I'm not sure there would be an argument if those arguing didn't either feel superior, threatened, or maybe even a little insecure.
Junk,
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I'm not sure there would be an argument if those arguing didn't either feel superior, threatened, or maybe even a little insecure.
Junk,
You can argue without feeling any of those things. Not to say that isn't some people's motivation, but they certainly aren't mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
A person can certainly debate a topic without these motivators. I think argument is something different altogether, tho. I don't know your heart bro, so I cannot comment on your motivation, but more often than not these are the roots for argument.
What's the topic, anyway? :D
Junk
I think most of it in this one is stemming from people disagreeing with other people's logic.
Science literally means knowledge, faith is the lack thereof, so I don't exactly know how the thread starter proposes jumping from trying to acquire more knowledge to just having faith, or even if that's the intent at all.
In any case, I disagree with many assumptions being used as fact that the thread starter is making, so I call them into question.
Science is a study of facts; faith is more like [experiencing] something unseen, unverifiable in scientific terms.
The bible defines it as this:
Faith is the [substance] of things hoped for, and the [evidence] of things not seen. Only through personal experience can one come to faith. There are those whos faith is blind, lacking any evidence; those who follow for sake of following, hoping without substance, so to speak. (Vanity in its worst form, imo.) Blah!!
We all have science, Hardcore. A sound Faith however, is not so easily attained; it comes from experience.
Junk
I like that idea. Is it saying that no one can convince you from your path except something supernatural?
Define supernatural.
This doesn't prove that God exists on any level. This is just explaining that we are alive, and that it is a miracle that we are alive. It's the same thing as intelligent design, except you explain it in-depth and lightly dabble on science. Science and God cannot be combined, because there is no real science that can prove it or disprove it, otherwise we would have already been able to prove or disprove it to everyone.
My mind is not changed. I will remain agnostic. I used to be a christian, but to me it's all just bullshit. What I truly think the people who wrote the bible saw were aliens from other planets, who were visiting us at the time. It's a fact that people in those times saw alien spacecraft, because there are drawings of them. It would certainly make sense for people back then to believe it was some sort of God.
I truly believe that this sort of thing was indeed written in the bible, however, it was removed from it. Yes, your bibles are edited. Why wouldn't they be? Don't you see that religion is just another system of control that has controlled the whole world for a millenium? Look at all the wars that have been started purely because one other set of people did not believe in that particular religion. A loving God wants to spread the word of him through conquest? Give me a break. No, I don't think Satan did it.
Religion has been the most powerful and effective system of control for thousands of years... and it still controls the world effectively. Look at what the Evangelicals are trying to accomplish. That's right, they want to control our government, and get rid of the separation of the church and state. Yes, let's all go back to medieval times where religion ruled all, and if you didn't believe in christianity or catholicism, you were a demon and had to be dealt with. Give me a break!
Anyway, I am not trying to offend anyone, just saying what I think. If you took any offense to it, I apologize.
Don't get me wrong, I believe in the supernatural. I, however, do not believe there is much of a probability of there being a God. It's possible, sure, but very improbable - at least in my eyes.
There's no reason to believe in religion unless you can't find happiness yourself, or you don't understand how to abide by your own set of morals. It's for sheep!
Again, I apologize if I offended anyone.
I guess many things could be supernatural. talking donkeys for one. I really have a problem with that :p
But, if a donkey (which I've only seen in person a couple of time, I used to live in the country) talked to me, would I accept that as something that could *only* be explained by a higher power? or would i say that it could have been me... not hallucinating, because that draws comparisons to drugs, but daydreaming?
I honestly don't know. I guess it'd all depend on how surprised I was and how real it seemed. I guess what the donkey had to say would be important to. If it said "get a sandwich"..... hehe
It doesn't have to be attributed to some god or divine entity. That could be attributed to the supernatural, however. Or perhaps it could be attributed to evolution. Maybe somehow that donkey was a very rare breed who has evolved beyond all the others, and had gained enough intelligence to speak in a human way! Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
Ghosts, and whatever, I believe in (at least there's some sort of visual evidence of this, many around the world have claimed to see ghosts - but nobody has ever claimed to see God, only "feel" his presence. Of course, that's just them tricking themselves). I believe in the astral plane, all that stuff. I don't believe in a divine entity, because there's no reason to. Am I afraid to go to hell? No. If there was a god, I would go to hell... and that's fine with me. At least I would have lived my life the way I want to, rather than listening to some dude in a church, whose only want is to get your money from the donation plate. Lol, it's so lame. Religion is cult-like, doesn't anyone realize this? Brainwashed. I believe religion should be abolished from this Earth forever. What REAL good has it caused? Looking at it in the whole, throughout millenia, what good has it caused? Tell me. Wars to spread the influence and control of it? Is that good? Maybe to Satan, right, because he must have caused those wars. Haha.