god can not exsist

heres your choice you can be an "inderpendent guy who says nuu uh! i dun belive in no gods" and get sent to hell or you can just belive in him and go to heaven the worst that can happen if you belive in him is it will be true there isnt ago and you will experience the same feeling you had before you were born...utter black nothingness but as for me I think these nothing you got to lose by beliving in jesus, however if u dont belive in him and it ends up being true he exist well your screwed where all you independence as a non-beliver for the rest of eternity to sum it all up - belive in god and you wont burn forever you have nothing to lose

where is it proven that any area of existence has to exist for a reason?

Firstly I wouldn't describe myself as religious, I'd say agnostic but open minded.

The point of why would suffering occur if god existed, well surely then if god merely prevented everything negative then free will wouldn't exist. God is merely a guiding force who some people choose to ignore. Also without pain the concept of pleasure has no meaning.

No matter what your outlook you have to admit in general religion has plenty of positive messages, honesty, respect to name a few.

The point that the world and the human body is so well designed that it must have been devine intervention I believe is flawed. If the universe is infinite (I don't believe it is but thats not the point) then the laws of probability is that somewhere there will be the perfect series of events which bring about the existence of the human race.

I personally don't see how people can be so dismissive of something which has no evidence to the disprove it.

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Originally Posted by dirty raider

I personally don't see how people can be so dismissive of something which has no evidence to the disprove it.

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Because, for the 1000th time in these forums; nobody can disprove that gravity isn't invisible fairies rotating the planet through shear fairy power. every imaginable concept for the nature of the universe could not be disproven if it were made it the main human belief. including that guy we use to explain it called God.

Gravity at least is understood and proven, so whilst the idea of magical fairys could be true there is at least evidence which would suggest otherwise.

The Bible if taken not quite as literally does tend to agree with science on a fair few points e.g The idea of let there be light is very easy to imagine refering to the big bang and the order which god created the various things on the planet such as the land and seas is actually pretty accurate as well, also it has been proven that all human life can be traced back to one woman.

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Gravity at least is understood and proven, so whilst the idea of magical fairys could be true there is at least evidence which would suggest otherwise.

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gravity is somewhat understood, but far from proven. the whole theory on bending space time, which is (in simplistic terms) how gravity works, is only the most valid theory, first proposed by Einstein (newtons theories were just a basic first step).

but the fact remains, there's still many things we do not understand in the universe, including gravity by 100% at one time, and everything that we used to never understand and still don't, is attributed to god by default until we prove otherwise, which is an incredibly flawed approach.

i hate god.

I concur. If God existed, I would hate him. In the words of Mikhail Bakunin: "If God is, man is a slave; now, man can and must be free; then, God does not exist...A jealous lover of human liberty, and deeming it the absolute condition of all that we admire and respect in humanity, I reverse the phrase of Voltaire, and say that, if God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him.

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist...state_ch1.html

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

I concur. If God existed, I would hate him. In the words of Mikhail Bakunin: "If God is, man is a slave; now, man can and must be free; then, God does not exist...A jealous lover of human liberty, and deeming it the absolute condition of all that we admire and respect in humanity, I reverse the phrase of Voltaire, and say that, if God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him.

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist...state_ch1.html

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You know man, I was never religious at all, but I didn't care what other people ever believed in. As time goes by, I'm beginning to see and realize how religion is really so much more harmful than people think. Its ultimate goal is to lift Responsibility off the shoulders of humankind and place it on some imaginary being, no matter wht the religion. Instead, it is human intellect and conscience and resaon that should be idolized. We can fix everything ourselves, we don't need some imaginary omnipotent being to do anything for us.

God has a sense of humor and is laughing his ass off at us, right now.