no doubt about it,it is already happening.
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no doubt about it,it is already happening.
Torog,
Being a religious man I will take it for granted that you are familiar with the Bible. Now, in the Bible there are clear instructions to kill or to hurt people for things such as homosexuality, cheating on your spouse, sleeping with another mans wife, etc. But do you see this happening in America? The USA is a predominantly Christian nation. So why aren't homosexuals and such killed? Because it is wrong, and as normal, decent individuals, as most Christians are, they can see it is wrong, or at least deemed wrong by the society they live in. I imagine that this is the same as the koran. Maybe it does instruct people to do some evil things, but the vast majority of them don't do these things, frankly because they're wrong. Do you agree?
Surah 47. MuhammadQuote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
I'm also trying to find a verse that goes on the order that in the last days, Mohamad will point out the Jews from behind every tree and stone that they hide, when they are killed off, then Allah will return to earth.
Howdy GhostToker,Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
Yup..I do agree..but I would also like to point out,that the vast majority of Christians,live by the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the New Testament,but,as in every religion..I reckon that there radical fundementalists who do the wrong thing. My Jewish girlfriend,says that she believes that not all muslims or arabs are bad,that she would like to live in peace with them,she does not consider all of them to be her enemies..nor do I..only those who are against individual freedom..are all of our enemies..it is they-whom I wish to vanquish.
You do believe in freedom for all,don't you ? I reckon that you do....
Have a good one ....
Is Islam a peaceful religion? What are freedoms like in an Islamic country? How are people of other beliefs treated in these countries?
"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.."
Sura 9:5
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Sura 9:29
"And fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearing, Knowing."
Sura 2:244
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement."
Sura 5:33
"So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish."
Sura 47:4
The Quran teaches men can have up to four wives.
"And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course."
Sura 4:3
The Quran teaches it is ok to beat your wife.
"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
Sura 4:34
The Quran teaches it is ok with Allah if you lie.
"Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing the Wise."
Sura 66:2
Allah could have saved us, but He had to fill hell.
"And if We had pleased We would certainly have given to every soul its guidance, but the word (which had gone forth) from Me was just: I will certainly fill hell with the jinn and men together."
Sura 32:13
http://www.myfortress.org/islam.html
Hey Torog,
Of course I want Freedom for all! That's the number one reason I don't believe in certain religions (because you have to give up certain freedoms), certain governments (because they take away freedoms), and most wars (because they, more often than not, are started in the name of freedom). It's good that you can see that there are fundamentalists and extremists in alot of religions, not just the one.
As much as I am not a religious person, I would absolutely love it if all religions were at peace with eachother. This is why fundamentalists from every religion scare the crap out of me. You have Islamic fundies blowing people up, and Christian fundies trying to take over the USA. When people take their religion too far, and try and cram it down people's throats, well, that's when it goes wrong and arguments start. There'll never be peace with people like that.
Oh, and Psycho4bud, please don't try and convince me that Islam is evil, or whatever you're trying to do. It's completely pointless, because it's not the only religious text to ever incite violence.
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Originally Posted by Nicoli
oh i get it.
what i was trying to point out was that the war wasnt justified because the terorrists were from saudi.
why wasnt there any talk about hitting saudi hard? it was because of the money issue. this whole thins was about money. thats why its wrong.
and the bombers were saudi, but they didnt planand carry out their operation from inside saudi. the nationality isnt important. i just find it odd that saudis who didnt plan out their attacks in iraq were responsible for iraq getting war declared on them.
it makes no sense.
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Originally Posted by Torog
but at what cost, torog.
look at the buget...look at the casualty..look at the hoplesness the generals portray when they state theyve given up hopes of military victory...
i believe in liberty and freedom...but i dont believe in it being forced upon the populace o the backs of failed and deceitful intelligence.
you want so bad to make them "free" so you can get extra shuteye at night...you never really cared about them until bush told you to.
all the while, america goes to hell. right now in New orleans and louisiana there's rampant looting going on...and guess where the National Guard is whose supposed to protect people?
i just finished watching cnn....they wont be able to get back for almost two weeks... the only thing left will be spam.
torog, youre so keen to fight terrorism...but your own american civilians are being terrorised right now as we type back and forth...think about that.
let's roll.
"the only thing left will be spam."
LOL! haha :D
Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt.. just thought that was hilarious! :)
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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
lol. but at least you get what im sayin, right? :D