Please help! Droopy Plants
PH @ 5.9 PPM @ 1200
Thomas & WH you are right about nute burn when they were babies I nearly killed em...but I've seen almost 0 sex development at 16 Days in flower so I was getting anxious...it's been about 17 hours since I dumped in the nutes at this point so unless I see somethin bad I'll just chill here for now (I was wondering if temp affects ppm...like if a plant sweats more would ya need to have a lower ppm cause it wants to drink more water which takes in more nutes?)
bonger thanks for the info on the bubbler I gotta put somethin together really soon...feel free to post all ya want I'm not picky...I'm glad you mentioned the cd for comparison/guidance cause that is statistical data and the only thing better than data(experience) is formula...I feel the best way to grow is just find what makes the plant thrive...if you have the right instructions from the start you should get pretty close to the ideal result...
Have you come up with a structure for saving that data and used excel to create mean comparisons between the variables? For instance...if you were gonna grow a new strain you could weight the variables accordingly and get a list of estimated grow constraints for that strain...once you've harvested you'd have practical results to go over the original estimates and tighten up the +/- on your weighting system...lemme know if yer interested cause I'm starting to ramble again haha it would make a killer program though if you could type in a list of however many things and it spits out what you should do
I actually just saw Zandor post that 5.2-5.5 is the ideal ph for hydro...I created a thread with 4 questions I think related to that subject and hopefully it sparks some conversation if nothing else...I've read that ph needs change throughout and the ph vs nute uptake charts seem to support it but without experience I wanted to hear what Z has to say cause practice differs from theory(not that theory is wrong just that the people creating the theory usually don't think of everything) I've read 5.5 to 6.5 but the only thing I've had to guide that is if you want to absorb more N or P...I'd much rather know why you should be at a specific PH when you have a certain list of variables ie strain lighting ppm nodes etc but if he's right (regardless of why) I certainly wanna drop from the 5.9 I'm at now
As for the plants...Eve has a bunch of pistil sites now but they are all still very tiny, even the first site to show isn't any bigger I got a couple pics of her...Zola has a couple hairs that I can't explain as a leaf cause they look too white/clear I got a pic but it doesn't look the best...Olive is a bit taller/thicker but no sex development to speak of and no clear pics of her at all yet
I fixed my camera...I remembered it went screwy when it was watching the light refresh rate like those old monitors so I took it back when the light was on and aimed it right at the bulb...the screen went crazy for a second but then came back into focus musta been stuck trying to account for those refresh waves even though they weren't there anymore...it worked fine after that till the batts died...I was using reg duracell (junk) instead of my rechargable camera batts cause those were like 5 years old and finally went...I'll get new ones soon and see if I can post some better pics oh and the camera is 8 optical to correct my earlier post I've been taking pics on a super low resolution cause I've had to e-mail them but that should be fixed soon too
I'm not sure it matters but I picked up an air pump and some air stones for my res I was thinking about placing the stones near the pump intake so the solution is O2'd rather than pumping it in through the hydroton lemme know what ya think
PS 5 of the seeds have cracked so I made a little paper towel setup for em...they're between 2 damp papertowels on a plate that's sitting on a cookie sheet with a pyrex baking bowl over the plate to hold in moisture I put some water in the cookie sheet so I don't have to worry about it drying out for a longer period of time and just put the whole setup on a heating pad haha a picture would explain that way better I'm sure...getting tired
Tons more work to do but it's time for bed...lemme know if ya can tell Zola is a chick from the pic:cool:
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Day 16 and very little turning? Start checking for light leaks. That's not your nutes talking.....that's in your lighting I would think.
I don't know about Z's ph level....mine will start to show problems at 5.2...bending etc... i will lower my level during flowering to about 5.4 at latewood's suggestion if I remember correctly....something to do with higher P uptake I think. I would LOVE to listen to Z's stuff but I have dial-up at 26k and just can't do it.....it would take me years to download.
All that talk about variables etc.... Holy Tamoly! I think I've gotten in with some scientists.....you guys are starting to scare me. :D
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So I cannot tell from your photos which plant is which....pic in the middle is definitely female....don't see anything specific in the other two photos. The leaves look nice, green and healthy.....they are definitely getting plenty of nutes. If they are still growing but not really turning I think you have a lighting issue.
