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I was wondering if anyone had ever experimented making your green dragon with hash as opposed to dank. In addition, do you think it would be possible to add flavor extracts (mint, cherry, lemon, cinnamon, etc) to the tincture? They consist of almost pure alcohol, so would be absorbed and used in the process (at least i think they would; my chemistry knowledge is limited, but I know the basics). Thanks for any help!
Hash would work just fine and some people do use flavor extracts for their tinctures. I used the master Wu method and added some Amaretto to it and it tasted wonderful. I used some lemon extract once and it was son strong I had to dilute the tincture, but it was really no big deal.
Put 2 grams of hash in an oz of lemon extract, wait a month, then use the lemon extract to flavor a cup of tea.
A word of advice, try not to use pure extracts... they are.. impossible to drink, even if you have a little bit in a whole drink... its still so godamn strong and the smell never goes away from whatever your drinking it from. i used pure lemon extract my first time making GD, i had it in a little thermos with tea, and its like your trying to drink gasoline. And i had to throw that thermos out, because it smelled like lemon and weed no matter how much i washed it. So yeah, pure extracts... not a good idea.. mabye put like a drop or two in your GD if you want flavour, but the pure stuff kills.
I made it the second time yesterday with 80 proof rum, i kept it at about 160-175 for a pretty long time, and i heated it a couple seperate times, i had it in a little container and i was shaking it the entire day while keeping it in a cup of boiled water, constantly heating up the water and putting it back in. I took little sips throughout yesterday, and im pretty sure i felt baked. Finally, today i reduced it by half by boiling some alcohol off, then i cooled it down, put it in a glass of fresca with an ice cube, 20 mins later i was fuccked. I can still feel the effects a bit... definetly gona make this again..
I attempted to make Green Dragon for the first time on Sunday morning, and had everything perfect except for the oven....I cooked at my friend's apartment, and I think his oven was a bit too strong (we could smell the weed at the 45-second mark rather than the 4th-5th minute mark like in the original post. I didn't remember that, though, so we let it sit in there for 4 full minutes. I think this may have vaporized some of the THC. Oh well, next time I'll have an oven thermometer. I had also not read any of the other replies in this thread, so we used Bacardi 151 instead of Everclear; Master Wu, I think I saw a post of yours in here saying that you used something like 3-4 ounces of Everclear and ended up with 1.5 oz of the same-potency GD? I'd like to try it once this bottle of 151 runs out.
Anyway, after slightly overcooking the weed, I put it in with the 151 and simmered it at 170F for 20 minutes, occasionally dropping ice cubes in the water bath to keep the stubborn stovetop from overheating my mixture. I took 1mL and definitely felt high, but I knew it wasn't the awesome strength it could have been. I still have three eighths of dank left, and I'm going to try again this weekend; in the meantime, our recipe yielded exactly 30mL of liquid, I took 2mL at 8AM today and definitely felt stronger effects. Tomorrow I'm going to wake-and-drink 3 or 4mL and really go to town.
In summary, my GD works, but it could be better. Practice makes perfect. And I'm buying an oven thermometer.
I bought an eight of an ounce recently, and have 190 proof Everclear, and want to use it to make some green dragon but am still not clear on how much weed and alcohol I need to use. For the full eighth of bud, how much booze should I be using? Can I (should I?) use a full 750ml bottle? 375ml? Or just a few ounces?
Also, at the end of the month (I don't plan on cooking it. I have the time to just let it steep), just how should I take it? With a dropper, or one to two ounces mixed in a cocktail?
The Definitive Green Dragon (Revised)
Here is the very successful result of a considerable amount of research into the elusive and magical Green Dragon.
This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.
Ingredients:
1/8oz high quality cannabis
2 oz Bacardi Rum â?? 151 proof or Everclear 190
If you are using high end weed, start with 1/2 teaspoon (on an empty stomach)for a strong, but in control experience. Double or triple that for spiritual dose.
I mix mine with coffee for a wake and bake, or just a little with some juice in a shot glass and just throw it down. 190 is not very flavorful. At least not in a good way.
I strain out the weed, then throw it in a small cup of yogurt ( the weed) and choke it down. It taste awful, but is soaked in green dragon and is worth the effort in my opinion.
