AK-47 in E&F - rockwool/clay medium (First Grow Log)

Well, I took some small picture frame holders, bent them out into "L" joints and duck taped them to the 90 bend to add some more support, that back plant part that is bent is to heavy and the front plant just didn't have enouph stability. However, most of the growing is now pointing to the lights and I dropped the lights a good 12". I've done alot of investigation into the ScrOg thing and I'm pretty fucking exicted about it. I'm going to build one this weekend when I set the clone mother tent up. I can do like 2 plants scrog and get the same yield I would with these 3 plants if not more, thats pretty awsome if you ask me. I'll end up getting away with bigger bags too, like 2 gallons maybe or even bigger.

There are buds forming!! Woohoo! Small as they are its just exciting to see them!

One other observation, the front and back plants leaves have turned noticably darker past the bend that I made. The coloring on the middle plant didn't change but its also the one I didn't have to support. What would that mean?

hi bert,

good observation about the colour change, don't worry, my guess is that either the bottom leaves are paler because they are older and havent recieved much light lately or the plants metabolism just unbalanced due to the stress of the crush. Nothing to worry about.

I dont scrog because i can only work from the front of my tent. you really need access on at least 3 sides because you need to prune underneath and pull the branches through to fill the screen. scrog would help with your light problem though.

Subzero :)

Well, I've been able to squeeze in to either side of my tent so far and I have the front too for access so I don't think its going to be a problem for me. Worth it IMO. Pictures comming tommorow or sunday! I just need to be spot-on with my measurements :wtf:

The only thing is... you will need the screen to fill the whole tent, a 4 plant scrog will fill that space so you wont be able to climb in to prune and bend, I wouldn't have thought? It seems a bit of a waste valuable grow space to leave a gap at the sides just so you can have access. I supercrop because i want to get my tent bulging with buds that are around the same height to make it as efficent as possible, if I have gaps, i fill them up with plants in pots. No way could I get in there. A screen would be way too restrictive in my set up.

Your not going to use any more light or electric and the risk is no greater so why not fill' er up and get the best return possible.

Just my opinion, but have a read about supercropping it may be better for your application.

Oh ya, hows that carbon filter working???

Subzero :smokin:

I read the supercropping stuff but nothing quite said anything in particular about training the plants in any particular direction. It mostly refered to the act of breaking the stem, or the outer wall of the stem. Hey they makes sense, and I think I'll do it too. Your also training though right? So I'm geussing what you do is while they are still fairly small you mash it and bend it where you want over and over again avoiding having to tie your plant down. Does that provide you with enouph stability or do you have issues with not enouph stability?

What I read about scrog on some persons use of scrog says they are able to manage about 17.5g per square foot in a 2'x4' scrop trellis (with 2 plants). Well, I'm at 2ft/3.5ft. I think I could pull off a 2'x4' scrog setup in my tent based off of this. And as for my use, that seems enouph of a yield for me based off my consumption.

However, if you think supercropping + training like we did with my plants would produce a higher yield I'd be more than happy to try your way for these clones in the oven right now.

i think you should try all bending topping supercroping scroging methods and even make one up of your own...just not all at once. over time you will try it all or at least at least you'll try most of it. every grower, room and plant are different and its all about finding the best match for each circumstance. this method may work great with that light but when you go hid you may find another method works best. sub and i have have probably used similar methods at one point over the years but have ended up using much different setups now because of what has worked or not worked for us over the years...

having said that i think the main reason some people shy away from supercrop is because bending and scroging are considered "low stress" but aside for the occasional unfixable broken branch ive never seen supercrop hurt a plant or diminish yield. in fact i was looking at my buddys 4ft tall supercroped plants the other night and the SC tops looked even fatter then the others.
but if you are going to stick with that light i would do more plants (like 6), topped early into veg with 4 branches, flower early when they are still small and scrog early and low. your turn around will be faster that way. :thumbsup:

hey sub, a buddy of mine is getting married in Birmingham this aug. and i think ill be in berlin around then so i should be able to fly over for it. we should hook up for a pint and some stories if your around the NW. i'll also be going to his bachelor party in amsterdam...unless the wife thinks i'd visit the hookers....i would never... ;)

@subzero - The carbon filter is working out fabulous :thumbsup:

Hey guys, just finished my little project about 2 hours ago (still haven't build the other tent) and I wanted to post some pictures. I think overall considering my lights...what I'd like to do after this grow is put some plants in, top at 10" and maybe supercrop the two nodes that spawn off of that. Scrog those plants when those nodes hit 12". That is kinda what I'm wanting to do with the left over clones I'll have after I pick out this mother from my 6 clones.

