I only have one last question.. As everyone can tell, I'm holding out for a final end all answer to the changes and I'm open to all ideas, but what would those who fully understand and belive in global warming like me to do that I'm not allready doing? I've been reading over the links provided and doing my best to grasp the knowledge and I'll eventually read it all. Until then, I'll let you know what I'm doing now. I recycle and conserve engegy, I bought a car that's cheap on gas (not a hybrid, the ones that I can afford are not worth driving), I have an suv, but I generally use the car unless the jeep is just needed (cheap on gas). When I go out to the beach or to fish or whatever, I allways bring back more trash then what I come with. I generally try to be a freind of the environment within my means, but sometimes I get a feeling as though some people want me to do more. I could be wrong, but if not, what can I really do.

I might not fully understand the global warming theory and beleive it, but that doesn't mean I can't still do my part to clean up what little bit of land I inhabit right? I swear this post isn't meant to irritate anyone, but only to help me better understand my situation. Thanks for the patience guys, and sorry again for acting like a dick-head. Nothing but love for everyone here. :thumbsup:

Benagain...I think that's the right attitude - whether it's real or not, we can do things and help the enviroment whether we'll be here or not. Maybe it's generation down the road that can benefit.
After seeing An Inconvenient Truth and buying the book, I knew there must be more I can do.
A few things I've discovered that I've started working on:
:) eplace a regular incandescent light bulb with a compact fluorescent light bulb (cfl)
:) Move your thermostat down 2° in winter and up 2° in summer
:) Clean or replace filters on your furnace and air conditioner
:) Install a programmable thermostat
:) Choose energy efficient appliances when making new purchases
:) Wrap your water heater in an insulation blanket
:) Use less hot water
:) Turn off electronic devices you’re not using
:) Only run your dishwasher when there’s a full load and use the energy-saving setting
:) Insulate and weatherize your home
:) Buy recycled paper products and RECYCLE
:) Plant a tree
:) Switch to green power
:) Buy locally grown and produced foods
:) Buy fresh foods instead of frozen
:) Buy organic foods as much as possible
:) Avoid heavily packaged products
:) Eat less meat
:) Reduce the number of miles you drive by walking, biking, carpooling or taking mass transit wherever possible
:) Keep your car tuned up
:) Check your tires weekly to make sure they’re properly inflated
:) Use the good 'erb and obtain enlightenment

Okay, so I added the last one and skipped a few 'no-brainers' ... but this list is from: http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/

Thanks for the tips 420izzle. I dp pretty moch most of those things allready for one reason or another (most of the food stuff for health reasons), but I was wondering about the less emat thing. If it mentions that in the book, is there a reason? I'm only asking as my new years diet calls for lots of lean meats every night so I can't do much about that at the moment, but it would still be nice to know more about it.

I like meat! MMMMMM good.
But this is what they say:
Methane is the second most significant greenhouse gas and cows are one of the greatest methane emitters. Their grassy diet and multiple stomachs cause them to produce methane, which they exhale with every breath.
Tough to hit 'em all!
GL

Cradle to Cradle is another good book/concept.

I think benagain is on the right path...it really isn't his fault because the current administration has made so many people feel that "any" talk about the environment comes from crazy treehuggers instead of the scientific community from which it really comes...

420izzle those are wonderful suggestions! For EVERYONE!!

I think one of the best things he or anyone can do is READ READ READ the scientific journals and then spread the knowledge so we can defeat the total crap that exxon mobile and their cronies have saturated the public with.

Kudos to you benagain...it is the better person that admits his mistake. Spread your new found knowledge! :D