GOD IS EVIL OR Not allpowerful

God is supposed to be this mighty entity able to create anything o.o he could do anything create a planet, Create life or do w/e

Now we look at the facts

God is all powerful?

God can see all the evil in the world he has the power to do something about it so he chooses not too so we look at it this way

God doesn't care/Meaning he could careless about the human race

God can't do anything/ Meanings he's not all powerful

God doesn't exist/ Meaning no one can do anything cuz god doesn't exist


now one of those statements is true. I mean would he rather let us fix the world? and possible destroy it in the process, how can he not do anything to something he created. Thats like us not trying to protect our child. anyway o.o I dun want to start a huge debate these are not my thoughts I mearly read about them and posted them for a second prespective on the subject.

Ps: forgive my grammer I'm rather tired...:o

what's evil?

I always thought about that as a kid in Sunday school. It would be better that there was no God than some monster sending people to burn forever in hell because they didn't believe in him.

And now, as an adult, I'm glad that's the truth.

Masta, you happend to be wrong on both comments.

He's a righteous judge and he's omnipotent and all powerful . I completely disagree with your thoughts. Do you have a problem with the law putting criminals in prison? I don't. You fail to understand that his judgments are righteous. You can call him evil all you like, and I'm sure criminals curse the law as well.

aaaa. The problem of Evil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_problem_of_evil

ps- god defined what was evil. Like killing. Thats why you go to hell for it

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Do you have a problem with the law putting criminals in prison? I don't. You fail to understand that his judgments are righteous. You can call him evil all you like, and I'm sure criminals curse the law as well.

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lol..this is coming from someone who goes by 'Pass the Shit"?! Kinda hypocritical, don't you think?

we're just a shitty school project god made a long long time ago, now we're in the back of the closet. now god's rippin' the bong and listening to Pink Floyd. Honestly, we're the last thing on his mind.

yes but god created sin. when he designed the universe he would have complete power of all that was and all that will be. In fact given the stipulation on god would he have free will? he is all good so he can only do good. he would have had to prevent the creation of sin. And what could have stoped him. ignorance, nope hes all knowing. Not able to, nope all powerful.

then what

answer: he dosn't exist

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Originally Posted by Benny Beanstalk

we're just a shitty school project god made a long long time ago, now we're in the back of the closet. now god's rippin' the bong and listening to Pink Floyd. Honestly, we're the last thing on his mind.

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thats what i would think too. why are we so important. I think it's just humans desire to be important.
we like to be important. Thats why we used to be the center of the universe.

yea, man... i bet some other planet has us on some sort of planetary house arrest. thats why we suck at space travel, and it gets fucked up half the time. it those damn aliens, each one has us on lockdown, damn those aliens.

Hey, you're the one who is 15. You would be closer to the CREATION and G-D so I suppose you would know. I mean Mick Jagger smoked some pot and made a movie with Ed Anger back in the early sixties and they thought it was evil. It really depends on the crowd you are hanging with.
I mean some guy I was talking to the other day told me that masterbation was the root of all evil. This he told me, after 3,500 times at the flagpole. I always thought it was healthy and very benefitial. Sin is when you include a women in your mind and in your bed.
I wouldn't worry about evil. Pot is not evil, dude.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

Masta, you happend to be wrong on both comments.

He's a righteous judge and he's omnipotent and all powerful . I completely disagree with your thoughts. Do you have a problem with the law putting criminals in prison? I don't. You fail to understand that his judgments are righteous. You can call him evil all you like, and I'm sure criminals curse the law as well.

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His judgments are righteous? god is in control of everything. tell me whats so righteous about living in poverty and shit like that. Look at this God created satan. He created evil he lets evil run amok. He can stop evil at anytime but he doesn't cuz he doesn't care or doesn't exist. Your god abandoned you? or your god never really existed in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Hamlet

lol..this is coming from someone who goes by 'Pass the Shit"?! Kinda hypocritical, don't you think?

