Coconut oil, the organic kind from a health food store. It's probably still too heavy on the oil, so I am kind of worried about it leaking out of the capsules again. Have you experienced that at all? Anyone else have this problem?
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Coconut oil, the organic kind from a health food store. It's probably still too heavy on the oil, so I am kind of worried about it leaking out of the capsules again. Have you experienced that at all? Anyone else have this problem?
If it's the stuff i'm thinking of....solid right? Soft texture but solid.....it should return to that state when it cools. Put them in the fridge.....it should harden the coconut oil so that it doesn't leak.
If it's the stuff i'm thinking of....solid right? Soft texture but solid.....it should return to that state when it cools. Put them in the fridge.....it should harden the coconut oil so that it doesn't leak. Make sure you wait until it's cool enough in the first place before you try to put it into the capsules.
If it's the stuff i'm thinking of....solid right? Soft texture but solid.....it should return to that state when it cools. Put them in the fridge.....it should harden the coconut oil so that it doesn't leak. Make sure you wait until it's cool enough in the first place before you try to put it into the capsules. (Mr Hound puts it in when the stufff has gotten to about a "custard" type consistency.)
If it's the stuff i'm thinking of....solid right? Soft texture but solid.....it should return to that state when it cools. Put them in the fridge.....it should harden the coconut oil so that it doesn't leak. Make sure you wait until it's cool enough in the first place before you try to put it into the capsules. (Mr Hound puts it in when the stufff has gotten to about a "custard" type consistency.)
HOLY SHIT! :eek: What happened here????
Hmmm....looks like SOMEONE had a few too many caps......:wtf:
Heh, havin' a good night, Weedhound? :stoned::stoned:
Well, we just finished putting everything in the capsules. Yielded 32 of our smaller '0' capsules, which we will each be taking four or five of tomorrow morning.
We added pretty even amounts of oil and paste to them all this time, whereas last time they were pretty uneven on the amounts between the whole lot. They are in the fridge now, where they will remain.
Do you ever need to take them with you? If so, how do you keep them from leaking when you do, since you can't keep them in the fridge?
I'm so hoping we get knocked on our asses tomorrow...:thumbsup: Thanks again, Weedhound!
What a relief weedhound, as I was reading down these replies I was beginning to think it might be time to put down my cigar.... nah!
vileoxidation are you using gelatin caps?
I see people are substituting the Coconut oil for other alternatives. What are some good alternatives?
Olive Oil was mentioned. Does it need to be a specific type?
Also another thing that comes to mind is, if using the bud method and it is put on a plate then into the fridge to harden. Then cut into squares or portions, can it be eaten like that? Along with a spoon of the oil :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by robbyg
robby go back to the first two pages and there is lots of discussion on both things that you mentioned.....different oils and hardening the stuff on a plate (which I've tried and DOES work....with cocunut oil). I'm pretty sure you will get the information you need there.
Vilo....once the capslules harden I haven't had any problem with them leaking etc....I put them in regular pill bottles and they stay solid unless you put them next to something hot (at least they have for me.)
Have fun!!
Okay, they have been in the fridge all night, and we just popped five each. We shall see in a few hours how they turned out!! :D
Cool......watch Borat or something really funny. :thumbsup: Have fun.
Hm, still not the results we were looking for. This time the results were definitely more noticeable, but it was still only a slight stone, and maybe a tiny bit of a head high. Its only been a little more than two hours, so I am still somewhat hopeful...but not very.
We just picked up some good looking purps and a bag of our main guy's normal chronic, but right now we're not thinking we will cook with any more of it.
We can't think of any other problems that could have come up last night, especially since it cooked for so long. It never got above 270, and was above 225 for most of the time. Do we still need to get it hotter?
Flameon i havnt posted in awhile but id like to say you have changed the way i use cannabis now and i must say i am a very happy man. Although i havnt gotten the gel caps yet ive been forming the semi solid oil into pill shapes then freezing them for easy swallowing and its been working great. Took a couple before work this morning had me good till a little past my lunch break 5 hours later. I also tried cooking it at 250F for around 6 hours for the hash im using and ive had the best results yet.
Wait a little longer vilo.....;)
Still no real change to how it was, just a slight high, as if we smoked an hour or so ago. We are somewhat disappointed, but I do think that this batch was better than the first.
I don't know if they boyfriend is going to let me keep trying it, though. :(
Thanks for helping us with it so much, Weedhound! :)
Pssst....Kick up the heat.....;). Do you have any left? Somebody suggested putting the capsules back in the oven at about 300 for about an hour or something?
Yeah, we have a few left...should I dump the oil and gunk into a coffee mug and just throw it in there for awhile? How often would I have to check the temperature, because I know its a lot less accurate to do it in an oven?
Well I swear the recipe you made would have had me smiling wide. Mobyone suggested putting your oven temp 50F degrees higher than you are aiming for....(oven at 300F...capsules will be at 250F) so since you've done the low thing.....I'd aim for maybe 325F for an hour. Or even 350F perhaps. And yes, I''d just mix them altogether.
I'm REALLY starting to wonder....with so many varying reactions from people who basically cook it the same way (at the same temp) if the variable is in the people.....or perhaps the different types/strains that everyone uses.....or maybe BOTH. :cool:
Yeah, it kind of seems like it. Maybe there are just certain types of bud that extract easier than others, or some people absorb it better through the stomach, or something like that...cause I don't know what else we could have done wrong!
I'll probably try them in the oven tomorrow. I want this to work so badly, because if it can help us save that would be SO good for us. I haven't given up yet! :)
Time to smoke a few bong bowls and get ripped for the night. :thumbsup::stoned:
I very firmly believe there is a combo for almost everyone. The trick is finding it.
Good luck. :)
I said f it and decided to try "my combo" and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by robbyg
I am missing coconut oil so I tried to substitute for butter.
Also, I had no coffee grinder so I hand ground my herb two or three times to get it as fine as I could.
I put 3 medium spoons of melted butter into a dish with two spoons of herb.
Next part of my story is my stupid crock(ofshit) pot. It has two settings: "Warm" & "Cook". However, it does not stay on "cook" for extended periods of time. Also to make this even more interesting was I had no thermometer. Oops.
In the end, my substance settled with a liquidy butter on top and a sandy substance at the bottom. I used a syringe best I could and put it into the capsules. I made two types of capsules. One with lots of oil and one with lots of the sandy stuff. I made a couple of a 5050 mix.
So my first test was at 5:00PM pst (3 hours ago) and I do not feel much. There were a few moments maybe an hour to an hour and a half ago that I felt slightly buzzing but I was not definite. I would blame that on placebo more than anything? (after reading 17 pages in this thread, that is a fairly common feeling lol)
Now, as I mentioned I have two types of pills. One sandy and one oily. Should I go ahead and pop two of the oily's?? :D
Can I just leak them on to a spoon and drink it or should I try to heat it up more. Oh also, I heated it for 2.5 hours at the hottest temp which wasn't excruciating hot to the touch so I figured it was medium-ish... ha ha
Well....a friend of ours tried out two of the caps, and he was knocked on his ass for the whole afternoon on Saturday, apparently. So I guess they are working, and maybe we just need to up our dosage due to our use or their size or the amount of oil or something like that.
Definitely confirms that I am going to keep working on finding the right method and combo of everything for me. :thumbsup:
So I discovered that if you're tollerance is too high, you might not be feeling the full effects of your capsules.
I smoke 2: 0.5 gram bongs every day when I wake up to just be kinda high.
So like... I should take a break, cause my tollerance is as high as Jesus' just for different stuff.
I don't know you guys I consider myself pretty tolerant but as long as I grow a couple (two or three) different kinds and switch around.....I get quite wiped off 4 capsules....even after taking them for awhile.
Vilo...that would REALLY piss me off if I made caps and everyone else got high off them but not me. :wtf:
I am going to try 4 pills today. 2 oily and 2 sandy. My problem might be 2.5 hours was not enough time in the crock pot. I stirred twice. My crockpot was on the low setting not sure if this was hot enough.
Will check tonight with a temp monitor.
Hey people, I am now the proud owner of a candy thermometer. It cost $5.
Buy two rich man.....keep one around just for show...:D
Yeah it made me pretty angry...I don't know what to do about it, because I really feel like they weren't quite made right, so they only offered me a very slight stone, and the only reason it kicked his ass is because he only smokes a couple of times a week. But if I keep making them and, once again, they work for other people but not for me....things might get ugly. :rambohead:Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
So I don't know if I should attempt it again...if its just gonna piss me off, probably not, and I don't know if there is still hope for it to work. We picked up some Bubba Kush today, and I would love for them to work using that bud....but I don't want them to not work and have wasted some amazing shit. :(
Here's a trick I learned to prep the weed. It's called "decarboxilification", in short, it converts the THC into a form your body can utilize through ingestion and processing by your liver into a much more psychoactive substance rather than just smoking.Quote:
Originally Posted by vileoxidation
So here's the process:
1. Preheat your oven to 325f (this works well cause then you can do the other steps and you'll be ready, make sure to have an oven thermometer, or be sure it's accurate) NO MORE NO LESS.
2. Grind your pot- Not just as fine as for a bowl, not just little chunks, you want this beyond what you'd use to smoke a bowl. So fine you might be upset if you had to smoke a bowl of it. If you have a coffee grinder for just pot, use that, it's great. If you've got a regular grinder, turn it upside down and put your bud in, this will keep it from falling through the catcher and will keep it in the grinding mechanism.
3. Spread out your pot- Spread it out on a cookie sheet, or a bowl or whatever. Keep all your weed touching, and lay it out about 1/8" thick (3mm for those who use metric measurements)
4. Once oven has reached 325, place the cookie sheet in the oven for 5 minutes and bake.
5. Take your pot out, scrape it off the pan (the trichomes will get gooey and stick to stuff due to the heat) your house will smell a bit, but that's not the THC it's chlorophyll and other stuff off your pot.
Now use your pot for the cannabis capsules and see how big a difference it makes.
