UVb an experiment

Mac. If I'm not mistaken.. Licensed med users and caregivers will have access to the info after Halloween 09. Also I think the info will be free to licensed med and caregivers using a 3x3 area or smaller. I will know more info on that soon. So don't quote me.. LOL

As for why I say to use clear INC during you normal light on time is. Clear INC are the most economical way to produce speed (at the current moment). Halogen INC's produces more speed yet. If you goggle the use of INC and growing you will see it's all about the far red. Far red = speed... INC's also serve another purpose for my uncle and I.....manipulation of the time factor...... Unfortunately this is were I would be getting into trademark protected info.. But like I was saying... I thought I read somewhere on this forum that you are a licensed Caregiver... If that's the case. I think you will have access to the Juicy info soon. Remember I said the blue that is part of that UVB bulb is fast. Unfortunate that blue bulb has UVB and IMO is not what you want..

What I would like to see you do is a side by side comparison... Clear halogen vs UVB.

The rule of thumb for clear INC's is...3/4 of a watt to every 1 watt used of your normal on light. My uncle and I use 1/2 watt to every 1 watt used of our 400HPS. So basically we use 200 watts of clear halogen inc...Anything over a 1-1 ratio is a waste. We run 40 watts of inc's during the first two weeks of stretch. Then we ramp it up on the third week to 200 watts. We also have tested 6 hours of inc on time 8 hours of inc on time and 10 hours of inc on time. The results just keep getting better. Currently we are on the full 11 1/2 hours of on time with the Halogen inc's.

Stick to your rule of thumb for the use of your UVB bulb

Personally I think you will never go back to the UVB bulb again..:thumbsup:

Hey Dogz,

Thanks for the info. First off I am a caregiver but I am an unlicensed caregiver since I live in a state that does not recognize the medical value of mj. That creates it's own set of problem's for me, but I've been doing this for over 20 years now regardless. Hopefully I can get the info when it comes out somehow, I'd even pay if need be.

I have been using clear red INC as a source of far red 730nm trigger. Not near the ration you are using for the halogens tho. As to testing the clear halogens in place of the UVb I'm using now, it may be possible, I'll start to look into it. It would seem to be worth an experiment, maybe after this run gets done in abt 6+ more weeks.

I will probably have to adapt a little with your rule of thumb for halogen use tho. My personal grow is an LED/T5 hybred and the 420w of LED (& 320w of T5) are really not the same as 420w of HPS, adjustments will have to be made. In a new setup over a aero/fog try I was just getting ready to add my clear red party bulbs, I may look to add halogen instead. But I'm using my 2 TI pro-blooms over the tray and I'm not sure how much I'll need, I will do some thinking about that.

Thanks again for the info and input. Keep on growing- oldmac

Mac...I didn't know you were using red inc's during your day time lighting... Well hell.... All you have to do is get rid of them... Red inc's are great for PAD lighting not so good for PAL lighting (Day time lighting).. Switch them out for the clear halogens I was talking about.. They have way more far red then red inc's do Plus they are over twice as photosynthetic.. Play around with the amount of wattage you use and how long you want them on BUT.. Trust me switch out them red inc's. The more clear halogen inc's you can use in your set up the faster you can get the clock moving (during the day time at least) and the faster you can get the trichs to sparkle like diamonds...LOL Hint, Hint....
Try it..... I think you will be suprised...:thumbsup:

As far as you being a caregiver.. It sucks about the state you live in but my state within the last year made medical user and caregivers legal.. Yes it's great but there seems to be a lot of caregivers now coming out of the woodwork looking to rip patients off. I'm currently a caregiver for two patients and will only teach them how to grow there own at their Home. I believe in the (teach a man to fish and he eats for life) theory.. Yes I know there are patients that can't do it for themselves... That's why the world needs people like yourself.. I commend you my friend.. Personally I can't believe how much gratification I get in helping the two current patients I have. I went to a couple of local companion clubs and met a lot of nice people and a couple not so nice..LOL Did some interviewing and selected two complete strangers that I have not known before and teach them for FREE... I think I found my calling...:thumbsup:

P.S. Yes I think it will be offered to the public for a fee.. I'm just not sure when that will be.. I will nedd to post that when it become avaible..

Sorry I think forgot to say this.... I'm talking about normal screw in style clear Halogen light bulbs. Standard clear inc's work but not as good as the halogens do... Hope to see ya soon on top of what I like to call Snow Cone mountain...

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I'm adding UVB to my own grow as the vented hoods I'm using block all the blue/UVB out. I'll be placing 4 4 foot Reptisun bulbs at least 20" away from the plants & keep them on for 5 hours a day. I got that advice from someone on the forum who had done it before - but it's trial and error with us. I'm anxious to hear your results & see your conclusions. I'm not using the UVBs yet as I'm still in veg (but ill be very soon) you can check out my grow journal. Best of luck to you. :rastasmoke:

I had to jump in this awesome thread as well! UV-B is a hidden element in indoor growing that is a HUGE secret to some consultant growers I have met in person. Anyhow I wanted to get your thoughts on using these because its for a aquarium the site says, BUT.. it is in 460-470 NM... All I am asking is will this work?
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Hello SOGMaster,

Those lights will not add any UVb, they fall into the middle of the blue range and at a good point for that. They would work perfectly fine rooting cuttings, starting seedings and for the first few weeks of vegging.:)

For UVb reference, it falls between 280nm-320nm.
Hope that helps.

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Sorry I think forgot to say this.... I'm talking about normal screw in style clear Halogen light bulbs. Standard clear inc's work but not as good as the halogens do... Hope to see ya soon on top of what I like to call Snow Cone mountain...

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Hey Dogz,

I just came across a couple of clear halogen inc's, 100w each with candelabra bases, left over from some experiment many many years ago. I may try to set something up, and use them in place of the T5 desert bulbs I am using now. The two halegens would equal 200w vs the UVb bulbs of 160w, I'm willing to go 40w more to see the top of Snoe Cone mountain. The ultimate test will be if I try it with some cancer weed I've been growing called "apricot". It does not produce trichomes on it's leaves no matter what I've tried with it.

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I'm adding UVB to my own grow as the vented hoods I'm using block all the blue/UVB out. I'll be placing 4 4 foot Reptisun bulbs at least 20" away from the plants & keep them on for 5 hours a day. I got that advice from someone on the forum who had done it before - but it's trial and error with us. I'm anxious to hear your results & see your conclusions. I'm not using the UVBs yet as I'm still in veg (but ill be very soon) you can check out my grow journal. Best of luck to you. :rastasmoke:

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Hi Apollonia,

Glad you stopped by here. I, like you are about to do, use UVb for a few hours in the middle of the photoperiod and only during flowering. RustyTrichome had gotten the idea from someone he trusted, that the use of UVB should start during flowering. Unfortunitly he could not carry on the experiment for personal reasons. I was just wondering if you would be interested in enlisting with an experiment? We are not doing anything real fancy here, more like with and w/o and simple observations. I've been trying to figure out a way to do it, but since I veg for so short it makes it difficult.
Need not be side to side comparo's can be back to back runs of something(s). Need not start immediately, I know you're busy with your grow start up now, but we will be here for awhile. And it will take a long time, so sometimes we just hang out on the porch.....and watch the grass grow.:)