Why God does not exist, in one sentence.

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Originally Posted by Candnloveweed420

i love how everyone payed more attention to the first sentence i wrote than to the actual message i was trying to send. i said that because to ME, the world is just too complex and deep to be created by a huge chemical/molecular/whateverthehell reaction. that is what this thread asked right? what I/ME/NOTYOU thought?

so my friend, i believe it is you who is the dumbass.
and if you have something so worthless to say as u did right there, please dont post it all. keep it in ur small/pessismistic/angrybecauseyoucantgetanypussy brain.
thanks!

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sorry to say, but you'll get alot of that in here as i think in here only 1 brain cell works at a time, so they can only pick 1 thing out of what u said.so to believe how they seem too, as to say we all are just a bunch of matter that just so happen to clump together just right, to form what we are today i really can't see any logic in that, as to see how complex we humans are and how complex our brains and well everything in our body, is to say that all just happen by chance, well that does'nt explain anything.

i still don't know why people that did'nt believe in anything after death would live by mans law, now i mean thats the dumbest shit iv'e ever heard lets see when i die thats it nothing to judge my life by so let me be a slave to man so when i die what?? nothing it makes no sence to think like that. i think if i really believed that i would do what ever the hell i wanted and not think twice about it. either that or people just don't have a big enough set of balls, so they have to live by the law as there to scared to do what they really want??? who knows

yo snowblind, my bad for the mean response. im cool if ur disagreeing w me. i just thot i was being called a dumbass.

sorry dude it wasnt an insult. if i was comming across aggresive then that wasn't my intention.

i always let myself get dragged into these debates.

its just ive seen religion and religous rehtoric fuck people up.

i see religon and faith as two seperate entitites these days. very rarely do they habbitat the same space

peace brother

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Originally Posted by snowblind

sorry dude it wasnt an insult. if i was comming across aggresive then that wasn't my intention.

i always let myself get dragged into these debates.

its just ive seen religion and religous rehtoric fuck people up.

i see religon and faith as two seperate entitites these days. very rarely do they habbitat the same space

peace brother

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this is very true

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

i still don't know why people that did'nt believe in anything after death would live by mans law, now i mean thats the dumbest shit iv'e ever heard lets see when i die thats it nothing to judge my life by so let me be a slave to man so when i die what?? nothing it makes no sence to think like that. i think if i really believed that i would do what ever the hell i wanted and not think twice about it. either that or people just don't have a big enough set of balls, so they have to live by the law as there to scared to do what they really want??? who knows

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It's not about having a set of balls, or lack thereof. It's about compassion and caring. I care for my fellow people, and the fact that I don't believe in an afterlife makes me cherish this life very much. I mean, if it's the only shot you have, why would you throw it away? To me, the mindset of not having a "do-over" is the BEST reason to love your fellow man.

I'd rather be remembered as a kind person than someone who decided to go buck-wild on the public because there's nothing for me at the end of the spiritual tunnel. :D

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

It's not about having a set of balls, or lack thereof. It's about compassion and caring. I care for my fellow people, and the fact that I don't believe in an afterlife makes me cherish this life very much. I mean, if it's the only shot you have, why would you throw it away? To me, the mindset of not having a "do-over" is the BEST reason to love your fellow man.

I'd rather be remembered as a kind person than someone who decided to go buck-wild on the public because there's nothing for me at the end of the spiritual tunnel. :D

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But going "buck-wild" will get you on TV :D
And youtube! :jointsmile:

it's not about going buck wild but rather sercuring ur own future i mean if ur a slave all ur life just to die at the end for nothin just to be remembered as "a good person"lol u were still a slave it's like saying he was a damn good slave to this country he did everything we wanted him todo he worked paid taxes and made us rich lmao do u think any of those guys u give all ur money to cares if u were a good person lol no the only one that does is god and one day all will bow to him enough said

so did our for fathers go buck wild?? naw i think they saw it the way i do the system was'nt working they were slaves and they did what they had to do to secure a better life than what they had buck wild no not laying down and giving all there money and time to someone else yea

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

But going "buck-wild" will get you on TV :D
And youtube! :jointsmile:

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Hmmm, I seemed to overlook this aspect. Instead of getting respect from the ones that I love, I should live my life so that a million adolescents laugh their asses off :p

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

it's not about going buck wild but rather sercuring ur own future i mean if ur a slave all ur life just to die at the end for nothin just to be remembered as "a good person"lol u were still a slave it's like saying he was a damn good slave to this country he did everything we wanted him todo he worked paid taxes and made us rich lmao do u think any of those guys u give all ur money to cares if u were a good person lol no the only one that does is god and one day all will bow to him enough said

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Am I living for them? I'm living for my friends and family, and the interactions that I have with them. I don't know how you associate "disbelief in god, make the most of this life" with "slave to the government". Can you show me how you equate the two ideas?

