Are these signs?

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Originally Posted by weirdo79

Actually mojavpa the transitionals for hominids are not called monkeys so no, we are not evolved from monkeys.

And, you make a valid point for the fish except for some reason you only go one stage back and don't regress farther to point out the amoeba algae connection ;) . Also it doesnt HAVE to be a sea dwelling creature (the transitional for lizard/mammal) it just happens to be. One mutational difference and it might have been completely different. The lungfish is a classic Evolutionists arguement for that particular point.(so many different kinds of them too ;) ).

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Yeah, you're right about the monkeys. My bad. To my knowledge, the oldest anthropods were called Eosimias, and lived about 42 million years ago. Their fossils indicate they lived in trees and resembled monkeys, except they were smaller. Because the family hominids have an anthropoid ancestor, and the oldest primates like Eosimias were like monkeys, I think it is fair to say we evolved from a monkey-like ancestor that eventually diverged to monkeys and hominoids. Thats why I was under the impression we evolved from monkeys.

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

Right. But not only are humans all related... It comes down to this: every single living cell/organism is related if you go far enough back in time. Trees, bees, bacteria, bears, weed, flowers... and us. I think it's beautiful, don't you?

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And we ban our brothers and sisters, of the Cannibus family!

God gave weed life before man.

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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho

going back to the original point: today on the news it was said that there isn't really a great spike in number of storms in the last few years, matter of fact it's gone up very little if at any in 30 or more years (according to what this was saying) but the power of the storms is growing increasingly stronger with huge spikes (think about this, before it's a huricane it's a tropical storm, so more and more of these storms are becoming hurricane strength than they used to, so it seems like there's more becasue tropical storms don't get as much attention)

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Now, we are looking at Phillippe off the Westward Islands. Last year, we were only at Ivan. No one knows how next year will be, yet, but we haven't had a hurricane threat in a few years, in Virginia. In fact, one in five. I know Virginia, as a whole, isn't that susceptible to hurricanes, but the beach is. It does not good so far. Phillippe's probably gonna kick my ass, but now they've turned the track a little closer to the middle of the Atlanic Ocean.

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Originally Posted by Mojavpa

Yes, and that the different kingdoms diverged early on from that single-celled organism, so we definately didnt evolve from, say, plants. Those cells that were able to photosynthesize evolved to become plants and algae, and those that had only mitochondria evolved to become animals.

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Thanks for the Biology lesson!

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

Thanks for the Biology lesson!

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Anytime! :)

Forgive me ermitonto for replying to a post directed at you.

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Originally Posted by Kokujin X

1. Free will is how we sinned in the first place! I feel as if i'm explaining the SAME thing over, and over and over again! Does this make sense?

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It doesn't make much sense, frankly. Thats could be why you are frustrated when saying the same thing over and over, but your answers just aren't very satisfying to the inquisitive mind.

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2. He didn't screw up anything, with our free will we choose to sin, we screwed up. He made us excellent in every way, and we were given a chance to open our eyes to sin, because if we had not the chance we would be robots. Does this not make sense?

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So being robots is worse than eternal damnation? Sorry, but God screwed things up royally for us if he believes being a drone would be worse for us than eternal suffering because we exercised our free-will "gift."

Again, doesn't make sense.

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3. He didn't clearly outline everything we should and should not do. Your sins are between you and God, no one else can decide what you did was wrong.

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Nothing is clear in the bible. Thats why it can be interpreted so many ways, and manipulated so many ways to fit any given person's agenda. What makes me really puzzled is when self-proclaimed God-fearing people are so damn sure I or others are going to burn in Hell without salvation. How can anyone be so sure of anything that that book says? How can God expect us to follow such a book given the contradictions? If God is as prideful as people say, he wouldn't have that book be our guide. I would think God would hope his children would know better than to believe that the fallacious Bible would be his guide given that he is infallible. Does this make sense?

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Look at it in these terms, if i'm wrong, what happens? Nothing. If you're wrong, what happens? You missing the only opprotunity to live for eternity (which is a good thing) simply because you decided to deny God. Its an easy choice if you ask me...

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Ahh, motive for salvation rears its ugly head.

Fear-mongering is a sure-sign of desperation.

you got a lot to go through man i hope you turn your life around.. and yes i think they are very much signs.... all of these NATURAL DISASTERS happend after we made isreal leave there land ... HUMMMM. no god better think twice

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Originally Posted by Melton420

you got a lot to go through man i hope you turn your life around.. and yes i think they are very much signs.... all of these NATURAL DISASTERS happend after we made isreal leave there land ... HUMMMM. no god better think twice

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You've got to be kidding.... There can be no real social progress as long as people like you are still around.

It pleased God to see his own son nailed to a cross. What do you think he has planned for you?

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Originally Posted by Ousted

Forgive me ermitonto for replying to a post directed at you.

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Don't worry about it. I stopped replying to this wacko when I found out he (she?) is a Fundy. Fundamentalism is like the quicksand of ignorance. Once you're stuck in it, it's very very very hard to get yourself out. I've seen some exceptions but they're so few and far between that I don't even bother arguing with them anymore. It's like arguing with a brick wall (but brick walls have a better sense of logic).