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Dam InsuranceGuy it must have taken you almost all day to post that.LOL
There haven't been any program numbers published at the NMDOH website since 29 August. Before this, they published updated numbers every two or three weeks. The numbers must be much larger now.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFO
You're right, though. PTSD and Chronic Pain account for about 2/3 of the total enrollment. I've got two friends who I think could get onto the program with chronic pain, but they just won't apply. They fear they might lose their jobs over it. They smoke anyway. Makes me think some people will avoid the program because of privacy concerns.
Last year, while doing my wife's renewal paperwork, I noticed that they had added my own chronic disease to the program, so I applied for myself. My rheumtologist insulted me and threw me out of his office (literally) when I asked him to certify me. He has a political problem with the program (Fox News kinda guy). So I fired him and got another Dr who is friendlier, and knowledgable about cannabis, able to talk intelligently about both the good and the not-so-good of it. He was happy to certify me.
I've encountered several people who probably could get onto the program if they worked at it just a little, but they are shy to ask their Dr about it. If there is a problem with the NM system, I think that is it: that people and Drs are discouraged because of fear, and maybe a misplaced sense of shame at being a pothead.
Thanks, alfonso. I'm glad to find some NM cannabis folk to share info with.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfonso2002
I'd like to support the non-profits. I realize they have invested huge amounts of money and effort to build their businesses. I do occasionally buy edibles and herb from one of them, just to mix it up a bit, 'cause it gets old vaping the same strain every day. Frankly, some of the non-profit herb isn't as good as what I grow. But if I could afford it, I'd just buy all from them, and grow very little. The problem for me is price. Until it gets down to around $50/oz I'm going to be out of that market.
Welcome to the forum, allwx and welcome to the NM MCP.Quote:
Originally Posted by allwx
We all wish the price could be like it was in the 60's, but with the limits in place and the high costs to produce so few plants, the price will never go that low IMHO. If you only want to pay $50/ounce you can find Mexican Schwag. I don't think you will be able to find medical grade. Unless you only want trim and shake for edibles. Next year the oldest producers will have a $30,000 relicensing fee to pay to the state. That fee alone represents having to sell 600 ounces (37.5 pounds) at $50/ounce. Just don't see our dreams coming true any time soon.
Have been watching "Weed Wars" on cable and I don't see any NM producer becoming anything like Harborside, but I also don't see medical grade cannabis retailing for $3.12/gram ($50/oz). How do you propose the producers pay all of their bills at that price? The independent growers in CA aren't even [I]wholesaling[I] at that price! I heard $5/gr purchase price from the grower and I would have to believe the dispensaries have to at least double that to the patient. When I hear Harborside report their sales are down $200,000 this year to last year and the IRS has hit them with a $2.5 million tax bill (not including penalties and interest)...I have very little sympathy. Even though the tax bill is based on disallowed costs, the tax represents 35% of only the disallowed expenses of $7.2 million and they have had a profit and have paid income taxes.
If you ever find medical grade at $50/ounce in NM, please share. We would all love to pay that for our medicine. Keep on growing.
Here is a link to DOH and some new numbers New Mexico Department of Health - Medical Cannabis Program wow amazed at the avg.per plant weight.The 31/2 oz. seems a little low.So if we go with those numbers If the producers have a 5 plant harvest weekly that is only about 18 oz.s a week to me that don't seem like much.I hope they are talking dry weight. LOL But to be more serious 100 grams a week lets pick a number say 12.00 a gram and you got 5 plants if my numbers are right then that is only 6000.00 weekly. Not a big number when you have utility's, rent, nutes, labor, and things we can't even imagine.Sometimes I feel for them but the ones that can hang-in there in the long run things should work out.OH I am forgetting the renewal fees how could I forget that.In those same numbers the patient count is close to 6000 5495 of those they say the total active number is 4310 but you can read what you want in those numbers.Allwx your friends are right to be worried about there jobs the program offers no protection in your workplace.No need to worry about privacy HIPPAA policy is in place. As far as doctors go there is a problem most need to be educated on medical cannabis. I for one am not ashamed to let ANYONE know about the program and my involvement in it. Pothead??? give me a break that term no longer applies to medical use of cannabis. As you can see I can ramble on and on but just keep up the posting on what you think is relevant.
