100% Proof About 9/11

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Originally Posted by Tmar.aLL.DaYmar

g*d damnit everyone quit being so fucking retarded. The pointless shit thats being said from both sides of this debate is so g*ddamn ignorant i want to fucking kill myself.

As for people who think that the US Government wouldnt kill their own citizens for a political, economical or financial advantages get your fucking head out of your ass. This isnt a fucking disney movie for christ sakes. I would give some examples, but if your really disillusioned enough to think that our country is lead by morality instead of greed then theres no fucking point.

And as for all you people who watch "loose change" and think your an expert on 9/11, do your own g*ddamn research. holy fuck your no better than the people who blindly listen to the government. Ive seen alot of stupidass conspiracy theories which can easily be proven wrong.

OK FINE! steal beams melt at fuckedy-ass degrees, and jet fuel burns at a lower temperature. well did you ever think that a steal beam doesnt have to fucking melt in order for thousands of pounds of concrete to cause it to break? At jet fuel's max temp, a steal beam loses 70% of its integrity. Does that sound probable now?

sick of these clone threads..

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what's loose change?

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Originally Posted by graph

what's loose change?

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Ya, what's Loose Change?:confused: Guess I can't claim I am an "expert" on 9/11.:(

Dang!!!:D

9/11 was Germany's Reichstag Fire. You think a dictatorship could never happen in Amerika? It happened in Germany when it was called the Weimar Republic, and their constitution much like ours told the government what it can and CANNOT do. The Nazis committed the act and blamed the communists. Then it was the Jews, liberals, homosexuals, etc who were targeted and persecuted. Hitler passed the Enabling Act which granted him total control and it was set to expire...much like our Patriot Act that Congress passed right after 9/11. Also, Bush trying to permantely ban homosexual marriage is a very Hitler like act, as Amerika is supposed to free right?? I smell fascism!!!

The oldest trick in the book is for nations to have their citizens surrender their rights in the name of security. It happened in Germany..it will happen in Amerika!

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.- Herman Goering

Diffuse flames burn cooler.
Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.

The fires in the towers were diffuse -- well below 800ºC.

Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved

LOL....I was wondering how long this thread was going to survive in the lounge!

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Originally Posted by knocks

Then go ahead and prove this entire theory wrong......more than just the "steal" beams and 70% stuff that you mentioned....

Or, maybe this isn't one of those "stupidass conspiracy" theories, after all. :rasta:

What is it about this thread that you hate so much? That the people referring to "Loose Change" pretend to be experts? Or that you just don't believe how strong steel is?

I admit, I think a lot of the conspiracies I've read are complete BS...but there are also some things that make you wonder. And, there are a lot of FACTS that these conspiracies are based on that have yet to be disputed. If everything happened like you think it did, why are there these holes?And if the government knows that all of these holes exist, why don't they fill in these holes and answer the questions that they know are being asked?

I, personally don't have any stance about this 9/11 stuff, but don't hate on these dudes for having theirs. That's the whole reason we're supposedly fighting this war, right? America would be a sh!tty place if everyone was lazy, didn't question anything, and simply said stuff like "fuck it, there's no point" or "if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen."

Peace.

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dear god i should have known that would be completely misunderstood.

And let me start off by saying that YES, i beleive 9/11 was staged. I was the like the fourth fucking post in this thread and i said i beleived it was staged.

And i dont hate people debating 9/11, what i hate is uninformed people spouting off completely ignorant information for both sides. Just because a video online gives some reasons why 9/11 was staged, DOESNT mean that its not fucking lying.

Ive written numerous International Baccalaureate level papers on september eleventh. And ive done something called RESEARCH for PRIMARY SOURCES. ever heard of them? It means not going to google and typing in "9/11 conspiracies", it means interviews with Structural Engineers and other specialists. It means browsing government archives, and other CREDIBLE sources.

I was in lower NYC, not far from Ground Zero, on 9/11.

What do you think about my conversation with an architect that I met on the subway after leaving the area of the attack, before the towers fell, that described to me exactly what was going to happen?

There must be others like him that predicted the collapse, but I never hear about any. Since it happened so fast there probably wasn't time for postings to be placed on the internet.

Have you seen or heard of any documented cases of similar professional opinions posted, or otherwise offered, between the time the Towers were hit and their collapse?

What about that radio transmission of the firefighter saying that the fires were containable....If the fire was containable then it surely wouldnt be close to collapsing

Secondly didnt it seem like a LARGE portion of the fuel burnt outside of the building, its not like the whole plane got lodged in there, it blew right through it.

I have to agree that basing your opinion on that crazed fuck Alex Jones is stupid. All he does is throw these supposed "facts" at you and expects you to belive them. I would have had a easier time believing him if he gave something to back his facts up.

comment directed toward oneirnaut.

well thats what i did but opposite. i believed in the "official story" then i decided to step out of the box and look at the "conspiracy theories". it made a lot of sense to me...

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Originally Posted by C4nn4Bliss

What about that radio transmission of the firefighter saying that the fires were containable....If the fire was containable then it surely wouldnt be close to collapsing

Secondly didnt it seem like a LARGE portion of the fuel burnt outside of the building, its not like the whole plane got lodged in there, it blew right through it.

I have to agree that basing your opinion on that crazed fuck Alex Jones is stupid. All he does is throw these supposed "facts" at you and expects you to belive them. I would have had a easier time believing him if he gave something to back his facts up.

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I didn't like loose change. Way too much hearsay to be considered actual evidence. What I do like, though, is how it encourages others to start researching themselves, something most people never did before.

Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.