Great thread. I have about went blind from trying to read all of it. I am trying to make food grade glycerine tincture using some already vaped super high quality duff. I think it still has plenty of trichs left. At any rate I have a pint jar half full of the stuff coverd with glycerine. Got it resting in a real warm spot and plan to shake it every day and wait two months. Now with the carboxylation step missing in this procedure (thanks for that lesson) I was thinking of giving the jar a 10 min water bath canning prodecedure with a closed lid as in making jelly. Anybody know if that would be a good plan? Maybe shorten up the wait a bit? If if managed to vaporize off something it couldnt go to far since the jar would have a lid on it. Let me know quick cause I'm fixing to try it.
Goober
Well hate to answer my own posts but with nobody jumping up to halt my experiment I went ahead with the canning procedure for my Glycerine Tincture. Gave it a 10 min boiling water bath and let it cool all night. Musta knocked something beneficial loose in it cause I put about 1/4 teaspoon under my tongue about an hour ago and I am completely hammered. :D Thanks for all the good tips. I think I love the stuff. Next step be to try some as the vaping liquid in my e cig cartomizer. Have high hopes on that one too. Havent have a real cig in over month and been doing it regular for many moons. Anybody out there want to give up or cut back on smoking tobacco couldnt recommend the e cig much higher.
Goober
Master Wu, I guess I can use Everclear 190 proof instead of the rum when I try your recipe? I hope all goes well. Thank you for the post as it has been very informative!
I've always heard that alcohol companies(along with tobacco,pharmaceutical and many other companies) fund cannabis prohibition efforts? Does anyone know what specific alcohol companies do this so I can avoid them when I make my high proof liquor purchase? :thumbsup:
Firstly thankyou for all the help everyone. I have made 2 batches and both worked well. Unfortunetly I couldnt get hold of really high % alcohol so had to settle for the high 40s but It worked nonetheless.
My main idea I would like to put forward is the possibility of fermenting with cannabis. This would be a slow process but I think could yeild amazing results. Here is my proposed method:
- Finely grind Cannabis
- Bake as per usual
- Put into solution of sugar (or any starch/glucose substance in proper ratios for fermenting)
- Invert sugar (heat up the sugar solution or whatever you are using in solution)
- Put into your fermenting chamber (bottles or carboys or whatever you want to use as long as its air tight)
- Add nutrients and yeast
- Seal and leave untill fermented (generally when the bubbling stops)
- From this step I would advise straining
- From here you could either drink as it is or distill it to produce a high conc. solution however this would leave behind the THC in the water sol'n
Im not sure what would happen with distilling. Possibly a tasty nonalcoholic THC rich drink could be made. With drinking it straight I think this would be more successful as one could have an alcoholic drink with THC entirely made by yourself. In the fermenting process because of the heat and chemical movements I think the complex THC may find it easier to bond hence making it a simpler process. I am looking forward to trying this but first wondered if anyone had any ideas relating.
Happy Green Dragon to all.
Howdy, I've tried to make a tincture with Bacardi 151 and decent plant.
However, I made a mistake of mixing the contents of the dropper bottle (black walnut with 45% alcohol) I had into my Bacardi 151 bottle...Turning the golden drink BLACK.
Would this liquid still work for extraction or did I just pretty much ruin the whole thing?
alcohol is alcohol, you'll just have an interesting walnut taste mixed in with your tincture. Don't throw it away until you have tried it.
Thanks for the work!!Love it.:hippy:
I'd really like to try this, but I really want to make sure I can do this right as to not waste an 1/8 of dank.
1. I have a Mendo Mulcher grinder. This grinds bud finer than your average grinder. Can I use this instead of a coffee ground grinder or will the Mendo still not grind it fine enough?
2. I have 190 proof Everclear. Should I use more than 2oz to begin with since it will evaporate faster than the 151 proof rum? Or should I just stick to the 2oz? Thanks all.
Well I went ahead and tried it. I'd like to find out where I went wrong. I used a little over an 1/8 (3.6ish grams) with 2.5 oz everclear. It boiled down to 1.5 oz everclear.
When I was pre-baking, I baked it at 5 minutes at 325. I saw massive amounts of vapors and the smell penetrated the house at around the 30 second mark, but I continued with the 5 minutes as directed. I moved to the 2.5 oz of 190 proof everclear which was already at 170 degrees on the stove. Left it in there for a little over 20 minutes at 170. Strained, garlic pressed, dosed 3 droppers full. Waited about 2 and a half hours and feel only slightly buzzed.
By this time the alcohol had completely evaporated from the saved bud, so I smoked some to see if I could get high. Tasted like shit, but I got pretty damn high. So I know somewhere I went wrong. At least I saved the bud.
Ok, so I thought I would give this a shot.
So last night I separated around an 1/8th, ground it up, preheated the oven and then set the timer. For 60 minutes!! Oops, no idea where I got that from! My weed turned really brown but I still went through with the rest of it. Result: Really dark liquid that doesn't do a whole lot (got a minor buzz off of 1ml). Pretty much wasted an eight.
Anyway I wanted to give it another shot so I grabbed another 1/8th, baked it for 5, boiled it in alcohol, strained it and then I took 1ml about 15mins ago. This stuff is very dark but actually has some green to it so I'm hoping it works better.
I'm heading over to a friends pretty soon but I'll post results later.
Oh, and the leftover stuff after I had strained and pressed tonight I decided to throw into a small jar with some fresh alcohol. I'm going to let it sit for a few weeks and see if I can get anything more out of the used stuff.
So I would say the results are mixed. I got a buzz but I was also smoking and drinking wine so it was hard to separate. I just took a bit over 2ml to see if tonight is any different.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamemaker
I have to report that I tried this method exactly to the letter and it worked.
1 dropper in water gave me a nice body buzz, wich is what I was looking for.
I need it to make some safe meds for my Mother (she had car accident and need some meds to relax a bit) .
The prescription that the Dr gave her is giving her some bad side reactions.
So I want her to try the green dragon.
I have not tried 2 droppers but I already know will get me very spacey.
This is very good method I have tried other ones with out success.
Ps:every thing that I just wrote is purely fictional :smokin:
Master Wu (And Co as in Contributors),
Thank you for this recipe. Regardless of whether or not it works on me, you took the time to collect your trial and errors, and more importantly for us, your successes, and provide them to us here.
I went out rather late this evening and acquired the following items:
A set of pint-sized mason jars.
A garlic press
A metal coffee filter (sucks, bad choice)
A candy thermometer
A set of eye droppers
A cheesy tiny travel bottle for misc liquids, 3 oz in size.
A pint of Bacardi 151
Unlike a few others, I am not going to claim I followed your recipe perfectly, because I didn't.
I used 4 grams of some sleeper GDP, and 4 oz of Bacardi 151, per your responses later in the thread. I could not get Everclear in a pint during my jaunt, and really didn't want to drive all over the place looking for it.
Also, your original recipe called for 151, and you've had good success, so why argue?
Where'd I change things?
I did NOT add time with the 325F @ 5 Minutes even though I used a cookie sheet.
Why? Because I ground my weed to talcum powder consistancy on accident, and I would've flash-fried it had I put it in for longer than 5 minutes.
I think I'm good, the house was very aromatic, the color of the MJ post-bake was like a muddy grass color, a tweener between green and brown (or brown and green).
What I DID notice, was a very chocolatey smell.
I was afraid I might have burned my smoke during the decarbolyuxiushefosuhdf process.
However, everything else lined up nicely.
At a direct 1:1 (grams/oz), I ended up with 1.5 oz of finished product. I slapped 4 droppers into a half-shot mixed drink of Pepsi and 151 straight, a very small glass, and threw it all back.
I'm a recovering alcoholic (handle in-tact, no worries) and I haven't had any hard alcohol in quite a while.
I was never a lightweight.
While I am sitting here typing this review, things are brightening up, while blurring up. Currently I have my PC hooked up to my HDTV, so blurring shouldn't be occurring. <--- Dr. Seuss who?
I'm also getting more sluggish, my hands are warm and feel like Silly Putty.
I started this post thanking Master Wu and everyone that contributed to it, but I think I'm going to finish this post somewhat incoherently and wishing I had listened to the SO MANY pages of advice stating to test it on yourself and not assume you're immune.
(IVE NOT HAD EDIBLES WORK ON ME)
Its safe to say one shot didn't obliterate me. I'd say this stuff is kicking in rather quickly, and I may have ingested too much at once!
I LOVE IT WHEN THINGS WORK OUT!
My advice to anyone not having success with this... Don't cut any corners. I did this on a whim after discovering this topic this morning, and aside from MJ costs, buying all the supplies new at Wal-Fart cost under $45.00.
I would've saved $2 by picking up a mesh strainer instead of that stupid coffee filter.
Thank you again Master Wu (And Co),
I'll update you all again tomorrow when I've had time to sort out what the Hell is going on.
Thanks,
-R4SKN :thumbsup:
I'll use more potent product next time but it worked.
