LSTTT: Low Stress Twisty Tie Training

ok, i been tinkerin more while they had the site down.

THIS IS VERSION 3 ALREADY:wtf:

for my mind, the purpose with this is for soil folks who wanna do scrog but still want portability with their pots.

the main ingredients are the same.

fencing (for screen/top)
wire hangers or tie wire (i used 14 ga.)

im using pots with a rollover lip, i also have some single wall, for those put hole in lip (like for LST) and attach verticle wire to it with a twisty.

the setup depends on your space.
my space is 33 in wide x 44in deep
i can fit 6, like a giant ganja 6pack.

basically, here's my setup
the top-
fence cut to have 16 inches across and a hangover lip. those openings are 4x4 and 4x1.25
this was some kinda rabit fencing and has 2 sizes of holes.
it was also cheapest.
cut, bend and twist fence and wiring to make the top.

the legs-
use wire hangers, or
i trippled my 14 ga tie wire.
set legs as shown


attach top and twist secure.

i also put a piece of duct tape on each leg on the pot to secure it better.

looks like itll survive a hurricane and roof is approx 15 inches above the soil.

i think ill put it on Galina tomorow.

what do you mad scientists think?

I think that is awesome. Great idea. I'm looking real forward to seeing that filled in. You are going to make a grow log aren't you?

I was wondering why you used the fencing with small holes. Oh just reread. It just came that way. If you make many of these you should try at least one without the smaller holes. Wait a minute, you are going to be doing just that with part of your screen. Duh, I'll shut up now and go to bed. It's just that I wanted you and others to know that I first used poultry netting which really sucked compared to what I'm using now. The holes were way too small, and hundreds of little pokie things kept poking and scratching me. I suppose I could have filed them all off, but it would be much easier to use the wire netting that has 2 x 2" or 1.5 x 3" or something.

Coming soon to Rocks PortaScrog Emporium: The portable stadium tree scrog, for plants over 10 feet tall.

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

Coming soon to Rocks PortaScrog Emporium: The portable stadium tree scrog, for plants over 10 feet tall.

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Priceless!:D

we'll start with the smaller version and see what happens,LOL!

Galina gets a new playspace:D

Nice looking contraption there Rock. Next SCROG I do I'm putting the clearance between the plant and the lower screen at 12 inches. On the Dominas they are screened at 2 ft since they got that big waiting for the flower room to become available (damn nute def on ones before them).

For my Master Kush clones, they have the lower screen at 8 inches and the upper screen 12 inches above the lower one. After tinkering around I find that 12 inches gives me enough room to work/play but not so much to create problems.

BTW, my reasoning for an upper screen is to support the colas and give me something to tie them to when shaping the canopy.

Wow Rock. I am honored. It's like my name is up in lights or something, except it's not, it's in your signature. Thank you.

MVP, I'm trying a double screen and I'm still not sure I get it. One screen is usually enough for me to support my colas and give me something to tie to. I'm thinking that if you veg unusually long then 2 screens might be helpful. In fact for really tall plants, I guess that there really ought to be a screen about every 12 or 16". Like 3 foot and taller should have 3 screens and maybe more? Is this your thinking MVP? That you need "pre" screens to keep large plants from toppling over, and to kinda get them headed in the right direction before the final positioning? You gave me the reasoning for an upper screen, but I guess I want to know what your reasoning is for the pre screen, or bottom screen.

Here is the quick explanation:

Lower screen is used during Veg and first 2-3 weeks of Flower to tuck under and weave (and at times to tie shoots LST style when they are too big to tuck and/or weave).

Upper screen is to use when Flower stretch begins to support weight of colas and keep them upright.

Last time I grew Black Domina the tops were so heavy they fell over and KO'ed other branches. I don't have the ability (access/space) to tie tops up to ceiling, etc since I'm growing in a closet. Hence the upper screen for support. And to make me less paraniod of falling colas that cause premature harvesting.

Hopefully this makes sense. If not post back and I will answer again to confuse the issue further. :stoned:

That makes sense, thanks. I guess I wasn't seeing it since I've usually had way more bud sites than you, thus smaller ones as well that aren't likely to topple over. I'd like to imagine all 500 of my buds get big enough to topple over. Next time I plan on less and bigger buds, as I keep mentioning, so perhaps I'll see the advantage of two screens better at that time.

I'll certainly be posting a lot of pics as things move along to see if that darn screen is worthwhile and does much good. We'll have something to look at, compare/contrast sometime within the next 45-60 days or so.

Lil update for you. Looking good, smelling good, getting frosty. Somewhat disappointed at the small bud size, but what do I expect with 100 or so buds in that little space and 3 gallons of nutrients. What the hell was I thinking? After the remodel each plant will have about 1.5 gallons instead of 0.33 gal.

The last 2 shots are of the same bud.

Iâ??ve been trying to get my automatic dosers going, and after 2 tries Iâ??ve come to the conclusion that these dosers are not really for small reservoirs that donâ??t recirculate. The root masses form barriers and the acid cannot freely mix with the nutrients fast enough. The first time I turned them on, the PH shot down to like 3 before I could shut them off. I took them back out and adjusted the position of the probe in relation the opening of the hose for the acid (moved them closer). I also diluted 2.5 molar acid 10 to 1 instead of the 5 to 1 that the directions call for, which is what I tried on the first attempt. I shut the valves down as far as they would go without shutting the flow off completely and tried again. This time the same thing happened only not as bad. The PH shot down to 4 before I shut them off, and took twice as long to go down as the first try.

Iâ??m pretty sure it could be done in these small non-circulating reservoirs, but I would need to reduce down to 1/8â?� hose. I also thought about putting the pump on a cyclestat timer, so once the switch was switched, instead of the pump turning on and staying on, it would turn on for like 2 seconds, then be off for 3 minutes or so, then on and off again until PH is brought down where it needs to be. I have an extra cyclestat, but since there is only about 4 weeks left in this temporary grow I am going to forget it for now and set it up for my real grow.

More on this later. The first two photos are a before and after of the probe position. Oh yeah, I got a new tri-meter too. The first probe was no good so I took it back and got another probe. Now I donâ??t think its calibrated correctly (The hydro guy did it in a hurry.) Iâ??m also having troubles with both of my damn billion dollar truncheon meters. More on that later too.