Global warming

See you mentioned death of man kind. A bit different than the death of the planet. Don't let us 'ignorant' folks get to you. I know I'm the worst example of not keeping your cool. I even stooped to name calling and such (which I do feel bad about, please accept my apologies for acting like a 5 yr old), but some of us beleive what we want. Science has been wrong and lied before. Don't blame us if we don't beleive everything we are told. Its just human nature, and the nature of humans are to kill ourselves out (or at least I beleive so).

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Originally Posted by benagain

The only problem with "fact" is that no one was around when the earth took a crap last time. There is no hard eveidence. Just some left over residue and theories from different people as to what it means. Hell, even though most people can agree on it, no one is 100% sure on what killed the dinos. You see my problem? If there was a guy with tools and a notepad with pen 10 million years ago and he's been writing shit down, then I might have a little more faith in the numbers. I still think what everyone does to hep the environment is great (I'm an outdoors guy myself), but I'm not gonna be 'scared' into making a huge life change over some speculative ideas and theories.

If everyone else on the planet went insane, would that make me crazy?
lol

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I am sorry but there is evidence it is NO LONGER speculative ideas or theories if anyone tells you differently they are simply ignorant to the lastest facts. There was a huge push to make it "appear" that global warming is not true. It was the work of the oil and coal corporations in order to buy some extra time. They knew it was coming that is why they doctored the test results not only that exxon put out false reports just so they could reap in more profits...

The UK Guardian reported on September 20 that a letter from the Royal Society, Britainâ??s national academy of science, has called on ExxonMobil Corp. to stop funding dozens of organizations that have â??misrepresented the science of climate change by outright denial of the evidenceâ?�. Exxon has been distributing millions of dollars to what Climate Science Watch terms the global warming denial machine....
http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/i...-exxon-letter/

http://www.reportalert.info/ra/Exxon.htm

Expert: Bush Hides Global Warming Evidence

October 27, 2004, By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) -- The Bush administration is trying to stifle scientific evidence of the dangers of global warming in an effort to keep the public uninformed, a NASA scientist said Tuesday night
http://atkeison.org/home/news/news_2...gEvidence.html

There is no doubt it is happening PLEASE PLEASE believe it....
They can take ice core samples that go back thousands of years. Ice captures the gases that were in the atmosphere back then. You can actually see just how fast the world is warming. When they look at the natural climate change before humans were on the earth there is a pattern but once the insudtrial age of humans kicked in the CO2 in the ice increases to a HUGE amount and each year is worse.

The best way to SEE what is happening is to look at the glaciers...

http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming....inareport.html

Then theres the poor polar bears :(

It may be the latest evidence of global warming: Polar bears are drowning.
Scientists for the first time have documented multiple deaths of polar bears off Alaska, where they likely drowned after swimming long distances in the ocean amid the melting of the Arctic ice shelf. The bears spend most of their time hunting and raising their young on ice floes.
In a quarter-century of aerial surveys of the Alaskan coastline before 2004, researchers from the U.S. Minerals Management Service said they typically spotted a lone polar bear swimming in the ocean far from ice about once every two years. Polar-bear drownings were so rare that they have never been documented in the surveys.
But in September 2004, when the polar ice cap had retreated a record 160 miles north of the northern coast of Alaska, researchers counted 10 polar bears swimming as far as 60 miles offshore. Polar bears can swim long distances but have evolved to mainly swim between sheets of ice, scientists say.
The researchers returned to the vicinity a few days after a fierce storm and found four dead bears floating in the water. "Extrapolation of survey data suggests that on the order of 40 bears may have been swimming and that many of those probably drowned as a result of rough seas caused by high winds," the researchers say in a report set to be released today.
While the government researchers won't speculate on why a climate change is taking place in the Arctic, environmentalists unconnected to the survey say U.S. policies emphasizing oil and gas development are exacerbating global warming, which is accelerating the melting of the ice. "For anyone who has wondered how global warming and reduced sea ice will affect polar bears, the answer is simple -- they die," said Richard Steiner, a marine-biology professor at the University of Alaska.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article..._20061214.html

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Originally Posted by benagain

The only problem with "fact" is that no one was around when the earth took a crap last time. There is no hard eveidence. Just some left over residue and theories from different people as to what it means. Hell, even though most people can agree on it, no one is 100% sure on what killed the dinos. You see my problem? If there was a guy with tools and a notepad with pen 10 million years ago and he's been writing shit down, then I might have a little more faith in the numbers. I still think what everyone does to hep the environment is great (I'm an outdoors guy myself), but I'm not gonna be 'scared' into making a huge life change over some speculative ideas and theories.

If everyone else on the planet went insane, would that make me crazy?
lol

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What your saying is that observation is the only source of fact. Do you really agree with this?

Blue cat, you are correct. There was a study done analyzing the relevant studies to climate change. They looked at hundreds of research papers (a very large sample size) and none of the ones analyzed disagreed with climate change, they all supported it occurring.

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Originally Posted by benagain

Yea, I know they can take soil samples and whotnot and get a pretty good idea of what probably happened a million years ago .

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Actually they drill ice cores from the artic. This ice is formed by compacting snow. Because itâ??s formed in this way small bubbles of air are trapped. These samples of air are samples of the atmosphere. They are not guesses or pretty close, they are exact!

As well they can take samples of the dissolved Oxygen in the water. And measure the ratioâ??s of the different isotopes. Isotopes are atoms with the same number of protons but different numbers of neutrons. The ratio of the oxygen isotopes can be used to very accurately estimate the salinity of the ocean and itâ??s temperature. Since the temperature, salinity and oxygen isotopes have a causal relationship there is a very small margin of error.

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Originally Posted by five0addict

lets rays in but not out eh? never since when? strange "facts"

global temperature flux is NORMAL, but if we dont do something to prevent ozone degeneration we WILL be in serious trouble.

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When Co2 is hit by a light ray, the light energy turns into heat.

So light enters the atmosphere hits some co2 on the way in, bounces off the earth and hits some on the way out. The more CO2 in the atmosphere the more photons will hit them, and the more heat energy will be kept here.
It isnâ??t trapping the light in, it is trapping the energy.

Some CO2 is needed to keep the temp up. But were increasing the CO2 and the temp is increasing. It's cause and effect.

this clip from futurama actually sums it up quite well;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgE_mkR2oac

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Originally Posted by benagain

See you mentioned death of man kind. A bit different than the death of the planet. Don't let us 'ignorant' folks get to you. I know I'm the worst example of not keeping your cool. I even stooped to name calling and such (which I do feel bad about, please accept my apologies for acting like a 5 yr old), but some of us beleive what we want. Science has been wrong and lied before. Don't blame us if we don't beleive everything we are told. Its just human nature, and the nature of humans are to kill ourselves out (or at least I beleive so).

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Let me repeat that what we are discussing here isn't opinions. It's facts. I hate to sound like such an ass, but that's just how it is. Go grab a study, or an online article, and make a claim from it and put one over on all the unsubstantiated claims.

Thank you, BlueCat, for providing some links and other research in your post. *goes to read*

Sure Bob :) The sad thing is the nay sayers won't even bother to read!

come on back after you've read and let me know what you think!

I just killed a fly in my house,,,the first I have ever seen here in the winter the whole 15 years I'm here...

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Originally Posted by Skink

I just killed a fly in my house,,,the first I have ever seen here in the winter the whole 15 years I'm here...

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Hmmm do you by chance have a dead body in your basement? :D

Or maybe your house is haunted like that Amityville house. LOL