i cant even make a legitimate comment on that post from Rhiz, just mind boggling.
i'll rip 2 or 3 more and read it again before bed:cool:
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i cant even make a legitimate comment on that post from Rhiz, just mind boggling.
i'll rip 2 or 3 more and read it again before bed:cool:
Got some big, tall ones there Rock!! This ASH of ours is an EXTREMELY light feeder so I'm not surprised if you went over with it.....these and other similar experiments are what we are all about these days so all input welcome! :thumbsup:
Anybody who understood what Rhizome said please raise your hand. I personally got about 1/3 but I've learned that if I go off and study stuff (which I will since he suggested somewhere to look) and then come back within a month or two it usually becomes quite clear. :D ;)
Hey WH Threads going good!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:
WOW you are always playing the Conspiracy Theory Guy.... Why is that? Earb is a annual but what are you going to weight out w/ studies on other annualls? What similarities are there between begonias, impatiens, snapdragons,calendula, cornflower, foxglove, larkspur, pansy, sweet alyssum, stocks, viola and many many others to Marijunana.... Were they wet annuals or dried out during testing @ TA&M and others you stated...? The feed schedule will have many diffrent variables on the flowers that can not be compaired to by what ever studies there may be out there.. The only annual studies that will show Marijuana tendencys IMO would be Marijuana becuase of the way it is cured out and smoked.....Quote:
Originally Posted by rhizome
Keep That IDEA going Opie:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
Quote:
Originally Posted by MVP
I have that light it is Amazing!!!! I can not believe how close the nodes grow together in Veg absolutely Amazing!!! Worth every penny... I can keep 30+ clones or 15 small to med plants...
Umm...Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLeaf420
Let's posit that dry weight is a percentage of wet weight. Can we agree on that?
Basic algebra will show that an increase in wet weight will therefore increase dry weight.
Nothing special about cannabis as a cultivar- it's just another annual.
So Rhizome you are saying that mj bud is more like a "flowering" plant then a plant "bearing fruit?" Interesting.........HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM :cool:
With that in mind......do both kinds of plants use carbs (like Sweet or something) approximately the same rate? In other words.....would you give your apple tree the same amount of Sweet to bloom with as your prize roses?
Wow!!!!
OK prove your theory... How are all annuals alike when it comes to Dried out Dank Weed?
When you read your studies from Colleges is Cannabis mentioned... Just wondering if they took it into consideration during their study.. Do all annuals react and accept the same feeding schedule? I can answer that NO you see it in different strains the ability to eat and not eat. There are so many variables to many to list but you really have your heart set on the Schools have already done the work...
SO prove It!!!
Considering maybe the studies can be correct and the same can occur w/ cannabis. I would still rather see the studies performed w/ the actual plants to see the true Effects... Then to compare a plant in the same species it is to vague of a Conclusion...
Cat's and Lions are in the same family as your home pets... There are some similarities between the two but if they want to know about African Lions do they do a study on house held Cats?
There maybe similarities but until you study that of choice there are to many variables to come up w/ a complete and accurate Conclusion... To what ever hypothesis you may have.
Buddy, I'm not going to get into this here- cause I don't want mess up Weedy's house.
But I'll tell you what- we can have a debate thread, in which I will present my arguments that
a.) Cannabis is an annual flowering plant, and has many more characteristics common to the class than characteristics uncommon.
b.) Decades of research involving million dollar budgets has been done across a wide range of annual flowering plants, which have more characteristics common to the class than characteristics uncommon.
c.) There is no need to re-invent the wheel. Wheels come in many differant flavors, but they continue have more characteristics common to the class than characteristics uncommon.
I look forward to your argument that cannabis has no metabolic similarities to other annual flowering plants.
Right after I finish admiring the oil glands on the surface of this lavender. Lovely, really...