I have some sympathy for the non-profits. Their costs are huge, especially now that the state is hitting them up for huge annual fees. I just saw that the first NP, SFINM did not renew, and maybe because the $30,000 yearly fee (!!!).
Plus the expense of growing. Yes it costs money to grow well. I've been growing indoors now for 3 years, am still a very dumb newbie at it, but getting better every grow. I know full well how much work and expense goes into growing. Realize $50/oz for med grade is impossible, but that's probably what I spend to grow my own, maybe a little more, but not much, now that the startup expenses have been amortized by 3 years of growing. I'm just saying that in order for me to patrionize the NP any more than I do, the prices would have to be real close to what I'm paying to grow. I imagine most home growers are doing the same math. It's a tough situation for the NP, because the home growers are mostly out of reach to them. After all, their entire market is only around 4k people, and around half of those are growing their own never step foot in a NP. Honestly, I don't know how they do it, with 25 of them and able to grow more than 95 plants now.
That's why I feel for them. In the early days there was near zero supply. Now supply has caught up to demand, and exceeding it, I'm sure. This is why I have a recurring fear that the NPs will pressure the DOH to change the rules, or go to the legislature and pressure them to change the underlying law, such that home grow is either eliminated or modified to make it much more difficult than it already is. They could justify it from at least two good arguments: First, that the home grows are not regulated becuase of lack of staff in the department, so there are fears that the weed is finding its way into the neighborhoods. Second, that the NPs cannot survive unless the ENTIRE market is captive to them. Those two arguments would only have to debate with the libertarian idea that people should have the right to grow their own food. So it would probably lose. I hope that doesn't happen, 'cuase if it does our medicine bill is going to go way up and we're going to have to start using it more like we did with the old moldy bagweed, where it was smoked down to the dirt and stems in the bottom of the bag.
allwx we can dream but I think CFO is right the 50.00 an oz. can't be done growing in doors too many costs involved.Even at 200.00 an oz. is pushing it. I myself am at about 150 an oz. when all my costs are added.But like you say you can take pride in what you grow and you know what was in your product. and yes variety is the spice of life. CFO I too do not have any sympathy for Harborside 22 million in sales a year and yes NM will never be like that. The producers have to grow there OWN med.s here yea they can do business with the other producers as far as product but they can't buy med.s off the street like they do in Ca.
Now now allwx let's don't start getting paranoid that will not happen.DOH would rather have everyone grow there own than to have to oversee all the producers.I think both those arguments are mute and the producers sales are not dependent on those that do grow.there are a lot of PPLs out there but very few that can actually grow there own med.s the cost involved to truly grow medical grade are very very high. Plus the part time job. "I hope that doesn't happen, 'cuase if it does our medicine bill is going to go way up and we're going to have to start using it more like we did with the old moldy bagweed, where it was smoked down to the dirt and stems in the bottom of the bag." I pray for all of us.
This got me to wondering what exactly my costs are to grow. They probably are more than $50/oz. Especially since I don't grow for massive flowers. I pretty much let the plants enjoy their short lives, have plenty of time to veg and make pretty branches before making them flower. I tend to cut them down earlier than later hopefull while most of the big leaves are still nice and green. I use very little nutrient. Nothing in the first month and never more than about 1/3 to 1/2 the recommendations on the bottles. So while I do get some fairly big flowers, some might consider them small. I don't mind small flowers. They fit more easily into the vape whip without having to be cut up. So, my $/oz ratio most likely is not as good as it could be, and probably higher than $50/oz and maybe closer to your $150.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfonso2002
I too don't mind small buds if the stuff is dank. I try to get as much out of what I plant so I do use quite a bit of nutes> I use foxfarm brand and do mostly organic but I do use a little synthetic. As far as pest control I use only neem oil if that don't fix it I will just pull them and call it a loss.Me too don't like my leaves to die before I harvest but I pull most of the large fan leafs a couple of weeks before I harvest. Those leaves are put in my compost pile. The smaller sugar lefts are used to make butter or oil. We can't afford to not use all that we have. I have had good luck growing clones that I get from producers.That way I get to have a good variety of meds. Don't know what area you are in but here in abq. area no problem finding plants.