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By the way, it's PASS THAT SHIT and fuck the law :pimp:

I live by the law of the LORD. I have been freed from the law of sin and death. I was just making a reference to all you that question why God puts people in hell. First of all, none of his children are going to hell. I was just pointing out that the same principle applies here on earth and no one has a problem with it. You follow the law or you go to prison. Same applies with the law of the LORD. If you don't follow his law you will end up in eternal prison. The difference is that the law of the land will not make you righteous and his law will. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Masta Stuff

His judgments are righteous? god is in control of everything. tell me whats so righteous about living in poverty and shit like that. Look at this God created satan. He created evil he lets evil run amok. He can stop evil at anytime but he doesn't cuz he doesn't care or doesn't exist. Your god abandoned you? or your god never really existed in the first place.

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Lack of wisdom and spiritual understanding on your part, doesn't make him unrighteous. Are you saying that you believe that God created evil? Are you saying that you believe that God exists?

lol, like I said in my first post its not my belief, there not my thoughts I just thought it would be an interesting topic. I hope someone of your attitude can grasp the subject of a simple discussion instead of getting into a debate, that I did not want to generate. But there will always be that one person who defends what they think and has to resort to a argument to persuade the other person that they are wrong. Well I cannot be wrong or right considering thats not what I belive in.

So telling me I have lack of wisdom or spirtual understanding, is like telling me I'm already wrong before I'v even chosen a side. but my fellow stoner I ask you to please enlighten me tell me what do you think and I would not want an arguement just a simple explanation on how My topic is untrue or false. Please Enlighten people and show me how much wisdom and spiritual understand your brain holds.

Y'all want to say god gave us free will and he loves us? Here is my question.

Why the hell is there a such thing as evil? If we are "gods children," would he not want the best for us? Since he is all powerful, why are we not living in a utopia?

Either god is an asshole, indifferent, or he doesn't exist. It makes no sense to say he loves us, yet lets us die from aids, cancer, murder, etc. I'm sorry, free will is BS.

Is this just a training period for the afterlife? Than why wouldn't god simply create us in the afterlife. He knows who is going to make it anyway. If we were loved, we would not be subjected to all the pain of this life.

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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge

Y'all want to say god gave us free will and he loves us? Here is my question.

Why the hell is there a such thing as evil? If we are "gods children," would he not want the best for us? Since he is all powerful, why are we not living in a utopia?

Either god is an asshole, indifferent, or he doesn't exist. It makes no sense to say he loves us, yet lets us die from aids, cancer, murder, etc. I'm sorry, free will is BS.

Is this just a training period for the afterlife? Than why wouldn't god simply create us in the afterlife. He knows who is going to make it anyway. If we were loved, we would not be subjected to all the pain of this life.

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Great Point :)

hey this thread got me thinking that god likes acid cause reality is fractal.. :smokin:

we did a problem like this in my logic class that is worded better than what he said.

you really messed this up, that paradox is like this.

according to many people's beliefs, god is all knowing all powerful and all good.

god is either not all good, not all knowing, or not all powerful.

because bad things happen. if he were all knowing he would be aware of all the bad things in the world, if he were all good he would fix all the bad things he saw, if he were all powerful hed have the ability.

so, since bad things happen, he either isnt aware of all of them(not all knowing), is aware of them and chooses to ignore some(well lets be honest most) of them (not all good), or he is aware of all of it, wants to do something about it, but cant (not all powerful). there for he is either not one of the three or doesnt exist.

i do not believe in this one way or the other, i dont really think the existence of god and religion is something you can really be sure of one way or the other. sure you c an say you are, but how can you be certain of something you have no proof for. but then how else did the universe get here, im familiar with the big bang theory, but what caused that? so i believe in some higher power, but i think the rest of organized religion is bullshit. my point is i dont see how we can have devout atheists or devout christians.

now that said, i hope none of the people posting here are the same people that when defending weed say god put it here for a reason so it must be good. based on what ive read ill assume they are not those types. well bringing religion, something that cannot be proven, into any serious argument is a bad point either way

God simply lets us choose what we (mankind) prefer. If you prefer evil, then he allows it, and if you prefer good, he allows that aslo. Choice is key, and we determine our own fate, and submit to our own desires. He's really a cool cat, but our actions have consequences. Be they here on earth, (Which is what I suspect) or be them in an afterlife (Which I doubt)

He lets us choose w/o making us do a damn thing! (Now thats parenting, haha!) Its almost like he doesn't exist at all...

