Evolution or Creation

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Originally Posted by Faultydesign

A non diest view of evolution involves matter just spontaneously evolving for no real reason....

It's kinda like your car driving itself to the store while you sit at home and hit the bong.

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Actually, it's not like that at all... :smokin:

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Originally Posted by iwantFUEGO

why is it so wrong to believe that God created evolution.

God is all knowing so why wouldn't He create organisms that will adapt and survive? The earth isn't perfect... Genesis tells us that the earth isn't perfect because of what adam an eve did in the garden.

The bible shouldnt be read literally... it was written by MAN who was influenced by God.

You need faith in something... otherwise what do you have to live for?

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You've got a great attitude. and that is a very good question. You are absolutely right.Adaptation is all around us. Our need to make adjustments and adaptations is part of the wisdom of creation.

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Originally Posted by iwantfuego

You need faith in something... otherwise what do you have to live for?

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I think there are many things to live for besides faith in religion. :smokin:
You could live for being a good person.
You could live just for the sake of living.
You could live to eat hot dogs with spicy mustard.
You could live to study philosophy and try and figure out what you are living for.

I think it's alot like John Lennon said, "Life is what happens while you are making other plans."

So, just live your life and be friendly, generous, fair, etc...and everything will turn out ok. :stoned:

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Originally Posted by Hamlet

Today I was listening to the radio--the local right-wing zealot who's always screaming creationism and defending Bush. He had Dr. Francis Collins as a guest (the prof. in charge of mapping the human genome, and also a religious man). The host thought he had a shoe-in for the defense of Creationism. I thought it was pretty funny how he had to eat crow from a superior intellect that was to some extent, on his side.

Collins said 'Creationism' as it's proposed, hasn't been around very long and is absurd as it's presented compared to the body of evidence for evolution and the natural sciences--and taking Genesis literally is impossible unless you want to cast out reason completely. He felt (as IwantFUEGO mentioned above) that the only rational way to approach the dilemma, if one chooses to believe in a Supreme Being, is to accept that God uses Evolution to get the job done.

Anyway, I have to listen to this ultra-right lunatic every day and it was fun listening as he got his ass handed to him by someone who was actually educated enough and rational enough to understand the issues.

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Hamlet, God aged the earth perfectly in the figurative six listed. There is alot of numberology that I question if most not familiar would obviously be aware of........... in a Kind of a round about......... in a round about way.

http://throwawayyourtv.com/2006/04/b...eationism.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/

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Originally Posted by weirdo79

http://www.talkorigins.org/

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Seriously, everyone arguing in this thread should take a thorough look at that site. Some good stuff there.

Too be honest most will "poo poo" it claiming its a "website" and not a good cite then go on to point to a creationist website...Bah I dont know why we bother , people who shout "creation!" 9/10 havent even taken grade 11 biology let alone university level. They think because THEY dont get it or understand it then it simply cant be true....Appeal to ignorance fallacy....Wish they'de just take a course or two or even just Email any science wing in a non religious university. Especially ones like Waterloo or Berkeley. Of course scientists just buried those fossils and transitory species so they could get grant money ;).

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Originally Posted by Faultydesign

It's kinda like your car driving itself to the store while you sit at home and hit the bong.

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Please put me down for one of these vehicles.. are they hybrids?:rasta:

There is both evolution and creation because if some thing were never created there would of never of been anything to evovle or adapt to anything. Come now people isnt it obvious that both such forces exsist.