Somewhere around here Zandor posted a cool chart on uptake of different nutrients in hydro and what ph levels are ideal for each. I'll see if I can find it because he posted it for me before and I believe I saved it somewhere. :)
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'Hound, here is the chart: http://boards.cannabis.com/attachmen...0&d=1121829312
ASD, no, I have not done any manipulation of the collected data as of yet. I really didnt have enough to complie anything I would have felt worthwhile to be honest. I'll have about 4 more grows by next winter so that may be something to tinker around with while I am stuck in the house with snow up to my ass.......LOL
When and if I do, I'll be sure to share.
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Bonger you are all over it! Thanks. :D
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I changed the setup a little bit and got mylar over 2 walls in a corner....I'll get it sealed better tomorrow but I kinda ran outta time...light is goin off soon
7 seeds have now popped (2 new ones today) the 2 biggest ones are about 1/8 inch long I'll wait till they're about 1/4 to plant em I should have done this before putting em all in soil before...and with the reading I came across scuffing up the seed with some sand paper to help expedite the process...I'll try that with the seeds that haven't popped by monday
The clone was put near a window yesterday and actually showed some decent growth so I'm certain it's rooted I'll be planting that monday as well haven't decided how just yet but ehh I'll wing it
Currently the ph is at 6 so I'm gonna drop it to 5.7 and tomorrow to 5.4 especially with that chart info I really don't need them getting any taller just bud...
I'll try to get some better pics tomorrow as well...talk to everyone soon ;-)
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ok the ph down did more than I thought 2 caps brought 12 gallons from 6 to 5.4 but atleast that was my target anyway so it's not the end of the world...the plants might not like the .6 swing but ehh they've delt with worse :D
After looking at the chart I'm preparing for burn cause I had upp'd the nutes at 5.8-6.0 but if I can eek by they should burst into bloom...I'll keep an eye on it several times tonight to be sure I avoid a catastrophy haha...
and WH don't worry bout the science talk...it would be nice if I could give a couple tips back that help your grow(s) since you've helped me so much already...anyway enjoy the weekend :cool:
PS I'm 99% sure that Zola is a chick so that makes 2...hopefully Olive will follow shortly
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I just looked at the chart that bonger posted and it says P is available from 6.1 to 5.8 so I'm still kinda confused I thought P was the main nute for this stage of growth...if ya could help explain the basics bonger I'd appreciate it...I've been measuring in the water of my res to get the readings as a heads up.
I was thinking maybe ya need 5.2-5.5 like Zandor said in the res cause when you spray the solution in mix with air the ph goes up or somethin so at the roots if they aren't just hangin in the water it will even out to the right ph...I'm gonna keep looking for info but if anyone knows just offer it up
ok now I'm out for real...
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Ok...you've gone off just a little too far in the other direction here......I can barely even remember yelling at you in one of the first posts about your shoddy ph practices way back...:D You are making yourself nuts. Your plants will do just fine at 5.8.....you will not fry them (especially at this stage)by adding nutes at 5.8 vs 5.4. Calm yourself.;) My first grow I had five plants and kept the ph approx 6-6.2 dont ask me why. I ended up with 8 1/2 oz from five plants. Next grow....3 plants....7 oz....ph at about 5.8-6.0. Third grow had the rootbound problems......7 oz per five plants. This time I dropped ph to 5.4. I will drop it again to that level in later flowering as well because I'm sure that was not my probem but I am not having visions of pounds because of it. Are you seeing where I am going with this?
Now....go toke a bowl and congratulate yourself....you have done a very good job and I have no doubt your plants will come through absolutely fine. :thumbsup: And forget about the ph for a day (can't believe I'm saying that.:eek:)
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hehe thanks I get kinda wrapped up sometimes...
when you were talking about the light leaks were you refering to not enough light being sent to the plants like it was leaking out of the grow room or did you mean leaking into the res? the only place where light can enter the res is a 1 inch circular whole where the pump cable goes in I'm sure I could stuff that shut if it's an issue...I haven't noticed anything building up in the tank itself besides just a tiny (about the area of a quarter) around the pump hose that sends the water to the root chamber...this little bit seems to vanish if I stir up to take a ph/ppm reading so I wasn't all that worried about it before...
Tomorrow is gonna be fun cause I get to start work on the cloner ;-)