I can feel the lingering effects still, approximately 7 hours later.
Thanks again!
I'm just getting ready to cook my dragon, and am wondering how much if any odor will arise from the process. Any info would be greatly appreciated
an awful lot for sure, and it will stay around for a little while too!, good luck and enjoy itQuote:
Originally Posted by ken1stoner
wow, made my dragon. De-carbed as suggested, then cooked, kept the temp right on where alcohol was barely bubbling continuously for thirty minutes, didn't have a candy thermometer.
Now here's the cool part. I also had some budder that I was waiting to use, so I made a batch of brownies with a little over a cup included. To bump the potency I added 2 1/2 tablespoons of dragon to the recipe. Mind you this is all from leaf and some premie bud trimmings. I actully had a 5-6 hr high which was very intense including some mild visuals! The only thing was that the brownies actually came out more like cookies, hey I just happen to like cookies too!
The recipe I used is supposed to yield about 12 brownies, wow I can't believe you can get this high from leaf material. Thanks Master wu.
I have been making tincture for a few years, and I have never heated the cannabis in the oven. I have also never put the mixture in a warm bath. I just use stems from high grade cannabis, finely ground high grade cannabis, and kief. I add that to 151 proof grain alcohol.
I keep it in a warm cabinet for about 30 days. I shake the jar vigorously for 5 minutes once daily. Then I will allow the mixture to breathe with the lid off for a couple minutes before re-storing.
Has anyone else used this method?
I put 18 grams scrap buds and half a gram of keif in about 6 ounces of 151.Can anyone see any issues with this? Also i am a patient man,im going to let sit for a month or so. Is my alcohol to cannabis ratio about right?
Can one do this with bubble hash? Changing THCA to THC via a decarboxylation reaction, should or can this be done with Bubble hash?
You should be just fine, or if you want to raise your octane level a bit, let the alcohol sit uncovered for a few days and evaporate a tad to further concentrate the goodness after screening out the plant matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by nmesub
This thread here, which appears quite legit and list the properties of every compound, cites the boiling point of delta 9 at 157 C / 314.6 F:
While I want to ensure the decarboxylation is complete, I don't like how the herb is brown after five minutes at 325 F. I don't like the idea of losing aromatic terps during decarboxylation, and I especially don't want to be losing any cannabinoids.
I have heard other decarb techniques (such as ~200 F for 20 minutes, which I believe Master Wu and Dragonrider said was less effective as well as Coelho's 2-3 minutes in the microwave, which I am especially adverse to trying).
I would like to start a comprehensive discussion on decarboxylation methods with the goal of finding a baking time/temperature that is sufficient to remove the carboxyl group without vaporizing any goodies or tasty terps. I really don't understand why the 20 minutes as ~200 F was ineffective as I was under the impression that the carboxyl group can be removed merely by evaporating all of the water content out of the herb. Please discuss.
I didn't realize the thread I linked to had so many posts. The specific post with the boiling points and properties is here
I have seen many figures for the boiling point of delta 9, ranging from ~300 F to Master Wu's claim of 380 F.
The original recipe on this thread calls for 5 minutes at 325 F, which I think is a bit too high because it leaves the herb very browned and vaporizes off quite a few terps and possibly some cannabinoids as well.
The ~200 F for 20 minutes didn't seem to work well for me either but I can't figure out why.
200F for 20 minutes doesn't do much. See attached graph, courtesy of Jump117.
Awesome graph, quite the gem there!
So the 325 F for 5 minutes in the original recipe is clearly too high.
Based on the graph, I am thinking that 27 minutes at 252 F is the best option, although I'm not sure that heating for 27 minutes at 252 F in a home kitchen oven would be as effective as whatever super nice equipment the graph was based on. I am surprised that there is such a difference between 50 degrees. I am also surprised that there is a point of [significantly] diminishing returns with decarboxylation..... does it have something to do with heat degrading THC?
Anyway, I think for the purposes of this thread, the recommended time/temp should be 30 minutes at 123 C / 255 F. Hopefully they will update the recipe at the beginning of this sticky before too many other people end up burning off all their terps using the 325 F. Props to you Graywolf!!!!
What a great thread with tons of knowledge!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:
AWESOME!!
based on the decarb graph why not go 293 degrees for 7 minutes? Slightly higher THC and less time according to graph?