We're in control being the dominant species on earth, which is why man has made laws to govern civilized society.

Much Love,

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Originally Posted by Masta Stuff

God is supposed to be this mighty entity able to create anything o.o he could do anything create a planet, Create life or do w/e

Now we look at the facts

God is all powerful?

God can see all the evil in the world he has the power to do something about it so he chooses not too so we look at it this way

God doesn't care/Meaning he could careless about the human race

God can't do anything/ Meanings he's not all powerful

God doesn't exist/ Meaning no one can do anything cuz god doesn't exist


now one of those statements is true. I mean would he rather let us fix the world? and possible destroy it in the process, how can he not do anything to something he created. Thats like us not trying to protect our child. anyway o.o I dun want to start a huge debate these are not my thoughts I mearly read about them and posted them for a second prespective on the subject.

Ps: forgive my grammer I'm rather tired...:o

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"You find god, the moment you realize you don't need to find god
We exist, all of this, this is all god, we are everything
This is the kingdom, we are the people, so open your doors and breathe in deeply"

All those statements have a stint of truth to it. People are apathetic to change unless a "mystical" event occurs. But each person has the ability to be good, to change for the better. It's all up to each individual because we are apart of god.

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Originally Posted by suhl

we did a problem like this in my logic class that is worded better than what he said.

you really messed this up, that paradox is like this.

according to many people's beliefs, god is all knowing all powerful and all good.

god is either not all good, not all knowing, or not all powerful.

because bad things happen. if he were all knowing he would be aware of all the bad things in the world, if he were all good he would fix all the bad things he saw, if he were all powerful hed have the ability.

so, since bad things happen, he either isnt aware of all of them(not all knowing), is aware of them and chooses to ignore some(well lets be honest most) of them (not all good), or he is aware of all of it, wants to do something about it, but cant (not all powerful). there for he is either not one of the three or doesnt exist.

i do not believe in this one way or the other, i dont really think the existence of god and religion is something you can really be sure of one way or the other. sure you c an say you are, but how can you be certain of something you have no proof for. but then how else did the universe get here, im familiar with the big bang theory, but what caused that? so i believe in some higher power, but i think the rest of organized religion is bullshit. my point is i dont see how we can have devout atheists or devout christians.

now that said, i hope none of the people posting here are the same people that when defending weed say god put it here for a reason so it must be good. based on what ive read ill assume they are not those types. well bringing religion, something that cannot be proven, into any serious argument is a bad point either way

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yes it is called the problem of evil I put a link to it above

Does evil even exist, or is evil just a word to describe what we [mankind] find unpleasant, or immoral, or what seems unacceptable in civilized society?

I question wether the concept of evil is even valid, as it's a purely subjective thing, dependent upon our personal perceptions.

Everything just is, as its always been, and until we [mankind] look at ourselves, and stop pointing fingers at God, I don't think we will ever truly embrace that which is good for humanity, and for society.

God isn't evil, if he exist at all, he/she is a teacher above all else...allowing us [mankind] to experiece the unpleasant, so we might learn from our mistakes, and the mistakes of others.

It would seem that mankind is very thick headed, though. Either that, or we're too dumb to realize the consequences of our actions.

We're so busy trying to convince others that we're right, be it about religion, the existence of God, or what have you, we neglect the very thing that unifies. (Love)

I think the hippies [mostly] had it right....



Make Love Not War!

God did not create sin, sin came with the devil

Hail Mr.BoB

UnitedWeFall , I agree with most of what you said, only I'm not so sure about there being only perfect good in an afterlife. Humans are pretty fucked up creatures, and I doubt a mind change of that magnitude is possible when we die.

What I think, is that the earth will become exactly what mankind chooses to make it...a heaven, or a hell. This is our fate...the fate of mankind as a species. Not some afterlife, imo. Although, I can't argue the possibility of an afterlife, I just don't think it will be 'perfect' if there is one.

Much Love,

No, I don't believe in hell, either, nor do I believe in a perfect heaven. As a matter of fact, I question wether there's an after life at all. The earth is our home, and this is where mankind will make their stand.