GL, dude u r way to hung up on having a Cannabis trial in published reports. Forget it, not happenin, so, stop being silly.
facts are as pointed out. this is an annual. these are not fruits we're harvestin, its flowers.
flowers also get harvested, dried and sold for a pretty penny as professional dried flower arrangements.
i believe you can see how the theory now may coincide with the wondrous nobel herb.
just as some exotic hybrid oriental flowers would be intentionally grown only to harvest and dry, with the most desirable of outcomes planned for.
Conversely, you can apply those same priciples of horticulture to that of the nobel herb. Why you will ask? simple. We too are attempting to growth the healthiest, fattest, most structurally dense-yet airy, flowers, SO WE CAN DRY THEM, then enjoy as such.
Rhizome, not that he needs defending, has always provided, top shelf, college Master/Professor level info, in the world of horticulture and more specifically, this particular plant we are all a fan of.
Don't be so outwardly challenging, we dont have anything to prove here, we're here to help one another. now blaze up, sit back, n relax dude.
Actually loads of em- referred to as hemp. Flower weight, alas, is not measured- just seed weight. In an open pollination scenario, there's gonna be an essentially fixed ratio of seed to flower weight, but no perfect mirror. Ya gotta think about it a little.
Also a food and fiber crop- loads of data, but getting it as tall as possible and then ripping and threshing before the flowers too sticky to mechanically process is maybe not our goal. :wtf:
Corn Lettuce and Watermelon just to name a few are all annuals and they are a fruit or Veg not a flower!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Rock I'm not questioning rhizome Rep on the site... I just would like to see were all annuals carry the same traits. I would rather see such independent study as Opie's rather then reading someone's thesis... That's all..
One good ole adage I like to remember is "Choose your battles wisely"......:joint1:
whiskeytango
Albeit an interesting <possible> topic, I see no need to pollute the Hound's thread or CannCom with such a debate. :wtf3:
We all respect differing opinions but really Rock hit it on the head when he said this is silly. Not bashing anyone, just providing my opinion.
Now pass this GDP fatty to the right... :joint1:
Well I'm "soil newbie" enough to make use of the generalized info about annuals and I can see the correlation in regards to the cut-flower trade.....you want to grow the biggest and best in the shortest time possible etc and certain principles will remain the same as far as things go (ie: dogs eat dog food vs cat food) and then tweak things individually for each strain and conditions.
But since GL mentioned it......ummm yeah, if someones knows the ideal nutes schedule for blooming ganja in soil please feel FREE to POST IT AS WELL!!
:D
:D
...mosies into rotation on that GDP J.....
wouldn't the "IDEAL" nute levels differ by strain? I already can see there is a HUGE amount of difference between the nute "hunger" of the Church compared to the Blue Russian... (which is doing GREAT by the way:greenthumb:)
I guess you can only get as far as "BR like full dosage FF nutes while in FFoF soil, no perlite added.." whereas the "Church like half dose FF nutes every other watering, in FFoF soil"
just MHO...although this seems like a kinda weird topic to take up so much space, MHO again....
I took horticulture in high school, and If I had never grown herb before, and you told me its an annual, I would have the magic light bulb over my head, and probably be able to grow out a crop without grabbing the grow bible. MJ is an Annual Flower...simple. Step "outside the box" and its pretty easy. I forget to do this myself quite often....
I have no idea what my point is....thats some great GDP MVP:rastasmoke:
:joint1:
whiskeytango
WH Great Thread:thumbsup: Apologize for using up space on OT.
That GDP hit me nice I just blazed Up.:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:
Hey SNS I also noticed that Church is very temperamental to Nutes... You have to play it close to the cuff w/ that strain. I have gone to 1200 but had to come down to 950. I will be trying to bringing it back up today.
Well good Talk http://boards.cannabis.com/../custom...tar61305_1.gif rhizome I would like to pop into the thread on the annuals.
GL1
Every one likes that GDP! I remember I bought some from someone awhile back (before I started growing) and it made me fairly slack-jawed. I remember being impressed by the size of the bud too. ;)
GDP is a Top 5 for me at the moment. I am trying to revive some cuts and keep the strain alive in my room. A couple of oversights may have her going extinct (temporarily, she is clone only stock) if I cannot nurse her cuts back to life...