So do all that, then continue with the regular process of adding oil and cooking for the right number of hours? I thought that above 300, it started to vaporize the THC off with no way to contain it...I am guessing that if I left it in for more than five minutes it would start doing that? I don't need to increase my cooking temp for the whole crock-pot process, though, right? It has been between 225 and 280 for the past two batches of caps, but that was one thing I was somewhat worried about.
Thanks for your help and ideas, Max! It really makes me want to try it again for sure now! :)
Sorry about the multi-post, but I had another thought. I thought the decarboxylation temp was 106C, or 222F, which is why Weedhound has used that as her "magic" temp, if you will.
Is the oven just a way to speed up the decarboxylation, and not the only method, or can it not be done at temperatures such as 222?
Or is 222 the temperature for something entirely different, and I was just confusing things?
Sorry about all the questions - I'm a science person and am fascinated to learn about the intricacies of this to better understand the chemicals/processes involved.
Hi guys
Re: the question about decarboxylation.
To avoid any confusion. Decarboxylation is not about 'converting the THC into a form your body can utilize through ingestion', it's about converting any remaining 'non-active' THCA into 'active' THC.
It's a step that only becomes necessary if you're using poorly cured bud, as it speeds up the drying process.
The aim is to force any remaining moisture out of the plant material through the application of heat, rather than wait for the plant material to dry naturally (i.e. via curing). My personal recommendation is not to go as high as 325F, just warm it on a lower temperature for slightly longer, nor is it essential to grind up the weed first.
Which ever method you use, the aim is to end up with dry, crumbly weed - easy to grind and high in potency.
vileoxidation - Sounds like you're getting close. Like weedhound, I've got quite a high tolerance too, but even so 3 of these is still enough to knock me on my ass for the evening. You'll know the difference when you hit the 'sweet spot' in terms of cooking time and temp. My suggestion is to keep it above 200F, but below 250F (I noticed you were hitting 280F previously).
Anyhow - good work and good luck :thumbsup:
I thought decarboxylation was the process of getting rid of the carboxyl groups, which decrease the potency because they are simply an added chemical, through the release of carbon dioxide.
If it really is just needed for bud that has not been dried and cured correctly, I might just attempt it again without this added step.
Although...even though it might not be necessary for my current bud, which is dried well,I might try it anyway, both to ensure total release of carboxyl groups and to finish drying the bud. Two birds with one stone, after all!
Flameon, thanks for the recipe, and all of your help with it, and your devotion to making this work for people! You are awesome. :)
I have to agree...Flame rules! Vilo I found through my experiences that simply expirementing is the way to go. I did get a pretty fair buzz off my caps that I used to cook at 350 before I got ahold of Flames recipe but even then I had to do a lot of experimenting before I found what was right for me.
Try higher.....lower.....shorter....longer......(assum ing you have all this extra ganja to play around with....:wtf:
Yeah....not really...lol. We've got a bit extra that we allocated to this project still left, but only one more batch worth. Maybe we should do what you have suggested to others and, from that batch, take some out after certain amounts of time to get the most varied experimentation. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Okay so this time I was armed with the proper tools. I did two batches in separate containers using the crock pot method.
Batch 1:
1 tsp coconut oil
.5g hash
.5g bud
Batch 2:
1 tsp coconut oil
1g bud
I cooked for 4 hours at 200 - 250 farenheit. Then I did the unthinkable and fell asleep :D and my batches cooked for another 4 hours at under 200 farenheit(I would think this was harmless???)
I took 3 pills from batch 2 with breakfast 2.5 hours ago and do not feel much yet. Going to wait another 45 minutes and will take 3 pills from the other batch and see if its any better.
I should have saved a little bud so I could do a couple bong rips. Waiting for "the high" kind of sucks.
Interesting, I've heard that without decarboxilification, the weed was useless, it'd be as though you ate a bunch of pot without cooking it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flameon
I've tried both methods, and both times with properly grown and cured dank (lol, I don't smoke regs or beasters or whatever you like to call seedless, un-cured mid grade nugs) and without fail the oven method turns out to work, while the other way ( to my displeasure and disappointment) didn't get me high at all.
From my experience 325 is the magic spot, and after I cook the pot at that temp, as long as it's in a fatty substance I can do no wrong cooking at that temp.
And this is coming from a dude who will roll a 1.75 ounce joint of any "A-strain" or whatever and wake and bake it.
Yeah my tollerance is stupid high :(
Max mine is too.....and cooking at 325F would lesson the strength of my capsules.....and has.....from personal experience. It may work for some.....I got a buzz off cooking it 350F......but I get a much better high using much less weed cooking it at the lower temps.
I think the secret phrase is "from my experience." If everybody liked green beans we wouldln't need all sorts of other food in the world. I can say my best capsules are done between 225F and 275F and never see 325 during my cooking cycle.
And PS....my tolerance level was about 4 -5 grams a day....eating and probably another gram from smoking....daily.. i grow my own so I can put down as much as I want.......as long as I grow more. :D I can't even BEGIN to tell you how much weed I have saved with the capsules method. (pss....or how much went down the drain during the testing period either.)
PS....I've tried temps all the way to 375F on myself.