I don't know what happens when we die, and I don't really think it's important. What's important is how we choose to live the life we have, and how we contribute to our survival as a species. That's my view, anyway. I know many poeple feel strongly about religious belief, and I won't step on toes, or try to convince them differently. I just want to help make the world a safe, and pleasant place for my children, and grandchildren, etc....

The after will take care of itself, right?

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Originally Posted by CheebaMan

God did not create sin, sin came with the devil

Hail Mr.BoB

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God Created the Devil, Thus created sin no Devil No sin.

Yeah, I think a lot of people take the Bible too literally. It would seem to me that if there is no Devil, it would make it easier for man to contend with evil, and such.

That way we're not fighting against some demonic entity, we're just fighting against ourselves, and our own desires, which should allow us to look in ourselves, as opposed to pointing fingers and exclaiming "The Devil made me do it", lol!

(Something all too common among the religious folk)

In essence, when you credit the Devil for creating/causing Evil, you give him power over self, which can be quite foolish, if you ask me.

Much Love,

If you read the Bible you'd know he gave Satan the power to control this earth for 1,000 years (In God's time, not ours). He is a loyal being, why would he go back on his word. Of course it's painful, he's probably fed up with the evilness to the max but once he does something he can't go back on his word. In the end rather it's real or not we will all see. So I say let's just wait and see :).

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Originally Posted by orangeman

If you read the Bible you'd know he gave Satan the power to control this earth for 1,000 years (In God's time, not ours). He is a loyal being, why would he go back on his word. Of course it's painful, he's probably fed up with the evilness to the max but once he does something he can't go back on his word. In the end rather it's real or not we will all see. So I say let's just wait and see :).

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Good point, but not everyone believes in a literal "Satan" Some say mankind is satan, some say the church, others say differnt things. The point is that no one knows for sure, and there is much debate over the subject.

The Bible actually states that God creates evil. I think it's somewhere in Isaiah. (Isaiah 45:7) Evil is from the hebrew word "Ra" which means many things, but most assume it means calamity in the passage I'm talking about.

As for me, I have no opinion on Satan, only that I don't believe he bends my will to do his bidding. I'm in control of what I do, just as everyone else is. The Devil has no power over me, you, her, him, as he is not an Evil entity set to destroy all good, imo.

I think the Bible suggests that Satan is simply an accuser, but I'm not cetain on that point.

So yes, lets wait and see, as its not very beneficial to bicker about things like this, lol! If you want to believe that satan makes you do what you do, then so be it. If you want to take responsibility for your own actions, then great, but I see no point in blaming God [who might not exist at all] for the evil in the world...

Sometime, mankind will have to take responsibity. If not, I'm afraid our state of affairs will end in extinction.


Much Love,

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Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall

Luckily for us, that 1000 years is very quickly drawing to a close...

My friends, I assure you that interesting things will start happening very soon ;) We're at the end of a time period here, as things on this earth are getting out of control. Each and every one of you are extremely lucky to be alive during this time, but it's going to be a fight until the finish. Just make sure you figure out (very soon) whose side you're on, because one day it will be too late to make the choice.

And please, for those of you who acknowledge the existence of God, but aren't quite sure what you believe yet, read this website http://www.askrealjesus.com/ - it changed my life.

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Dude ur scaring the fuck outa me

ya that is a really extreem view you are also scaring the fuck outa me

End Time Theory...The Christians have been using it to scare us for ceturies!

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My beliefs come from what Jesus has said on the website I posted.

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Jesus is posting on a website now?

it's more a a blog

Aah, yeah,...i can see jesus as more a blogger type. Much easier to get your point across too then having to hunt down someone hearing voices to channel you.

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Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall

http://www.askrealjesus.com/ - it changed my life.

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Whoa, guys I have only read one page of this web-site and I am blown away, my only question is, how did the person or person(s) that made this site get this knowledge lol? What ever the case, please read this. The site is just amazing already I mean, whoa.

http://www.askrealjesus.com/K_JESUS_...semankind.html

That page is deep.

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Originally Posted by UnitedWeFall

The person who writes the website has a direct connection with Jesus.

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Ok, fuck that now you're really scaring me :p. At first I burst out in laughter but I don't know what the fuck to believe now.

I gotta check out that site! :D

Orangeman, does that claim freak you out even a little bit?

gods just a thought.