High-five brother! Woohoo!! :rastasmoke:Quote:
Originally Posted by DTRave420
And everyone else! :)
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High-five brother! Woohoo!! :rastasmoke:Quote:
Originally Posted by DTRave420
And everyone else! :)
hells yeah Obama! Even if we ignore the milestone of America putting aside their racial differences and voting in (well...letting the electoral college vote in for us, but that's a whole other annoyance) our first African American president i have to say: Hells yeah!
And here's why, assuming he keeps his campaign promises;
-Universal healthcare: fuck ya-yeah, 'bout time we caught up with some of the other "civilized" countries...and i need health insurance damnit! hahaha
-Putting taxes back where they were before Bush decided to gives all his buddies a break: the rich are rich enough, they don't need coupons i can't get ("coupons" is an analogy, keep up with me here, hahaha)
-Withdrawing from Iraq: finally we can focus on getting the terrorist douchebags that attacked us 6 years ago instead of "nobody beats up my dad and gets away with it!"
- Aaaaaaanannd (if he'll finally give a straight answer on this now that he doesn't have to worry about offending one side or the other) marijuana decriminalization! do i really need to say anything more about that in a place like this?
But for all the McCain supporters still sulking and crying foul out there, let me drop my favorite analogy about this election thus far:
If Bush was a happy meal, then McCain's a big mac. The big mac may be a step up, but it's still fast food. Order a steak, support Obama.
"If Bush was a happy meal, then McCain's a big mac. The big mac may be a step up, but it's still fast food. Order a steak, support Obama."
The only problem is neither option is FREE RANGE! we're still choking down the same artificial and hormone pumped meat.
lol loser speechQuote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
OBAMA '08
Don't forget providing tuition at community colleges free in exchange for a period of community service after graduation. Hell the F#<K yea.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeddaLiddleHI
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Originally Posted by Delta9 UK
Remember, remember the fifth of November,Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
The gunpowder, treason and plot,
I know of no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.
It's funny how the verse is a condemnation, but Fawkes is also a kind of folk hero.
The McCain campaign and the right-wing media, like Rush and Hannity, made a lot of the idea that Obama is a radical leftist. I never got that from him myself, and it will be interesting to see how he governs. Will he go to the left or be more of a centrist? Will he claim a leftist mandate?
Bush made a lot of his imaginary "mandate," and it turned out he was not a "uniter, not a divider," like he said he was. He had power, but not a real mandate. His idea of bipartisanship was to invite the other side to vote for his bills exactly the way he wanted them, not to compromise, and if they didn't like it, he shoved them down their throats with his majorities in Congress. I think that attitude is partly how Bush destroyed the Republican party.
I have a feeling Obama will be a lot more of a centrist than people think, certainly a lot more centrist than Bush was. This was a pretty decisive Democratic victory, but a lot of the Democratic gains in the House and Senate came from conservative areas of the country, and unless the Democrats want to experience the same backlash the Republicans just experienced, they are going to have to have some discipline and govern as centrists.
Most of the people of this country are centrists. The Republicans lost sight of what the people want, and they used their power to govern too far to the right on many issues, despite having no mandate to do so. I think Obama is smart enough and also charismatic enough to keep the Democrats from abusing their power the way the Republicans did.
The other thing for Democrats is that they are now going to have to put up or shut up with solutions that really do work, or they will get tossed out next round. Ideology is one thing, but it doesn't always really WORK in the real world. With the kinds of problems we have right now, if you don't offer real solutions that work, people are not going to take it, no matter how ideologically "pure" your programs are.
One thing I expect to happen, and it's something I really look forward to, is that I think Obama is really going to call on people to SERVE in the national interest. I think people are ready for that. I think people want to be called to do more than just shop and spend and keep the economy moving. Obama's opponents made a lot of fun of his record as a community organizer, but I really think that his community organizing experience is what won him the election. I had registerd at his website and made a donation, and you would not imagine the opportunities offered to be involved. It is a very sophistcated organization and network that communicates and organizes through a lot of different channels, and that is not going away just becasue the election is over. Reagan had similar networks of motivated supporters in the days of snail mail and landline telephones. Imagine that same network in this era of email, cell phones, and text messages. This is going to be very interesting. I think he will be able to get popular support behind any agenda he wants to push, and I also expect he will call people to serve outside of that kind of role as well --- direct service to communities and to the nation to get things done.
George W Bush - Forgotten, but not gone.
I agree. He leans a little left, but he's not a full-blown socialist and definitely not a communist so I think he'll end up leading around the center, though with a few leftist leans.
And to everyone complaining about socialism and ruining the country...Neo-conservativism has been in power since Ronald Reagan took office, with only a couple of short breaks.
The fact that we're not completely crippled as a nation is due mostly to globalization of corporations, methinks (ugh).
This election proves the ideas of trickle-down economics, expanding government while lowering taxes, and other neo-con ideas are outdated and no longer desired by the majority.
Just give the liberals a chance, just one.
If only so you can reform your party :)
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
haha, yeah. i also thought it was funny Guy Fawkes day was the day after we elected a president that was accused of being a terrorist by his opponent.