If 420 is legalized 100% in november...

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Originally Posted by boaz

^ no offense, but I'm not really buying the NWO arguement for voting no, either. Sorro's has helped germinate more than a few med States. do you really think its all a vast conspiracy. even if it is, and it could be, do you really think voting yes or no on Prop 19 would alter the master plan. my guess is they have contingency plans for both paths.

vote yes but keep an eye on them. :stoned:

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No offense taken at all. Everyone thinks differently about the topic, but since you asked, I do think that this is a huge conspiracy, its just what the government does. I'm not questioning your intelligence, but if you have ever done some hard research on Monsanto and the Agricultural division of the United States, you will find that this sector has extreme levels of power. Monsanto has ruined the lives of farmers in America, India and Canada with GMO seeds. This just isn't about med states anymore, this is about the integrity of the cannabis plant that we know today. Who cares who is a med state or not; the Federal government obiviously doesn't care either because there are still busts on caregivers throughout these med states.

In the end, I still think that Monsanto will change the face of Cannabis as we know it whether Prop 19 is voted yes or no, but voting no will at least give us and the Cannabis plant time to prepare. The recreational smoker will be gone with the wind in fear of the prosecution of growing seeds that did not come from Monsanto. The genomes have been mapped, the genes that produce THC have been found, plants have been produced to never clone, plants with no THC are being produced as we speak. This stuff is very real, whether you want to believe it or not. If I lived in California, I would definately vote no on the matter just to try and give the industry more time to collect seeds and be ready to go under ground again. Cannabis will never be legal in the US, California seems like a pawn in pushing a new agenda. Believe me or not, in the it is up to all you who can vote. I'll just be here collecting all the landrace and pure stains I can get ahold of, the future will need them.

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Originally Posted by jetta17

... but voting no will at least give us and the Cannabis plant time to prepare.

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I think I'd much rather spend my time "preparing" for monsanto et al by sitting cross leg in my living room smokin a doober rather than sittin in some jail cell tokin on some guy's joint; if ya get what I'm sayin.

Yes on 19.

You're just playing into the hands of the prohibitionists. They don't care why you vote no, just that you do vote no.















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And there you have it.

People who THINK, versus people who "toke on a doober".

Stoners can't grow. Stoners can't work. Stoners can't think. They want "the gummermit to put down those owful profit seekers so I can git my smoke cheap - and the good stuff too! Oh yea, and sum food stamps so I can get ma munchies ... "

It wasn't that long ago that there were more of us than of them. We are now outnumbered.

I shouldn't care. Hell, I'm almost 60 so it'll be ok for the rest of MY life. But, I feel bad for America. It used to be such a great place. The Socialists have taken over. We lost. It took 200 plus years - but, it's over.

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Originally Posted by jetta17

No offense taken at all. Everyone thinks differently about the topic, but since you asked, I do think that this is a huge conspiracy, its just what the government does. I'm not questioning your intelligence, but if you have ever done some hard research on Monsanto and the Agricultural division of the United States, you will find that this sector has extreme levels of power. Monsanto has ruined the lives of farmers in America, India and Canada with GMO seeds. This just isn't about med states anymore, this is about the integrity of the cannabis plant that we know today. Who cares who is a med state or not; the Federal government obiviously doesn't care either because there are still busts on caregivers throughout these med states.

In the end, I still think that Monsanto will change the face of Cannabis as we know it whether Prop 19 is voted yes or no, but voting no will at least give us and the Cannabis plant time to prepare. The recreational smoker will be gone with the wind in fear of the prosecution of growing seeds that did not come from Monsanto. The genomes have been mapped, the genes that produce THC have been found, plants have been produced to never clone, plants with no THC are being produced as we speak. This stuff is very real, whether you want to believe it or not. If I lived in California, I would definately vote no on the matter just to try and give the industry more time to collect seeds and be ready to go under ground again. Cannabis will never be legal in the US, California seems like a pawn in pushing a new agenda. Believe me or not, in the it is up to all you who can vote. I'll just be here collecting all the landrace and pure stains I can get ahold of, the future will need them.

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thank you, jetta. you may be right, you do make a good case. :)

now ... that said, think I'll just toke on another doober and ponder it a bit. :rastasmoke: :D

i have constingency plans for either way, too. :smokin:

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Originally Posted by OhNoYaDont

... Stoners can't grow. ...

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they can't now but cause its illegal. vote yes on prop 19 and they can. :jointsmile:

as i see it people will get what they've wanted for years. it will help raise money for the state. law enforcement can now fight real crimes instead of easy non-violent crimes which shouldn't be in the first place on citizens. i say vote yes and end this fight because other states will follow. prohibition is a failure and always will be.


Prohibition is a Failure

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Originally Posted by greenghost

as i see it people will get what they've wanted for years. it will help raise money for the state. law enforcement can now fight real crimes instead of easy non-violent crimes which shouldn't be in the first place on citizens. i say vote yes and end this fight because other states will follow. prohibition is a failure and always will be.


Prohibition is a Failure

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I'll tap in my two cents again. I seriously don't think that this prop is here to resolve issues of prohibition, the larger goal is to dominate cannabis through the pharmacutical industry. The whole goal of prop 19 is to allow for Commercialized Cannabis and to allow Monsanto to put his University of Mississippi Schwag onto the market. California will soon put many regulations on the culivation of cannabis. There is an issue larger than prohibition looming in prop 19.

Sorry to seem like a downer on every one's parade here, but once Monsanto gets mentioned anywhere near a species of flora, you know the business is about to go very sour. (In the case of prop 19, some of the top sponsors have very interesting ties with Monsanto Corp.)

Jetta, votiing for the right to smoke and grow will not necessarily condone genetically modified seeds and Big cartel laws that go along with it. In Europe they have outlawed gentically modified seeds of any kind and prosecute Monsanto and the like if people are caught using them.

Your argument doesn't stand up if you look at what has happened in Europe.

PS. even if Monsanto comes up with their patented genetically modified seeds, that doesn't mean that everyone has to use them!!!! I grow all my own vegetables and have never used a Monsanto seed.

Get Real. This is about civil liberties and you wanting to protect some kind of income that you have now.

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Originally Posted by nugssgalore

Jetta, votiing for the right to smoke and grow will not necessarily condone genetically modified seeds and Big cartel laws that go along with it. In Europe they have outlawed gentically modified seeds of any kind and prosecute Monsanto and the like if people are caught using them.

Your argument doesn't stand up if you look at what has happened in Europe.

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I am quite aware that they have banned GM seeds in Europe. The thing with letting GM seeds through the door so easily is that you are also going to let in gene polution. Although this polution may never affect our generation, its the future generations that will have to deal with this crap. Even though you don't use GM seeds now, future generations may not have the same luxury if GM seeds are allowed to break into the markets. Cannabis is almost guaranteed to be GM. Dutch breeders are in on the market too, why do you think that everyone is pushing feminized seeds?! Gene pollution can ruin all wild genetics if allowed to spread. I'm all for human rights and all, but I am also trying to think about the future of this plant. Also, don't worry about me, I can't even vote on 19. I am just trying to bring up some points that many people are looking past.