So Mr and Hound and I went to the hydro store today and discussed fertilizing soil plants.
He felt that keeping ppms at about 800 for blooming plants was a good number and that going with lower fert numbers more often was his preferred way of growing AND he mentioned that at the lower numbers you could water try watering with ferts EVERY watering......keeping an eye out for overnute and ph issues etc....
So that's the plan at this point......;)
That is nice to here I feel rather then blowing them out lower is better also less headaches for a little less weight... What is his opinion later in bloom any boost or just every watering @9oo
Good stuff Sis.
A lil more feedback on our feeding questions . :thumbsup:
I like Opie's idea best though , controlled experiments . :thumbsup:
Been taste testing the new goodies a lil.
White Widow and White Rhino are quite similar .
I think the W/W is a heavier stone like you said though .
I like the sweeter flavor of the W/R .
Dutch Dragon is delicious too - heavy stone but not real couchlok , and good body buzz . I'm gettin 10 more .
Whiteberry - Turpentine stench . You wern't lying . Good buzz but not what I'm after .
Power Plant - clearheaded high , almost no body buzz at all , not real impressed esp. after all the positive I've read on the strain :(
Menage a Trois - havent sampled much yet .
The bagseed Indica seeds my friend brought back from New Orleans of all places is mind boggling . A skunk humpin a pine tree , just reeks . Couldn't carry a thought in a bucket , and killer body buzz . Fuckin figures - no idea at all wtf the stuff really is .
We're gonna make more seeds this next grow to preserve it and keep a mom for cuttings . I see huge hydro trees of this stuff in the future maybe ?
None of the stuffs cured yet , Some strains I only had 1 plant of - good pheno / bad pheno ?? , My tolerence is fucking huge so my findings / smoke report / high morning ramblings might not mean a whole lot ?
Lotsa lotsa goodies comin your way soon too .
Holler later Sis.
Crispi :stoned:
ah....I love a morning wake and bake bio-assay crispi....I can't WAIT to taste my variety o flavors.....did either of you find the SNLxNH to be finicky? It seems to be the one strain that didn't get over that yellowing issue all the way...getting quite annoyed, lol. sorry for the jack WH, but this is un-nerving...the kush trio looks great though:thumbsup:
tate fang yet?
whiskeytango
I asked him about this specifically......whether to increase ppms in solution later in flowering and he said that he keeps his at about that number all the way through.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLeaf420
There is some sort of "dosing" thing or machine you can buy for fertilizing your soil plants. They mentioned to me that this "doser" only goes up to 800ppm.
I was also told that using higher ppm numbers (1500 every third watering etc....) is perfectly acceptable......dosing a high number once and then diluting it down with regular waterings for a few waterings would work fine.....he just felt that the other way seemed to work better to him and was less hard on the plant. I really don't think he felt yield would be affected with less ppms done in more waterings......but DID seem to think it was less stressful for the plants generally which I like.
One last tidbit.....they said that perhaps reg water every fourth watering or so should help keep overfert at bay.......but to watch carefully for overnuting at any rate. (And of course ph everything that goes into the pot. ;))
Stealth where are these plants at as far as how old, what size pot. etc.....??Quote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
Crispi......you like the Knockout ones!! Theyre just too slack-jawing for me. :stoned:
That whiteberry DOES smell like turpentine STRONG!! :eek:
A skunk humping a pine tree.......a visual treat as WELL AS a scent fest!! :D :D
WH What Type of Fert are you using is it GH 3 Part by any chance?
If so what type of mix are you following to get to the 900PPm's?
Thanks :thumbsup:GL1
GL I'm using the Botanicare nutes.......and taking the ferts from my old hydro solution and changing the ph.....if you want the recipe I can detail it here but I'm basically using the 800ppm nutes from the Strawberry Haze plant and watering them with that at corrected ph.
Are there any drawbacks from recycling your hydro nutes to the soil plants? I hope I understand what is going on here...