Lose taste or something? more browning perhaps?
just finished my first batch. Used 59ml(2 oz) bacardi and came out with maybe 20 or so ml at end. Is this low!?!? It def isnt 34 ml. I also used a garlic press and squeezed the hell out of the cheese cloth I used
I simmered for 23.5 minutes and temp was 170 that dipped a few times to 166 or so. Took 4 minutes to get up to temp that is why I did extra 3.5
Keef0, how did it go for ya? How much did you take and how strong was it?
I usually decarboxylate at 255F for 30 minutes (as opposed to 293F for 7 minutes) because I like to preserve as many tasty terps and flavors as possible. I also prefer my dragon to be green rather than brown. Also, the loss of potency after 7 minutes is quite abrupt!
Anyway what temp and time did you use for decarboxylation?
I'm not sure why you only finished with 20mL. I always use waaay more alcohol than the recipe calls for anyway though (as alcohol is cheaper than erb and I want to make sure I get the most out of the erb and avoid saturating the solvent (alcohol) before all the resins have been dissolved in it. Anyway, ya can always let some alcohol evaporate later if you find that it is too weak. Or just drink more! :thumbsup:
Hi, people, I'm new to this forum but not to GD,
Having read this ENTIRE discussion of GD and having one or two failed attempt and three or four VERY successful attempts, I thought I'd share my experiences.
Like Melodious Fellow above, I really thought long and hard about decarboxylation. 325 just seems WAY too high--you can see stuff boiling off, and, I'm sure, you end up losing a lot of good volatiles. On the other hand, 200 is just too low--somewhere I read (FWIW) that decarboxylation starts at 214 F. So, the issue is, make the temp high enough and the time long enough to ensure full decarboxylation. I've found the 250 F for 20 to 30 minutes seems to do just fine.
Then, I tend to use about twice as much alcohol as most people use. I reason (rightly or wrongly) that I want to use enough alcohol to guarantee that the solution doesn't saturate before it has disolved all of the THC and other goodies. Sure, the final product may be weaker than optimal, but I just use a little more of it. I really want to ensure that I've disolved ALL of the goodies, and haven't left any in the dregs.
Then, after "cooking" the alcohol/marijuana mixture in a water bath for about 30 minutes, I leave the marijuana dregs in the alcohol at room temp for a week or two. What can it hurt, and it helps guarantee I've disolved as much THC as possible. Then, when I do strain off the dregs, I cook them a touch longer in some fresh alcohol to extract the last bit.
All I can say is that the product of this process is quite stong. It's not quite the same as a smoking high (not quite as buzzy), but it lasts for 6 to 8 hours, and is really mellow. I have to test each batch, as the potency is a bit different from batch to batch, so I start low and work up over a few days. I once made the mistake of not doing this, and knocked myself crazy. I woke up the next day with a THC hangover (not nice) with headache, nausia, and general weekness. Don't go there if you can avoid it.
Anyway, that's what I've learned, and I'd like to hear other opionions on this approach.
Cheers,
ED
Welcome to the forums, MagicEd!!!!
I agree completely. I have had great results with the method you described (although I have noticed that tolerance increases rapidly with GD). I use plenty of Everclear, and then after boiling, I leave the erb in the alcohol and store at room temperature in a mason jar, just taking a bit out with a spoon or dropper whenever I need some. The first time I tried it, 1/3g erb dissolved in half a shot of Everclear nearly gave me a panic attack. The third time I tried it, the same dose from the same batch merely gave me some mild relaxation and appetite stimulation.
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Originally Posted by MagicEd
Hello melodious felow,
My comliments to you for posting about decarboxylation temperatures.
Years ago I attempted making GD using Master Wu's reciepe and was frankly dissapointed with the green becomming brown and knew other things where burning off. I had come accross some papers dealing with the various boiling points of THC, and various cannabinoids and realized 325 degrees F was just too high. It wasn't untill this last Nov. when I saw your postings that it got me interested again in GD.
Just before Christmas, I fired up my still to produce a few jugs of 'shine for someone having a "red neck new years" that led me to make homemade eggnog during that week, then decided to give Green Dragon another go for New Years.
I used 250F for 30 minutes, the results where outstanding! :thumbsup:
Thanks again for your posts. Also thanks to Graywolf for re-posting that chart, it clearly shows you were right on.
OM
PS, I started playing with GD on New Year's day, and I haven't been able to post anything untill today. ;)
Is it okay to finel chop/grind nugs after decarboxylation?
I decarb at 255F for 30 minutes and then grind. Is that okay or is it essential to grind before pre-baking?