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Originally Posted by couch-potato
and you have the answers do you? you know the truth? than tell me. because if you don't know, you can't know that another belief is wrong.
i'm ready for the answer. we all are. the truth is, no body knows for sure. that's the eternal problem. it always will be. we believe different things, we may even think we know, we may believe very strongly, but we haven't seen the other side of this life, and we haven't seen God.
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Originally Posted by PlantBoxer
the creatures he mentions are taken mostly from greek mythology. the old testament predates that by a large margin. so the meaning of the hebrew word that was used, is not based on greek culture and mythology, but hebrew
you have to think clearly about things here, cause and effect. i have studied some biblical hebrew, and i'll try to find the actual words he mentions. i hope you understand what i'm saying. if you don't, then we can't go on before that is understood
you can't interpret ancient hebrew with classical greek images. and you certainly can't interpret modern english TRANSLATIONS with greek mythology. this is just bad thinking. you've got to use that brain. think hard.
ok, here you go:
satyr: the hebrew word transliterates as "saw-eer" that is a male goat. i'm trying to find how many times it occurs in the tanach (OT, old testament if you will), but i'm having trouble with this program. the strong's number is H8163
cockatrice- hebrew word "tsef-fah". an adder
unicorn: hebrew "reh-ame" a wild bull
i hope you understand. the problem is that the king james bible, the english translation has used these mythological words to translate the hebrew.
the original hebrew authors COULD NOT have been using greek creatures to decribe. you must look at the orginal language
this is just bad logic, and it makes me tired.
the biggest problem with understanding the bible is that everyone does so much throwing sand that things get obscured.
the depth of ignorance and sheer stupidity shown in that website is massive
listen folks, there's a lot going on here, in this book called the bible. to throw it out the window as "fairy tales" is pretty silly. we're talking about 66 books by some 40 authors, with different styles, different histories, different lives, spanning a period of thousands of years.
the reason we have all these books retained throughout the millenia is that they were highly prised as the word of God by the jews, copied with incredible standards, and prized above all else. this is why copies have survived from long ago, in excelent form.
a few things you should know:
1. what books should be in or out of "the bible" is the subject of some debate. for instance, the catholic church uses an extra section of books between the "old" and the "new" testament usually known as the "apocrypha". modern jewish believers do not accept the "new" testament as the word of god, nor jesus to be the meshiac (messiah). the old testament is known as the "tanach". it contains the torah (books of moses, 5), nevviiim (prohets), and the ketuviim (writings); they are also in a different order than used in the protestant or catholic bibles
2. the old testament (i hate the terms "new" and "old", and jews certainly don't consider their tanach to be the "old" testament, but you'll bear with me for consistancy) was written mostly in hebrew. there is also some aramaic. the new testament was written in koine greek, or "common" greek. it was the language of the roman empire and required to be learned by all. this facilitated it's availability as most people knew koine greek as well as their own language. much of th new tetament are letters written to various churches by apostles and other folk
3. ok, so what do we have today? do we have any original manuscripts? the answer is no, we don't. anything written that long ago on papyrus or reeds, or whatever, is long since disintegrated. what we do have is COPIES of the originals, or more likely copies of copies of copies. not translations, copies. there are a number of different texts. for instance, i have two hebrew bibles. one is the biblia hebraice strutgardensia (commonly used version). another is the biblia hebraica leningradensia. that copy was found in leningrad russia, i forget when, but not terribly long ago. you also have something like the dead sea scrolls which was an unbelievable discovery. something to note is that these copies are not identical. what this means, is that one, or more, have errors in them, errors from the original. different bible translations use different texts to translate from, and they also use different styles of translation, from very literal (say NASB, or KJV), to very .........well...flowing and figurative, such as the NIV. and i'm just talking english here. however, it's important to note that thought the copies we have are not identical, they are very close, and the differences generally do not change the meanings of the text, but are very minor. so, either some of these manuscripts have errors, and some do not. there have been folks for example that believe the textus receptus (used for the king james bible) is the accurate one, and the others, such as westcot-and-hort are errorful. people differ
even if you handedly throw out all the miracles and stuff like it, you still have lots of important history in the "bible". these are some incredibly old documents, and there is much that can be learned from them. whether you believe them to accurately show who God is, is up to you.
so, what am i trying to say? simply, there's a lot of thrwing-about of insults and ridicules and claims that the bible is "false" or "ridiculous" or a "bunch of fairy tales". well, open your eyes, and when you do, open the bible, and see for yourself.
even if you think that all the miracles and what-not are fairy tales, there's a lot of other stuff. to take the work of perhaps 66 different people, and throw it out the window just because it is collected into a volume that that has things in it you don't like? that's nuts.
there's a lot of folks saying "don't be taken in, don't be mislead". well, i'll throw the charge back at y'all. don't just believe some website that tells you what to believe or that the bible is a pile of shit. lots of people died because they believed very strongly in this book. you may come to the conclusion that they died for a false belief or beliefs, but the important thing is that you come to your own conclusions.
in the words of a favorite researcher of mine: do your own research, come to YOUR OWN conclusions
good luck y'all ;)
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Originally Posted by bobbygreenbear
I do not need an infinite knowledge of the universe to know that religion if nothing but psychological delusion. I can prove that there is no such thing as a spherical cube, simply because it is impossible for one to exist. Using the same principles I can prove that the God described in the Christian bible cannot exist. The bible has great stories, and Jesus was a cool guy but what the poor book lacks is any actual evidence - which is what matters.
You are taught religious crap since you were sperm. and nothing else and to fear, so naturally you belive the stuff. the good reverand (who's livelyhood depends on your attendance) wouldn't try to deceive you would he/she???
There's PLENTY of proof! You just ain't lookin' in the right places! Adam to Elizabeth II Here's God's promise to King David there would be NO END to his throne! http://www.historycentral.com/Mideast/Sixday.gif This picture fulfills what was spoken of the prophet Isaiah in 700 B.C.E. Isaiah;31:5 As BIRDS FLYING,so will the Lord Of Hosts DEFEND Jerusalem! You can also look at Luke;21:24 and Matthew;34:32-36 Then there's hemp of course! http://www.zelfoaustralia.com/images/zelfo_brochure.pdf Ezekiel ;34:29 or how 'bout Micah;2:1,2? http://www.city.west-lafayette.in.us...pic/050805.png which Micah foretold hemp prohibition? Or better yet, http://www.ensignmessage.com/archivesephraim.html AMERICA IN PROPHECY!Quote:
Originally Posted by ericwt