And the buckwild statement was addressing you saying that if you believed there was no god you would do "what ever the hell i wanted and not think twice about it".

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Originally Posted by Candnloveweed420

ya i am aware of the whole thing with pope john paul thing, but what he did was "recognize" the Big Bang as a possibility.

oh, and anyways, call it a "Big Bang" or whatever you like, but I meant "Big Bang" as the creation of the world by a chemical reaction, and not by a higher power. i mean i guess you can call God's creation of the world as a Big Bang, but i meant the Big Bang to mean no God.

But ya, i get u

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Not to be a stickler, but it wasnt a chemical reaction that caused the Big Bang lol. It was a quantum gravitational reaction. It is what caused chemical reactions to take place.

And... see... this is what I absolutely hate about Catholicism and all Christian religions... You have such a narrow-minded view on what God is. You believe what you are taught by the people who believed what THEY were taught. Blind, unquestioning faith, sure its a nice thing but... *sigh* its so impractical. You have the idea that God is a monotheistic sentient being. Perfect in every way, yet according to doctrine and scripture he displays traits of vengance and jealousy. Not only are those imperfect human traits, but they are very negative ones to possess. Any perfect being would not flood the world because people didnt believe in him. Thats bullshit.

Im not trying to use these examples to dissuade you from believing in God. Im trying to use them to encourage you to ask what "God" really is. Dont just accept what your priest, parents, and congregation are all telling you.. they are just repeating the same shit they were brainwashed into believing because its easier that way. Religion is just another societal structure aimed at controlling the people. Sure its way more positive in the short run than say, Communism. But when you take into account the fact that Religion has been hampering science and the progress of our species for thousands of years, then things begin to change.

"God" can be something different than the Christian view of an all-powerful sentient being that judges us all, and controls our destiny, past and future, without changing the essence behind it all. The idea that we cannot understand the infinite wisdom of God is thousands of years old, and extremely detrimental to our future. The civilizations thousands of years ago could not understand it because they had no fucking clue what the fuck was going on. Any new scientifical data that went against their teachings was considered blasphemous, and people were hanged for it. Then, when it was proven years later beyond a doubt, they tried to backpedal. TRY to understand... dont just dismiss it as impossible.. actually give it a fucking shot, search for yourself instead of just being a slave to the profits of the higher echelons of religion.

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Originally Posted by GraziLovesMary

My friend, as an ex-Catholic (born and raised.. :( ) I am compelled to tell you that Pope John Paul II acknowledged the Big Bang theory as being in agreement with the Catholic Church. He said it was the instance of creation. So I guess if you dont believe in the Big Bang you arent a very good Catholic.

And I also feel compelled to mention that "I dont understand it.. its too complicated, therefor God exists!" Is the most embarrassing argument for your cause.

Somebody, I forget who, on these boards had an awesome quote in his signature:

"I dont like religion because it teaches us to be OK with not understanding the universe."

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HAHAHAhahaha Palerider7777 gave me negative rep for this post with the message of "?" I guess he didnt like it because he didnt understand the "complexities" of what I said hahahah the funny part? My rep only went down from 2256 to 2254 hahahahaha.

Sorry, religious troll, but you are going to have to try alot harder than that.

god is flawed,he is not all fogiving as he cast lucifer (the devil) out of heaven. yet lucifer was of his creation, therefore he created imperfection. if humans are his second attempt, then surley he would have tried harder and not given us the opertunity to join him adn aid to his army. essentially then he has decided to build an army and aint that fussed if we join the other side

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Originally Posted by snowblind

god is flawed,he is not all fogiving as he cast lucifer (the devil) out of heaven. yet lucifer was of his creation, therefore he created imperfection. if humans are his second attempt, then surley he would have tried harder and not given us the opertunity to join him adn aid to his army. essentially then he has decided to build an army and aint that fussed if we join the other side

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Oooh ooh dont forget about that fact that hes jealous (thou shalt not have other Gods before me), and vengeful (raining down fire and brimstone?? wtf is that shit? lmao)

Ill say it again, I dont say this to disprove the idea of some power that is higher than us, one that we dont yet understand. But FUCK it SHOULD be enough to disprove the silly Christian idea of some all-powerful sentient being sitting in the clouds making people out of play doh lmao.

