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Originally Posted by Weedhound

I'm a strong DIS-liker of coco myself I'm afraid.

How about photo of the mom in contention?

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Sure.. why not.. She has some blemishes but I don't think the camera will even pick it up..

sigh; just got out of a frustrating thread. Seeing your post, for some unknown reason, has lifted my spirits. Let me bust out the camera... BRB

There's two things I want in my grow: control and control.

coco: not enough control to be hydro......too much work to be soil. And I've heard of tons of issues with it......I think Dai just did his homework and headed off a lot of of its potential problems. I think if he'd not had hurricane Ike he most likely would not have had any grow problems at all but that's true I'm sure for ANY medium......not just coco.

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Originally Posted by TheMetal1

What kind did you use? I've been checking it out a lot lately... and there are a few that have been getting awful reviews. Low pH like a muuuuuufunka. On the other hand... some people are saying it's the best thing since goosefat :rasta:

And did you use coco specific nutrients?
- actually, can you use soil/hydro nutrients in coco? I'm assuming you can use hydro nutrients since it is soilless.

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It depends on the process they use to make/sterilize the coco. Some coco you have to soak in ph'd water; but if you buy a quality coco like Canna or b'cuzz (I think bcuzz) they do not steam their coco to treat it.. the coco never touches the ground and it is free of pests.

Canna coco is certified by some horticulture agency (pretty big/important from what I last remember but I forgot their name and acronymn).

I have an entire video on coco from Canna explaining the good/bad of coco depending on how it was processed. I'll see if I can encode it and get it up on youtube. It really gives alot of insight even though a large portion of the video is just a commercial for Canna.

Ha....I'll go get a pic of my gal as well and we'll compare......:D

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

There's two things I want in my grow: control and control.

coco: not enough control to be hydro......too much work to be soil. And I've heard of tons of issues with it......I think Dai just did his homework and headed off a lot of of its potential problems. I think if he'd not had hurricane Ike he most likely would not have had any grow problems at all but that's true I'm sure for ANY medium......not just coco.

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Never done hydro so I can't say much for it, but as far as it being too much work for to be soil.. well I have to strongly disagree. Yes I have to water once a day, but for the lack of problems and incredible growth I've seen in compared to a soil/peat based grow I have to say coco beats it hands down.

I think a lot of the hit/miss people are having with coco is the brand they buy (different manufacturers process differently. You don't want a coco that was processed by steam.) and that they don't understand that coco wants to complete for calcium and I believe more on the slight side.. Nitrogen.

Using coco specific nutes helps with this in addition to supplementing a little extra than usual with calmag. Treat the medium as if it were hydro ( I feed between ph 5.6-5.8 now) and she will do you great. I think a number of people try to treat it like a soil grow and see mediocre/average results.

Had this hurricane not come through I think all my plants would be twice as big and without a single blemish on them. It's a shame ike came through.

However when I make my move into my house in a few weeks I will begin mothering some other strains. Can't wait to see how it performs with no power outages or extreme circumstances preventing my grow from being all it could be.

Pictures coming up. I need to resize the images.

ha ha....I'll say the same thing to you......if you use quality soil you'll have a lot less issues in soil as well, same as coco so I think its a matter of the quality of your equipment.......and with a good soil like FFOF all I really need to know is how often to water.

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

ha ha....I'll say the same thing to you......if you use quality soil you'll have a lot less issues in soil as well, same as coco so I think its a matter of the quality of your equipment.......and with a good soil like FFOF all I really need to know is how often to water.

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Different strokes for different folks. I actually used FFOF during flowering and I was not impressed at all. The soil was too hot for me to start out vegging in, and really I felt it was hyped up once I started using it in flower.

Even with perlite it retained a ton of moisture, came prenuted (which I guess is good if you don't mind not knowing how much of each nute you have total sitting in your medium) and was really friggin heavy. It didn't release moisture fast enough for me to water twice a week like I needed to. All in all I was not impressed; at the time though I thought FFOF was pretty good.

Now that I've touched quality coco FFOF looks like crap to me.

Another benefit to growing in coco is... well. it's very hard to outgrow your pot, create ph lockout issues or make conditions where your plant will die.

Had I been growing in soil I am confident I would probably have a number of issues.. Soil pests, stagnant water retained in the soil, root issues (due to not being able to care for the plants).

The coco created the ideal environment for my plants while I was unable to care for them. I don't think I would've had the same luck in soil. After I get this plant turned into a good mother I'll do a side by side Canna coco VS Fox Farms Ocean forest grow. Everything will be identical with the exception of the medium.

And finally.. here are the pics; the plant didn't look as great in the pictures but she looks beautiful in the light. Especially considering what a horrible week she's been through:

You can see her first set of true leaves... They look thin and worn; this is probably due to lack of air circulation, light and other things. There is some very slight calcium def. spotting but the camera didn't pick it up well (you have to be very close to the plant in person to even notice it well).

Considering she didn't have air, light, fresh water or any proper care for a week I'd have to say she's looking kind of sexy.

I'll post new pics of her in about 4-5 days to show how much she's recovered/grown.

2 days ago her leaves were yellowish, she's gotten greener since I fed her/put her back under HID.

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Originally Posted by TheMetal1

Edit: Dai... just saw your post below. I feel ya bro. I wasn't defending a side... just an idea. You know you, know what's up :rasta:. Don't stress... let Mary J do her thing.

BUUUUUUUUUNGGGGG...

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I know dude.. I don't harp on people for having a point of view, that's everyone's right. I was pissy because I was trying to initiate a genuine discussion with that guy and he was just being a douche purposefully back to me.

He got a rise out of me.. which I should not have given into. Don't worry, I have no qualms with you or really pretty much anyone on Canna.com despite what people may think about me.

Lol how funny! Well that's why they make both chocolate AND vanilla my father always used to say. :)

That is a nice plant dai.....no signs of that curly crap that these gals sometimes give me. She should make a great mom.. :thumbusp:

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Lol how funny! Well that's why they make both chocolate AND vanilla my father always used to say. :)

That is a nice plant dai.....no signs of that curly crap that these gals sometimes give me. She should make a great mom.. :thumbusp:

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Thanks, I have plenty of the curlies as well.. lol I was going to chop them but I figured I might as well finish them while I'm mothering this one plant. It will give me some bud I wouldn't ordinarily have.

I have 2 other potential mothers. They are just babies in comparison to this one. But they came out great and are not doing that swirly crap either like most of the other ones.

We'll see. :hippy: