Some front line views of the war against God.
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
To know that bacteria do evolve, yet deny evolution is the sign of a small narrow mind.
Who here ever denied evolution? I certainly didn't, I only denied that the human species evolved from primates...and I did this because I haven't seen any irrefutable proof to prove otherwise. You obviously didn't read this thread, but just decided to jump in and run your mouth when you saw there was a Christian present. It's obvious you didn't even read my earlier response to your belligerent post to me. Which, in my opinion, is the sign of an arrogant mind and a narrow attention span.
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
God does NOT exist...Carbon Dating has already proved this.
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Are you really serious? It's painfully apparent that you didn't read my response now, because I specifically asked that you actually attempt to understand these desperate arguments you're trying to make!
Carbon-14 dating can only be used to provide a date for once living organisms, so...how exactly do you propose that it could manage to disprove the existence of an ethereal (and by your accounts, fictional) God? Carbon-14, or radiocarbon/radioisotope dating isn't even a precisely scientific method of dating living organisms...because in order for the methods to work, you also need to know how long the specimen has been dead. Carbon-14 is unstable and degrades over time, changing back into nitrogen...so, real scientists can only speculate how this would affect the accuracy of any readings. They claim to be able to determine an approximate age by making a hypothesis based around the half-life of the remaining organism. Is that too complex for you to wrap your little mind around? It's hypothetical...not undisputed fact. Nothing more, nothing less.
But wait, there's more! According to Don Batten, Ph.D.:
"The amount of cosmic rays penetrating Earthâ??s atmosphere affects the amount of 14C produced and therefore the dating system. The amount of cosmic rays varies with the sunâ??s activity and passage through magnetic clouds as the solar system travels around the Milky Way galaxy.
The strength of Earthâ??s magnetic field also affects the amount of cosmic rays entering the atmosphere (with a stronger magnetic field, more cosmic rays are deflected away from Earth). Overall, the energy of Earthâ??s magnetic field has been decreasing, so more 14C is being produced now than in the past. This will make old things look older than they really are."
I could go on to disprove this even further, but I'm almost certain that I've already lost your undivided attention. I'm sure you can't be bothered by listening to facts, and all...
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
To deny carbon dating is to accept you are ignorant to the point of insanity.
To believe that carbon dating is infallible would be to openly admit that you are a bumbling moron. And, sadly, an insanity plea won't excuse you from the fact that you're totally ignorant of the scientific methods you profess to know anything about.
Some front line views of the war against God.
You are full of shit. You deny science.
Biblical age of earth 6000-10000 years.
Actual age several million - 100 million years.
Age of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Radiometric dating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There are 100s of Gods, older than the Christian God.
The bible has stolen most if not all of the events from the myths of these gods.
I asked a question concerning many of these gods earlier in the thread , why cant you answer it? What makes your god different?
God does not exist.
Some front line views of the war against God.
Oh and i see where you got that info from .
LMFAO
ChristianAnswers.net.
How accurate are Carbon-14 and other radioactive dating methods? - ChristianAnswers.Net
Using the Genesis Flood (noah) as proof????
Well hows that for a biased opinion. Man, you haven't even half a brain.
Heres another quote from the same page.
"Creationist researchers have suggested that dates of 35,000 - 45,000 years should be re-calibrated to the biblical date of the flood"
WTF so you are changing the bible(again)?????
Creationists are trying to use the same methods they are attacking to try to prove the date of a mythical flood 35000 years ago????????
Some front line views of the war against God.
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
You are full of shit. You deny science.
You make such a compelling & civil argument...
I never denied science, moron. Actually, I used science to benefit my argument, and discredit yours. But I didn't actually expect you to follow along, and see the point(s) that I made...you're to thick-skulled to do accomplish such a simple task.
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
Actual age several million - 100 million years.
...and you know this is the "actual age"...how, exactly? Because an evolutionary scientist told you so? Oh, wait...carbon dating, right? Did you know that the older an object is (such as dinosaur bones), the less amount of carbon-14 is still left in the specimen? Meaning, once again, that your carbon dating method would be even less accurate in determining the actual age of the species in question. In other words, the bones that were found that were estimated to be 700 zillion years old, could actually be only a few thousand years old. Otherwise, there'd be no more carbon-14 left in the specimen to analyze...giving it the physical properties of granite. And I'm sure you know that carbon dating only works on organisms that were once living...otherwise, you'd look like more of a fool than you probably are.
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
I asked a question concerning many of these gods earlier in the thread , why cant you answer it? What makes your god different?
I did answer your asinine question...you didn't listen, or didn't like what you heard.
My God has been worshiped for thousands of years. The gods that you posed were worshiped for hundreds, many were worshiped for even less. The Egyptians made up new gods every time they needed rain, or fertility in marriages, or a cure for an ailment, or more hair on their head, etc. The followers of these false gods are likened more to a cult, which gradually faded into obscurity, and were never considered an organized religion in the first place.
The same could be said about Greek gods, Anglo-Saxton gods, African gods, Mayan gods, and so forth. The difference between their gods, and my God? Mine is still being worshiped by a large population of the entire world, not just a specific region. And has been for thousands of years, not hundreds. There's your answer, highlighted in bolt for added effect (and to make sure I'm actually getting my point across), though I still don't see you fully understanding what I'm saying. Because it totally contradicts the weak point you were trying to make.
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
God does not exist.
That is a personal opinion. Thanks for sharing it with me. But, no offense, I really don't care at all about your personal opinions. I never asked for it, you simply felt compelled to give it. Now you can have it back, because it has done nothing to convince me that I'm wrong. Quite the opposite actually. Every time a belligerent jerk like yourself gets all bent out of shape because you'll never change my mind, it simply makes me understand why my God considers souls like you to be "lost". And regardless of whether or not it will do any good, I'll still say a small prayer for you.
...furthermore, I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Otherwise, we'll end up bickering even more...and there's nothing productive in that at all.
Some front line views of the war against God.
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
Oh and i see where you got that info from .
LMFAO
ChristianAnswers.net.
Man! If you even had a tenth of a brain, you'd open your bloodshot eyes and see that I actually quoted my source! But, I don't expect you to retain information for longer than five minutes, so I'll show you again: Don Batten, Ph.D.
There you go, genius. A physiologist and research scientist, who also happens to be a *gasp* Christian. I know, I know...those don't exist. He's just a really good liar.
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
Using the Genesis Flood (noah) as proof????
Well hows that for a biased opinion.
Dude, I never even once mentioned Noah's flood in this entire thread! Are you hallucinating? You totally skim over everything I actually tell you, then make all kinds of weird suppositions about things I never even said! What in the world is wrong with you? Open your eyes! I'm responding to everything you have to say...you're just not happy because my responses aren't playing into the outcome you were expecting this conversation to have! Get over it! My feelings weren't hurt over this, yours shouldn't be either...especially to the point of telling flat-out lies about what I did or didn't say!
And every link you've posted to me has either been to an evolutionist website, or Wikipedia. So, your sources aren't exactly the most credible or unbiased, either!
Again, we're not going to reach a common ground here...and that's okay. I don't mind ending this conversation, here and now. But every time you decide you need to run your mouth about me (and what you thought I said), just know that I'll be around to shut it again for you.
Some front line views of the war against God.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Clandestine
My God has been worshiped for thousands of years. The gods that you posed were worshiped for hundreds, many were worshiped for even less. The Egyptians made up new gods every time they needed rain, or fertility in marriages, or a cure for an ailment, or more hair on their head, etc. The followers of these false gods are likened more to a cult, which gradually faded into obscurity, and were never considered an organized religion in the first place.
The same could be said about Greek gods, Anglo-Saxton gods, African gods, Mayan gods, and so forth. The difference between their gods, and my God? Mine is still being worshiped by a large population of the entire world, not just a specific region. And has been for thousands of years, not hundreds. There's your answer, highlighted in bolt for added effect (and to make sure I'm actually getting my point across), though I still don't see you fully understanding what I'm saying. Because it totally contradicts the weak point you were trying to make.
Yup your definitely full of shit.
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Your telling me the ancient Egypt Gods were only worshiped for 100s of years........LOL ... LMFAO.
Gods and Mythology (Religion) of Ancient Egypt - Main Menu
And at the end of the day, the length of time you worship a god does not make a god any more credible. Every argument you make is flawed. These gods were worshiped long before Christianity was invented.
God does not exist.
Some front line views of the war against God.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Clandestine
Dude, I never even once mentioned Noah's flood in this entire thread! Are you hallucinating?
Are You?
look on the page you found this biased info. just below where you quoted.
How accurate are Carbon-14 and other radioactive dating methods? - ChristianAnswers.Net
or did YOU not read it all?
And how are Scientific websites and wiki not credible? Your stupidity precedes you.
God does not exist.
Some front line views of the war against God.
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
Yup your definitely full of shit.
Yup, you're clearly incapable of a coherent argument...especially without resorting to childish remarks!
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
Your telling me the ancient Egypt Gods were only worshiped for 100s of years........LOL ... LMFAO.
LOL........LMFAO.......that's exactly what I'm telling you, smart guy! Every time the Egyptians needed a new god to fulfill a new desire, other - and less consequential - gods fell by the wayside, and eventually faded into obscurity. I've said this three times now, and somehow I still don't think it's going to sink into your shallow skull! Could it be evolution that's causing me to develop these psychic abilities? L....O....L....
Here are a few quotes from a link you were so gracious to share with me:
"We must be careful when examining the ancient Egyptian religion. Though there was a considerable amount of consistency between various areas of Egypt and over the religion's long existence, there were significant variations and over time, changes in the theology."
"That theological discussions and probably discourse took place is almost certain, because the mythology of the religion evolved, becoming more complete, sophisticated and more complex over time." (By the addition of new gods showing up and old gods being forgotten frequently.)
"A number of attempts have been made to explain Egyptian religion in terms of monotheism, and certainly scholars of the nineteenth century, steeped in Christian tradition, tended to find traces of monotheism in Egyptian beliefs. The main evidence they sited was the anonymous "god" who the Egyptians referred to in literary and wisdom texts. Now, however, the anonymous god found in Egyptian texts is understood to represent a way of invoking any divine power emanating from any gods, or sometimes, a specific, assumed god worshiped by an individual or one in a specific region."
"However, several researchers have applied the concept of henotheism to Egyptian religion. This practice focuses on one god addressed in a particular time of worship. Essentially, henotheism is the belief in one god without denying the existence of others. The believer unites all known divine powers in his favorite god."
"Cults were the official structure used to worship the Egyptian gods. In regards to ancient Egypt, this structure included the priests who carried out rituals associated with the gods, who were frequently manifest in the form of statues, within the cult temples."
Sums up just about everything I said about them completely. Thank you for helping to prove my point. And nowhere in that little article did it state that Egyptians worshiped more than just a handful of gods for any extended period of time. In fact, it explains that most of the gods were only worshiped when circumstances dictated that they should be.
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
look on the page you found this biased info. just below where you quoted.
For the second, and last, time...this is not where I got my information. I paraphrased from...oh, forget it. Just see for yourself: http://www.answersingenesis.org/radi...rbondating.pdf
Now that you know where my source originated from, you can take your foot out of your mouth. So, to answer your question...No, I did not read it at all. Because my source came from elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
And how are Scientific websites and wiki not credible?
You're taking what I actually said out of context, again. Big shocker there. I said that evolutionist websites aren't exactly unbiased, and that Wikipedia isn't the most credible source. Read the disclaimer on Wikipedia if you don't believe me, it states something like: "Wikipedia: the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." Meaning, anyone can put blatantly objectionable material on there, and do so with little concern for ambiguous definitions or alternate meanings. You should know this, you quote it all the time...
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Originally Posted by BeforeYourTime
God does not exist.
Does repeating the same old drab sentence reaffirm your belief that you know what you're talking about? Maybe you're the missing link that can prove that humans evolved from stubborn, ignorant, shit-flinging monkeys! Get yourself to a lab quick, so that your primitive brain can be sliced open and scrutinized!
There...now you've done it. You made me swear. I was hoping to be able to keep my implacable calm for the duration of our little pissing contest, but I guess that's just not possible when dealing with imbecilic & pompous assholes. Go grab yourself a banana. That ought to keep you preoccupied for a few hours.
L...M...F...A...O...
Some front line views of the war against God.
what would a combination of evolution and religion be, say if god created us then we evolved from what he created, so therefore both side are correct? :rasta:
good 2 see some intelligent stoners :)
Some front line views of the war against God.
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Originally Posted by 420 FMX
what would a combination of evolution and religion be, say if god created us then we evolved from what he created, so therefore both side are correct? :rasta:
Sympathizers of evolutionist theories and creationist theories can certainly coexist peacefully. While there aren't terribly many compromises, there are definitely empathetic people on both sides who don't want to hurt the feelings of the other...and, hence, will base their arguments around civil topics and then have civil discussions about them.
The person I'm arguing with isn't one of those people. He simply showed up out of left field, told me that I'm stupid for adhering to my beliefs, and is now desperately flailing about trying to discredit me. I'm perfectly capable of having an inquisitive conversation with people who know a lot more about evolutionist theories than I do, and at least remain open-minded to the things they're teaching me...even if I cannot entirely agree with their views. Some people, unfortunately, are not capable of remaining civil while discussing topics such as these...and therefore, boisterous yelling contests can sometimes ensue.
I apologize for this, because it's partially my fault for even responding to his crude post in the first place. I'm trying to negotiate an end to all this pointless bickering...but I feel he'll probably want to get in a last word, especially since I was a little less than civil with my last post!
