Trying Kush this time around. Ill let you know how it turns out.
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Trying Kush this time around. Ill let you know how it turns out.
Tranoble,
I've been lurking for a long time.... 1 question :)
Why not use a Piolet Light CO2 generator in a Sealed room?
I just bought a beefy generator, and it is a Piolet ignition CAP gen-1 4 burners.
What, in your opinion, are the drawbacks of piolet lights?
In a sealed room the Co2 dosent get exuasted. The plants eat up all the Co2 thats why the sealed room works so well. The pilot light burns while the lights are off and that builds Co2 in the room. You do not want to give your plants Co2 while your light are off. Thats why a Co2 burner that uses a glow plug is much better. Hope this helps you understand why people dont use a pilot light in a sealed room. Any more questions just ask.
Tranoble,
From my understanding, plants do not use CO2 when the lights are off... No photosynthesis, no CO2 being consumed. Also, a Piolet light burns very small amount of gas over the "lights out" period. I am guessing, but I do not know, that this will not build up to very high levels of CO2... maybe +200ppm from baseline??
That said, I guess I assume it is not harmful to plants to have 1400ppm CO2 when lights are off, becuase they don't know it's there, plants don't care... can't see it/sense it....right??
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bacause a pilot light can go out.
Think of it this way. If your room is at 1800 ppm right before your lights go out and you have a pilot light, whats going to happen? Your ppm is going to keep climbing cause there is no where for the Co2 to go. The plants dont take in Co2 when the lights are off so having a pilot light is a bad idea in a sealed room. You could try it out your self but you will fild out the hard way.
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Originally Posted by noruas
ok this will be my last post on the subject, I don't want to clutter up your (awesome) thread!
I guess I just don't understand why CO2 during lights off is bad? In the Jurassic period, and before that time, Atmospheric levels were around 1200-1600ppm. Plants evolved to what they are today during this period, this is why plants are capable of thriving in CO2 rich environments. In this period, of gigantic flora and fauna, rich levels of co2 were constant. This is my backround understanding when approaching this "nighttime co2" issue..
1) My CO2 levels will never be higher than 1500 ppm, set by my CAP ppm-3 meter/controller.
2) Even if the plants are exposed to 1500 ppm of CO2 over the night, what is the troubble with this? Why is this a bad thing? OR does it matter at all? (Clearly this is not ideal, because it is a waste of gas!)
3) My "Sealed" room is not 100% sealed. I do not expect a CO2 PPM of 1500 to stay constant without supplemental burns from the generator. When the lights go off and the controller goes to "sleep" the CO2 in the room should drop to atmospheric levels +2-300 ppm co2 from the Piolet. I expect nighttime CO2 levels to be around 500ppm in my room, with a piolet burning.
The piolet light could go out, that is a substantial point, and one I am worried about. I will have to see how this thing does in a wind test with lots of fans on over a long period.
Sorry to ask so many questions, but this is my illness... overanalyzing everything :o
I really can't wait to see some Kush in your room, keep us posted!
peace
I started growing in the sealed room about 7yrs ago. Thats right around the same time they first came out with the glow plug Co2 burner. The glow plug burner was made for the sealed room. The pilot light burner was tested in the sealed room and was considered damaging the plants while the lights were out. Im not sure of the exact resons why but i do remember it was because the pilot light was still burning while the lights were out. Im sure you could add a small exaust to come on while the lights are out. Then your room would be exposed to some things that the sealed room helps to prevent. Sealed room is good for helping to preventing out side smell, blite (powdery mildew), and bugs.
Tranoble, I have just read this entire thread, simply amazed. I used to grow hydro and would always put down my buddys who would grow in dirt. But now I'm going to copy your setup on a smaller scale. Thanks for all your info and the time you have put into this.:stoned:
hey i'm looking to get information, pretty detailed, about starting an income generating op such as yours. i too am in canada and was hoping that i could exchange e-mails or something with you to get some tips and pointers
anyways you can always reach me at [email protected]
Ask away. Sorry but im not exchanging emails.
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Originally Posted by lostincanada
yes tran good move . and again great thread.. its what ill be doing when im your age bro.. some serious growing..
Peace
N LOVE
Tranoble - When do you fire up the Co2? Do you use it during Veg and through stretch in flower or do you wait until the buds are filling out? The reason I ask is that I am afraid the plants will want to stretch too much if I give them Co2 too early.
Peace -Jay
I fire up the Co2 somewhere around the end of the 1st week of Bud. I dont use it in Veg.
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Originally Posted by CaliJay
Another thing i dont think I mentioned before is dont use Pro Mix. Use Sunshine Mix #4. The Pro Mix burns your plants.
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Originally Posted by Tranoble
How's that?
Take a small handfull of Pro Mix and put it in a beer cup and fill the cup allmost to the top with water. Stick a PPM pen in the cup and let it sit over night. The PPM will be somewhere around 1100 PPM. That is way to much for clones. I find that they will burn and be very slow to take off. Every time I have told someone this that use Pro Mix they have come back to me and told me that I have solved alot of problems for them.
Ya, that is a pretty steep PPM for new cuts! What does #4 read at?
It is very possible you just saved a Buddy from another disaster and if this is the case...holy fuck do we ever owe you a fuckin beer and a bag for the tip off!!!:baggy:
I'm thinking that you might be referring to the "new" HP as well? Buddy had success with HP the last time he used it from a black bag (yrs ago). Then he went to #4 again for no real reason. However, the last 2 crops he used HP from the white bag and had nothing but problems. It was also a new strain and he thought it was the strain being a sensitive bitch. Buddy has a new strain for next week..so I'll mention he might as well use #4...just in case:)
Another Buddy..he just planted 2wks ago the same strain as the two fucked up crops, but in #4, and while they do seem to be touchy...they look waaaay better than the first 2 runs in White HP.
Allmost every person I have talk to have had problems with the HP. I told them about the PPM and they too told me I have solved so many problems for them. For the PPM in the Sunshine Mix #4 im not sure but i think its about 300-400 PPM.
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I have been using PROMIX HP for 2 grows now, blended with FFOF and dry amendments (kelp, alf-alfa perlite, lime). I have not had the mentioned problems, but I do water at peak 600ppm with organics becuase of my soil mix is already "hot" due to amendments.
Good thing to test, I will check the Promix HP white bag with my meter!
nice info
what up ive read this whole entire thread and im getting together my own system just like yours.. my only question is what my best bet would be to get enough clones to have 25 plants under each light. i know i'll have to start out with a lot less but im going to be starting from seed (mazar) and i was wondering what the best way to go about doing it was. this is what i was thinking: germinate and let the seeds go threw veg... take clones of all the veg phase then flower them all and see which are male/female etc.. then after i have hopefully about 5 females (the seeds are feminized) im going to make them mothers and put them under a 18/6 400 watt hps just to keep them in veg state for a long time. After that im wondering how i would go about getting the most clones otu of the mothers. if i take 2 clones from each mother every week while there in veg that will mean ill have 10 clones every week. now if i let those clones root and it takes 2 weeks the other clones will be behind and this will keep going on so i cant put them all into flowering at the same time if they are all weeks apart in there life. i know its confusing but its been killin me thinkin about it... so what im thinkin about doing is taking all the clones from the mothers and instead of putting them into flowering just keep putting them under tghe 18/6 hps light until i have about 30 of them then just cut them to all be the same height and every week take 1 clones from each one and have 30 clones . is it goin to work if all the mothers are just clones that are all older than eachother like that? because all the plants are going to different ages but if i keep them under the 400 watt hps for at least 18 hours a day i know they will stay in veg. is that the only way ill be able to get 30 clones a week?
does this tranoble strain have an other name? It sorta looks like power plant. I could not find it on the net.
Also, did i see that micro/grow/bloom correct...almost 2liters for a 50gal res?
Well, I Measured my promix runoff and it was 2000 PPM.
Plants were very unhappy this time around, I flushed them real good, but it compacted the containers so much, that I think this crop is all but ruined. The Promix compacted about 2+ inches when I flushes to rid the high PPM!!
Thanks for the heads up Tranoble, I guess I have always cut the promix with organic soils in the past, never done straight promix HP
I am using Promix HP (white bag)
Tranoble, I see you say you strip the bottome inches off the plants at day 10...do you see a decrease in yield by doing this. I have a very similay setup to you and i am a little curious.
I find when you strip off the bottom 4-6 branches at day 10 that the tops are much bigger. This allso gets rid of alot of waste on the bottoms of the plant. My plants are so crammed that the bottom branches dont get much light and are pretty much waste any way. Try it out you will see your buds are much bigger in the end. Not really any small buds that got to waste after drying. My ziplock bags are stuffed and find it hard to close the bag cause they are so full.
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Originally Posted by dusto2k3
I have never grown from seed. I think i understand what you are saying but you wont beable to grom plants in different stages while growing in tables. I guess you couse do it if you were growing in buckets but you would have to keep them seperste and keep track of what stage there in if you use different food schedual for every week. Why dont you buy your clones and grow them all at the same time. Then if you want to do mothers take cuttings off the bottom branches before you flip them into bud. Then you will have enough mothers to take clones from for your next time round. Good Luck.
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Originally Posted by esc0bar
Hi Tranoble. I read your thread. Very interesting, a lot of good info. My setup is aeroponic, 6 x 33 site tables under 6000 watts of light (one for each table) using adjustable reflectors with a light spreader under each bulb. I needed to move my grow op. for security reasons and am now going for a sealed environment. I have 10Kw of A/c installed. My concerns were for co2 usage, which I don't have experience with. I'm going to buy a burner with a pilot light as I can't locate blu-ox over here (Europe). Its not a big deal since the gen. will be outside the growroom, the room being tubefed. This keeps growroom heat down and imo its much safer to have propane/burner at a distance. You mention that you use 2 x 20lb tanks per grow. That seems pretty reasonable. I've done my co2 calculations, but the variable is plant consumption. What you are indicating is that co2 use is not that huge once the room is up to the desired ppm ?
I noticed you had an air scrubber listed in your equipment. This is something else I will need to install in my grow. Smell suppression is very important in my new home. How big a scrubber/fan do you use in yr. room ? Does it entirely suppress smell ?
A word about AN : I tried them a couple of years ago...the full program recommended by their website. Hugely expensive, like $1000 in nutes for a grow ! I honestly didn't see an improvement on the GH nutes I normally use.
Oh, one more thing, Tranoble. My non-enhanced co2 flowering times are 55-60 days. Given that co2 significantly increases plant metabolism, how shorter is the flowering time ?
Comment on your yield : Amazing yield for dirt. Well done. My aero setup, per table of 33 plants, will usually yield me with 50 grams per plant (2 oz). of dried bud. Thats nearly 1.6 kilos (or 3.5 lbs) per 1000w light. How do I do it ? Simple. The right genetics, right environment, right nutes, right pruning of plants, right grow system. I end up with a plant which has five main branches, is about 2.5 feet tall, with colas 4 inches across (genetics I use are big bud - a special mother found among 100 bb plants and NL#5, again a good yielder.) I'm really curious as to how much more I can push growth with co2.
Im not sure what size scrubber you should use. I would ask your hydroponic store. The one I use is good for upto 40 1000w lights. Its the biggest one i could find. It works great for killing smell. Cant smell a thing. Using a pilot light will give off Co2 while your lights are off. You dont want to give your plants Co2 while your plants are in the dark. When your lights first come on is when you use the most Co2 then once your room fills to the PPM you have set then it kicks on and off to keep it steady.
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Originally Posted by houdini
Tranoble, thanks. o.k. re. the scrubber. For yr. info. my co2 gen. and propane bottle will be in a concrete garage 12 ft. from my growroom. So no worries. I don't think the fact that a pilot light generates co2 is a big deal. Ambient co2 in greater or lesser concentrations exists naturally in the atmosphere. IMO the bigger problem with a pilot light is the actual light it gives off in a dark growroom, posing a problem for complete darkness.
oh man im hooked on this thread.. cant wait to see some pics
Tranoble, I'm using prom,ix as well, what are you adjusting your PH to?
I dont use ProMix. You shouldnt either. You will have nothing but problems. Stick to SunshineMix #4.
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Originally Posted by dusto2k3
Thx again for the tip Tran. Buddy went back to #4 and things are rockin' back to normal specs.
This was also his first time using that one part FloraNova stuff, having always used the 3part before. The Nova is kickin ass! I'd have to say honestly...best veg run I've ever seen. He'll supplement with a blooming product if it doesn't look like the FloraNovaBloom alone isn't keeping up by week4. He is however also using a couple new strains he got his hands on that are proven performers.
Cheers.
Oh shit...that's what I was gonna ask ya...almost forgot.
Buddy keeps his plants at 8" spacing on center and keeps up with the pruning about every other day on them and is done any pruning as well by day10 of 12/12.
Do you prune at all prior to day10?...or just go in and rape'em all in one shot around day10? Was just curious about that.
Thats beutifull.
How much volume of water do you use per 8' x 8' bed during each watering? Does this amount increase as plants mature? What is demensions of sealed room in height x width x length in feet? How many btus does your AC use and how many sqare feet is it rated for?
Do you actually raise CO2 levels to 3500 ppm during the last week of the feeding schedule before flushing? This question is based on your posted feeding schedule total ppm. Are the numbers listed in your feeding schedule in ppm? What conc. do you use for all other additives that you mentioned usng?
I strip then all in one shot on about day 7-10.
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Originally Posted by Stuper Star
I couldnt really tell ya. I start off with about 25 gallons for 14 lights then it increases as the plants mature. I only give my plants enough water so they need another watering when my lights come on the next day. Hope this helps.
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