But apparantly for some that connection is blasphemous and there is no such thing as "gray area."

God has hate too. Doesn't make him evil. God is a man and is like you. Actually, you're like him. He made you in his image.
You were not made in the image of a monkey. :wtf:

If you saw me make out with a girl you had a crush on, wouldn't that make you jealous? Would that mean you're evil? It's just a human feeling. God is a man. God can hate and be jealous. Vengeance belongs to him. The Lord is a righteous judge. :jointsmile:

Ok, now it's my turn. 10 days ago this thread got heated up and our esteemed modfather Psycho4Bud put it best with a little reminder.

http://boards.cannabis.com/spiritual...3-respect.html

Now I see some offensive posts and I am going to go through them in a minute and possibly delete some. If the personal attacks continue, then infractions and bannings will be handed out. Let's dial it back a notch and argue the thread Why Does does not exist and not attack the person who wrote the opinion.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

God has hate too. Doesn't make him evil. God is a man and is like you. Actually, you're like him. He made you in his image.
You were not made in the image of a monkey. :wtf:

If you saw me make out with a girl you had a crush on, wouldn't that make you jealous? Would that mean you're evil? It's just a human feeling. God is a man. God can hate and be jealous. Vengeance belongs to him. The Lord is a righteous judge. :jointsmile:

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Im not sure if you are joking or not... but hate and jealousy are both human imperfections that, according to scripture, we are supposed to avoid. How can God be perfect and a flawed man at the same time?? It makes no sense to me. Human feelings such as jealousy are supposedly imperfect, and God is supposed to be immune to imperfection. Everything you are saying makes no sense, unless you are trying to tell me that God is not perfect. If he is not perfect then he is not God, for that statement is oxymoronic. It contradicts itself. By definition, God is supposed to be perfect. Thats what makes him "God."

He is not a flawed man. That is only your accusation of him. He's perfect through my eyez. :jointsmile:

How can one avoid hate or jealousy? That's like saying you could avoid the love that you have in your heart for someone.
Or that you could avoid having hate in your heart towards someone that killed one of your loved ones.
You can't avoid a human feeling. It's a feeling that comes to your heart when something happens. Having human emotions doesn't mean you're a sinner. Now what you do with those emotions is a different story. But I know, his judgments are true and righteous. :pimp:

You don't need to believe me cause you will see him with your own eyez. :hippy:

in my opininion: blindly assuring God's existence is as unrational as assuring God's inexistence.

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Originally Posted by GraziLovesMary

HAHAHAhahaha Palerider7777 gave me negative rep for this post with the message of "?" I guess he didnt like it because he didnt understand the "complexities" of what I said hahahah the funny part? My rep only went down from 2256 to 2254 hahahahaha.

Sorry, religious troll, but you are going to have to try alot harder than that.

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I got one too, with the quotation "u are lame" and I also went down two point. I gave him a neg rep so he can no longer neg rep people without first acquiring some positive rep. Good luck to him :)

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

How can one avoid hate or jealousy? That's like saying you could avoid the love that you have in your heart for someone.
Or that you could avoid having hate in your heart towards someone that killed one of your loved ones.
You can't avoid a human feeling. It's a feeling that comes to your heart when something happens. Having human emotions doesn't mean you're a sinner.

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If God has these emotions, such as hate, wouldn't the commandment "love the neighbour" be hypocritical? The commandment is to love everyone, not to love almost everyone and hate those that do bad to you or others.

It'd be like your parents telling you not to smoke while puffing on a menthol.

We can't avoid negative human emotions, because we aren't perfect. I personally am a very non-jealous person. I've had a relationship ended on me because I wasn't jealous enough. If I can do it, I'd expect God to be able to.

God has feelings in his heart but no sin. We have the same feelings but we sin. That's the difference.
We are not perfect because of sin, not because of emotions. We had emotions prior to sinning. :pimp:

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

God has feelings in his heart but no sin. We have the same feelings but we sin. That's the difference.
We are not perfect because of sin, not because of emotions. We had emotions prior to sinning. :pimp:

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How can God have no sin when he murders people, and commands the murder of people?

When someone is executed by death penalty, do you feel the government is committing a sin for their judgment towards the evil doer?
Do you feel they are sinning when they sentence an evil doer to life in prison? There is only ONE judge, his judgments are right and true.

Well.... good thing to know there are so many all-knowing experts on the subject. I think this topic has gotten ridiculous enough for me.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

When someone is executed by death penalty, do you feel the government is committing a sin for their judgment towards the evil doer?
Do you feel they are sinning when they sentence an evil doer to life in prison? There is only ONE judge, his judgments are right and true.

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Well, I don't believe in "sin", I do believe some acts are immoral.

I also don't agree with the death penalty, as the death penalty is murder. I do agree with life in prison (isolation if need be) to prevent the murderer from murdering again.

I think we've been down this road before. My mindset is, if someone is willing to give out a punishment without giving the reason for the punishment, the punishment is unjust. From what I've read, God punishes immoral acts, but in many cases does not define the reason for the immorality.

I hope you can see why myself, and many others, cannot put faith into the bible. I disagree with many of the messages, and there are no ways to reconcile these disagreements. If someone were to make demands upon me the way that the Bible does (ie goverment) I'd question their motives. Why should I make an exception for the Bible? It doesn't make sense to.

Always fun talking to you :)

The beauty of it, is that everyone is entitled to believe in what we want, and by our words we will either be justified or condemned. :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

The beauty of it, is that everyone is entitled to believe in what we want, and by our words we will either be justified or condemned. :jointsmile:

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we're entitled to believe what we want, but you say things like that that makes it seem like we (non believers) will be judged by the god you believe in for not believing....

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Originally Posted by GraziLovesMary

Well.... good thing to know there are so many all-knowing experts on the subject. I think this topic has gotten ridiculous enough for me.

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Yes there are. And you are one of them! :stoned:

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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho

....things like that that makes it seem like we (non believers) will be judged by the god you believe in for not believing....

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This is the stumbling block for me as well when I choose to enter or recuse myself from arguments of this sort. It's where the debate goes from 'let's discuss' to 'believe what you want but you are wrong, wait until God gets to tell you so Himself!'

Keep in mind that we are delivering a message that we believe to be true. :jointsmile:

"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life."

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

Yes there are. And you are one of them! :stoned:

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I readily admit that I know nothing. I can only surmise and make educated guesses, which is why I get confused when some people intimately know beyond a doubt what is in their "God"s heart.

It's not about how much someone knows, it's about his word being true. :jointsmile:

"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

It's not about how much someone knows, it's about his word being true. :jointsmile:

"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."

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I see... *sigh* well... thank you very much for putting that into perspective for me :wtf:

Bible quotations are nice and cute, but it is one of the biggest reasons why religious debates tire me. People put their entire faith in this book which they claim was divinely inspired. Whether or not it was... its still a very stale argument. I get sick of speaking with people using logistics and empirical data, and their responses are unoriginal sentences from a coveted book that is really quite open to many different interpretations. I am 22 and have been having intense theological discussions for over 15 years. I have heard and read everything the bible has to offer, in many different versions. I have also heard countless thousands of different interpretations on the same quotes.

I am happy for you that you have been turned onto what you believe to be true. I wish you peace and prosperity and whatever else you may seek.

Wow, you were an intense dude at 7 :wtf:
You are over qualified for this thread. So if these types of debates sicken you, make a better attempt at avoiding them. :asskick:

God does exist!

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

Wow, you were an intense dude at 7 :wtf:
You are over qualified for this thread. So if these types of debates sicken you, make a better attempt at avoiding them. :asskick:

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lol i highly doubt this

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

Well, I don't believe in "sin", I do believe some acts are immoral.

I also don't agree with the death penalty, as the death penalty is murder. I do agree with life in prison (isolation if need be) to prevent the murderer from murdering again.

I think we've been down this road before. My mindset is, if someone is willing to give out a punishment without giving the reason for the punishment, the punishment is unjust. From what I've read, God punishes immoral acts, but in many cases does not define the reason for the immorality.

I hope you can see why myself, and many others, cannot put faith into the bible. I disagree with many of the messages, and there are no ways to reconcile these disagreements. If someone were to make demands upon me the way that the Bible does (ie goverment) I'd question their motives. Why should I make an exception for the Bible? It doesn't make sense to.

Always fun talking to you :)

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i think if sum of these guys that are on death row did sum of the things that they have done to someone real close to u i think u might see it a lil diffrent

[1] To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
[2] A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
[3] A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
[4] A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
[5] A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
[6] A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
[7] A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
[8] A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace."

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

i think if sum of these guys that are on death row did sum of the things that they have done to someone real close to u i think u might see it a lil diffrent

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Perhaps, but I highly doubt it. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

Wow, you were an intense dude at 7 :wtf:
You are over qualified for this thread. So if these types of debates sicken you, make a better attempt at avoiding them. :asskick:

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Ive been intense my whole life, I cant really help it. But you are right. I shall avoid this thread. Cheerio.