About the clones, they are all still healthy looking. Haven't seen any roots yet. Not much difference from anything I can tell from when I first took the cuttings. When should I start using Grow nutes on them, and what strength, like 1/4 strength maybe?

Lastly, as you will see in the pictures...Today I built a scrog trellis, and after staring at my plants for about 15 minutes and wondering how I could keep the light even....I said screw it and put my trellis in there and tied the plants to it, I also trained some stems on the trellis as well. It wasn't my intention to put it in there for these particular plants, but after doing it I think overall I'm pretty satisfied. I didn't have to drill holes in my flood table (even though I know its not that big of a deal) and I can really keep the lights even for the rest of this grow which will be good. Luckily the bends I made really worked out for the height of the trellis. Hope you enjoy the pictures guys, tell me what you think :chainsaw:

the screen looks to be just what you needed in there. nice.

why are you wanting to top at 10in and why do you want to top, supercrop and scrog all at the same time? i would flip to flower at or before 10in and top early on in veg. but i think i just said all this the other day.
the topping, SC and scrog are all different methods to achieve the same results (keeping the plants low and wide) and really, unless you dont plan the height of your plants well, you really never need to SC and scrog at the same time. topping is effective with both SC and scrog.

is there a reason for wanting to use 2 plants and not 5 or 6? the law? to fill the tray with 2 plants youre looking at about a 4 week veg or more and with 6 plants maybe a 10 day/2week veg. a longer veg will effect the flower time. the yield is set by the lumans. so with the same light you will yield the same amount but in just about 3+ weeks less time. that also saves money in power bills. but it seems like you have your mind made up so this will be the last advise i give on this issue.

not sure of the temp and humi in your room but i was up to 85f and 25% the other day with all fans and venting on. i just went and bought a swamp cooler and yesterday it was 94f and dry outside where im at. lights came on at 8pm and with the swamp cooler it was 80f and 60%. there is no ducting and it runs on about 300watts. love it. today is going to be 101 where im at...:(

bert,
the screen looks great, you want to pull the tallest ones back through the screen fairly soon to keep the canopy nice and flat. Try to line it up so each bud gets its own hole in the screen.

I forgot earlier that your tank/tray are up in the air compared to mine and it looks like you could move around a bit more than i thought.

no nutes for clones, the bottom leaves will likely start to yellow, this means roots are forming. I would guess 10-12 days since you took them to expect roots through the cube.

I agree with all what Icbh says above, by your next grow, you will know what to expect and you will soon develop a style of your own, timing is the crutial thing , eg when to take clones so they can go straight in to your flower room. the bending and training will just come naturally.

Pleased about the filter.

Spot on bert, to think they were dying 3 weeks ago!

Subzero :thumbsup:

Icbh,

I'm all over in the summer, let me know closer to the wedding and I will see where I am. Could work out as a good source of seeds for you!

Did you sort out your nute problem??

Subzero :stoned:

Awsome guys, I've been looking at the thread on and off today waiting for your responses lol!

@icbh - I will readily take your advice on that....I mean I'll have 5 extra clones to grow once I pick a mother out. So what your saying is I should top early on...maybe at 4 nodes or something, and then of course use my scrog trellis at that point. Veg for 2 weeks, and then bloom till harvest. I've got no problem with that at all, I just thought with 2 plants instead of 5 or 6 it would be easier to manage and I didn't think I would have the space for that many. Right now I'm sitting in the high 70's and humidity is at 50% all the time generally (I have a de-humidifier running 24/7 in the room). As a side note, that would be awsome to get married in Amsterdam. I'm planning a trip to hop around Europe here in the next year or so myself.

@subzero - Only three weeks, so hard to believe where they are at now with all my previous failures. Also, I took a look at that bonsai mother post...wow thats crazy. I don't anything about soil yet though. Have any suggestions on where I should look to get started with that? The plants are already in 2" rockwool cubes, would that be ok to put in soil or should I try to break the RW apart? I'll try to do some investigation into soil in the mean time because I'm geussing they should be ready to transplant here by the end of this next week or pretty close anyways.

Again guys, thanks alot of all the suggestions and help, all of it has been priceless to me in my endeavors here.

I'm going to be adding 1/2 strength Ionic Boost today as well, and go full strength Boost next week.