Bush: Bad president? Or WORST president EVER?

As far as I am concerned, we didn't vote him in the 1st time. I believe the second time he was just shoved up our collective butts.
And I'm convinced that this man is the Anti-christ. I see no soul when I look at his eyes.

I'm downright scared at who they will pick for the next Pres... I have to say that if it's "Insane McCain" then I'm outa here. For good.

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

At the time much of the intelligence used, verification of the authencity was not complete. There is no doubt in my mind they manipulated intelligence to make their case to go to war. However it's the method they used to sell their case, there's no way anyone can prove they lied, that's the magic of puffery. No one can prove intent. No one can prove they fabricated evidence. No one can prove they intentionally used faulty intelligence to go to war.

If that were the case, wouldn't the democrats have jumped at the chance to impeach Bush? They know that they don't have a case, nor can they prove it.

The day the lies are affirmed is the day it'll be in history books. Until then you'll have people like Rusty who could still make a case that the Iraq invasion was legitimate.

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I guess a person doesn't need to prove that they've been lied to in order to KNOW that they've been lied to. It might not stand up in court, but I know I was lied to, and so does most of the country.

Until the day that these lies are confirmed, anyone can have an opinion on whether Bush lied. 99% of people can believe Bush lied and nothing will be done. That's only shows how powerless dissent is in this country. Until there is hard evidence of such, Bush lying won't be considered to be legitimate by the mainstream. The first step before any changes need to be done is to make puffery illegal, otherwise the government are able to lie to people. As of now, it's completely legal to engage in puffery.

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

Until the day that these lies are confirmed, anyone can have an opinion on whether Bush lied. 99% of people can believe Bush lied and nothing will be done. That's only shows how powerless dissent is in this country. Until there is hard evidence of such, Bush lying won't be considered to be legitimate by the mainstream. The first step before any changes need to be done is to make puffery illegal, otherwise the government are able to lie to people. As of now, it's completely legal to engage in puffery.

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Wait a minute .... did they legalize "puffery?" WHERE THE HELL WAS I WHEN THIS HAPPENIED?????? I'm grabbing a handfull of joints and heading out in the street to engage in legal puffery!!!!! Woooo hoooooo! Puff! Puff!

hahaha.

The irony of it all! The good puffery is not legal :(

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

hahaha.

The irony of it all! The good puffery is not legal :(

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NOW you tell me.

I'm thnking you said it's legal, so I go out in the middle of the street smoking the fattest joint ever. A cop rolls up and asks me what the hell I am doing, and I blow the smoke right in his face and say, "Ha ha, dumbass! The BongMan just told me it's legal! Even Bush is engaging in puffery now! So you can kiss my hairy a--"

BAM!

Next thing, I'm face down on the concrete with his knee in my back! I get tased for about five minutes, soaked down with mace, and then frog-marched into the cruiser and sent downtown for booking! I'm shaved bald and stripped naked in a holding cell with crackheads, killers and rapists!

So thanks a lot, bro!








(Disclaimer: The above is all "puffery," and should not be taken seriously.)

My bad :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

It's not like he made shit up out of the blue. He took data/argument/case and projected it to sound more severe than it really was.

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you are very correct. What you're talking about is coined by Chaim Kaufmann as 'threat inflation'. He goes on to talk about the marketplace of ideas(you know, news, people's opinion) as having failed during the run up to Iraq. In a democracy such as America, the marketplace of ideas is meant to be a sort of check/balance to the government power. It's referring to your voice..supposed to be able to stand up and say WTF..he's throwing us for a loop, right?
Well, the threat inflation carefully executed by the Bush Administration is why the marketplace failed.

If you want more, look for Chaim Kauffman's
Threat Inflation and the Failure of the Marketplace of Ideas: The Selling of the Iraq War
International Security - Volume 29, Number 1, Summer 2004, pp. 5-48

I would've chosen worst ever but I have insufficient info on anyone before 1900 so I opted for bad instead.
Warmonger.
Cheat (I still don't believe he got in to power legally)
Imbecile (He reminds me of a Spitting Image puppet) Spitting Image - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia