Global warming

OK, I apologize if anyone felt my post was against anyone, it wasn't, I just spotted the radical comment and used it as my example. Seems both sides are making some if not a lot of mistakes here.

(I have not read all the posts in full, why I'm not getting in the discussion here)

HOWEVER, I notice that people are in agreement that the climate changes, and is changing now. Whether or not it's supposed to be doing what it's doing is the point of contention, from what it looks like.

So I'd like to offer a suggestion of direction for everyone. Go look up how, in terms of earth cycles and such, the climate SHOULD be changing right now, based on historical evidence. Second, see if the climate has ever changed as rapidly as it is said to be changing right now.

I do not know these answers and I can't look them up right now (Class started again today and I've got to work the next 5 days) but if anyone wants to put a crippling blow into the others argument, a look into those two things might help.

And since I haven't read most of the posts, if this has already been addressed/resolved, ignore my babbling.

The only problem with "fact" is that no one was around when the earth took a crap last time. There is no hard eveidence. Just some left over residue and theories from different people as to what it means. Hell, even though most people can agree on it, no one is 100% sure on what killed the dinos. You see my problem? If there was a guy with tools and a notepad with pen 10 million years ago and he's been writing shit down, then I might have a little more faith in the numbers. I still think what everyone does to hep the environment is great (I'm an outdoors guy myself), but I'm not gonna be 'scared' into making a huge life change over some speculative ideas and theories.

If everyone else on the planet went insane, would that make me crazy?
lol

Mother is going to fix it all soon

I might not be a geological scientist but I'm pretty sure they can predict the overall change in climate throughout history fairly accurately, actually. If you feel they can't, I'd go get an accredited source saying so and not just mentioning how you don't trust scientists.

Also, if the climate is changing in an unnatural way, another point of contention is, what exactly is causing it? I can be convinced fairly quickly that humans are affecting things somehow but exactly WHAT is doing it and by how much is completely unknown to me and probably most everyone.

Yea, I know they can take soil samples and whotnot and get a pretty good idea of what probably happened a million years ago and Im sure there's some pretty valid points to me made for ruining the environment. Like I said, I enjoy the outdoors its sometimes easy to see where mankind has dirtied everything up. sometimes what seems bad can actually be a good thing (like sinking ships offshore) but most of the time it's just harmfull. I we should do our part to do as little damage as possible, but as long as we live on the planet, we dirty it up.
Unless we want to run around naked and eating whatever falls in our lap, then well allways put a strain on the environment. Any creature without a predator will. I just happen to beleive, not stating a fact, but only an opinion that whatever we do, we will be exterminated at some point and the earth will live on. Call it a religious beleif if you want, but it is what it is. I completly support and stand behind anyone who wants to make the world a cleaner place. Don't let me or or anyone else change your mind otherwise, but don't be surprised if I don't join you in the fight.

To deny global warming is to claim not to see your hand in front of your face.

LIP i'm very disappointed in you. I thought you were smarter than that. How do you argue with unanimous scientific consensus with a straight face and maintain your "insult my intellect at your own risk" persona? If you were american, i could see it, but a brit global warming denier? for shame. You are aware england is an island, yes? And you're also aware islands are at the biggest risk, yes?

Wouldnt it be wise to err on the side of caution when we're talking about breathable air and drinkable water? I live in america land of the global warming deniers, and have no doubt in my mind there is climate change occuring. Bears arent hibernating in spain and russia, swiss and french and italian ski resorts are having to close because THERE'S NO SNOW, and the top of maccu piccu covered with snow for 20,000 years is as bare as can be.

If you challenge the existence of global warming, i challenge the existence of your brain.

But there isn't a hand in anyones face. Just a bunch of facts when put togther with a story make sense. Not necessarily the wrong story, but a 'best-guess' story that's probably right. That doedn't mean it's the only story, just the only one that makes sense to us at the moment.

Fact: CO2 gets trapped in our atmosphere, and prevents the sun's rays from exiting our atmosphere.

Fact: CO2 levels have never been anywhere near as high as they are at this moment.


Where's the guessing part?

lets rays in but not out eh? never since when? strange "facts"

global temperature flux is NORMAL, but if we dont do something to prevent ozone degeneration we WILL be in serious trouble.

Global warming is real folks! Just as some of us rely on science for our selfish gain as humans, we must believe the science that supports this potentially devestating reality for our mother earth. And since we haven't properly positioned ourselves in space like Stephen Hawking suggests, generations will suffer and wither dead with no where to go and it will happen sooner than later with all the ignorance. As suggested by Garden Knowm and others, see or buy the book of Inconvenient Truth. Do your research and quit spreading bullshit.