No I asked that specifically as well MVP.....but do keep in mind that we use two products for root health.....Rhizotonic and Cannazym. That's why I feel pretty comfortable that we're not going to be putting anything bad (read: GERMS!! :eek:)
into the soil when we use the hydro nutes and my hydro guy agreed. ;)
And just as an add on I also asked whether it was better to use RO water and CalMAg when nuting soil plants or regular water and grow and/or bloom nutes.
The consensus was that RO water and CalMAg was probably a bit better......more controlled anyway......but reg tap water is fine for watering "just water" and for flushing etc......ph correct of course.
Well Mr Hound and I are seeing some differences since pumping up the nute schedule (carefully!!)
Pic one: Brainstorm, Master Kush taken 7/13/08 ppms 1300 (day 6 bloom)
Two: Same plants, taken 7/20/08 pppms 1480
Three: Same again taken today...7/23/08 ppms 1600 (day 18 bloom)
(and may I add that that is where they have topped out......FOR NOW....bwahhahahahahha :eek:.....but I expect to be able to raise the number again when they are further along depending on how they do)
Pic Four: Cotton candy taken on 7/13/08 ppms 1300 (day 28 bloom)
Pic 5: CC taken today, 7/23/08. ppms 1590 (day 38 bloom)
That Cotton Candy is LOVING IT
Wow looking Good Girl:thumbsup:
WH W/ all those they are in Hydro in the PICS?
The Strawberry is in Soil? So w/ the Botanicare if you don't mind what will be your nute schedule for the Soils?
Feeding W/ Botanicare Can not be Much Different then GH 3 part... Just curious to see the Break Down...
I'm having major issues w/ the CHURCH and NUTES.. Evertime I hit them w/ more then 900 I get a burn It is driving me Nuts on the NUTES.. LOL :jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:
Thanks GL1
Actually Gl the ASH is also in hydro......but is so sativa dominant that 850 is about the top of the line for her....she's at day 48 (I think.....)bloom in this pic.
For the ASH we're feeding:
RO water:
Rhizotonic 5ml/gallon
Cannazym 5ml/gallon
CalMag 250 pppm
Hydroplex 200 ppm
Pro Bloom 200 ppm
Liquid Karma: 2ml/gallon
Sweet: 5 ml gallon
which comes up somewhere between 800-850 ppms. We like to do a fair amount of res change outs so it seems we always have extra of this gal's old nutes around...... then we will just adjust ph to 6.5-6.7 range to water the soil girls with.
I'm sort of licking my chops here, First pic is Gorgeous!
And I forgot what else I was gonna say...I forgetz...
I would approach this very cautiously. When the hydro nutes are 'used' (=requiring a res change or drain), the stuff the plants have been needing most is gone out of them, or greatly diminished, and the relative concentration of undesirable components is higher. Furthermore, the pH is not going to be correct for your soil plants.Quote:
Originally Posted by MVP
I'd dump them on the compost heap to add to the overall richness of the gunk you can let rot and use on the veggie patch next year.
That may be a good point. I do change outs every two or three days so im pretty sure there's enough left of the "good stuff" to do the job for my soil plants BUT....if I let my plants sit in the same solution for a week or so I probably would NOT use as a fert for soil stuff for the very reason Stinky named......ratios WILL be off.
I also feel confident about pouring used nutes in my soil because I use several "root products" that keep bad germs and juju at bay. ;)
Re-cyclables go in the compost. From there you can use it for veggies, flowers or a soil grow.
But my hydro man told me to........:(..........
HE SAID IT HE SAID I COULD! :D
Not gonna do a thing for ya if the juju is in the form of chemical salts. Matter can be neither created nor destroyed, only transformed... chemicals you've got in there will stay in there unless you flush them out... bacteria can change the form of chemicals in some cases, but not remove the elemental substances from teh soil. That's the problem. Unused micronutes-metals especially- are the fast track to soured soil and really fucking WEIRD looking toxicity symptoms. Just don't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Your hydro guy seems to be hydro-oriented... take it from a drrty girl; use fresh nute solution on your soil ladies.