Again another Light Question.

I tend to ramble a little, but bear with me please. Someone threw a seed in one of my plants (house, aloe) and Surprise! It sprouted. I tried to save it, although it took me a week and a half to get some decent lighting over it. I also transplanted it at this time (Saturday). I know it was way to early to do this, but I didn't want to wait to long with it being with that aloe plant (roots entertwining, ect;). Now it's first leaves that are not serrated are white and about to fall off, and the plantling itself is bright ass green. I bought 2 Daylight Eco LUX tube floros 6500K @ 3050 lumens each. Does my little baby need another color in addition, or is just dying because of the transplant? Should I chuck it, and just start over? BTW- I also have floro tube (labeled cool but it only puts out 650 lumens, small for aqarium) two cool cfl's 20watts each 1600 lumens, and one soft white cfl 23w 3000k 1100 lumens, but none of those are currently on the plantling. OOOH and also I have Miracle Grow for house plants... 8-7-6 would that be okay for ferts? Probably not high enough, but just asking, I'm thrify-er read cheap, lol. THanks in advance. Sabrina

The current lights are fine, and they should be only a few inches away from the plant. If the first smooth leaves (the cotyledons) are the only leaves that are dying, and the rest of the plant seems OK, then the plant is probably OK. And don't use miracle grow. For an inexpensive initial fertilizer you can use something like fish emulsion. But don't fertilize yet, wait till about the second or third week. Then if the plant takes that well you can use a stronger fertilizer if you want.

Here is a crummy pic. My Camera needs new batteries and I am about as still as a leaf in 90mph wind. It is yellowing a bit. Could I also have the lights too close? It's within an inch.

An inch is probably OK, although your seedling does look like it may be dying. You may want to start some new seeds now just in case.

THanks, that is exactly the answer I was looking for (well I was hoping it would make, but aw well it was an accident). Sabrina

dont throw it away just yet wait a couple of weeks mine looked exactly like that and it was doing really well after a week i used mirical grow as well. but if u check my thread out now as u will see i have lost every single one gutted or what hope it all goes ok for you

Here is a pic from this morning. I don't know, it might make it like you said.

That looks a lot worse, start some new seeds, at least three so you have a chance of getting a female.

lol, I have a few seeds trying to start like you said. I was thinking it looked better....HA. I know the color is worse but it did grow. I am still laughing. Thanks for that phytokind.

@phytokind
You taking the piss or what, where the hell did you learn about growth in plants. If i was you go back to google and actually read up on plant growth. Especially for cannabis, cause you dont seem to know what your talking about.

That plant looks fine and its not dying.
A lot of cannabis plants tend to start yellow as there new leafs come through and become darker.
Try moving the lights away to about 2" and not 1" as it does seem a bit close to the top of the plant.
As for not using MG, you can use MG. The best MG to use is MG all purpose, its NPK is 26-8-16. But dont start using nutes untill at least a month old and also if you do use MG use a dilluted solution not full strengh.

So how's your seedling doing now?

:o It has a new set of leaves growing, but by the pic you can see obviously slow. I finally figured the problem was the heat/dryness. I think I've solved the problem and it should green up soon. I flushed it too, because I am using a pre-mixed potting soil. I am calling it- IT- because all of the stress I have caused it! It's going to be a hermie prolly, so this is my plant to beat and abuse so I can learn. Sorry IT! Today I should have my three new sprouts...Hopefully I'll be a better parent to them.

Keep trying! It's amazing how you can change one thing only to discover that the plant does a complete turn around! Make sure his/her little roots stay damp/not dripping/not dry. What are you watering with? Can you check the ph of it? (Sorry, but it does not look perfectly fine to me can gro)

Thanks for taking intrest Weedhound- Well at first I watered it with well water (left out to temp/evaporate salts, the same I use for my houseplants) which it did fine with. Since the color change, I have been mixing the the left out well-water with distilled water. Bout 50/50. I am also have a rain collector out, but wouldn't you know it, it hasn't rained since!!!!!!! I don't have a ph ckr, but I really think it is the heat ( I had foil around it because for approximately first two weeks it had insufficient light...and I didn't remove it when I got the new lights, now foil is removed). Not to mention this grow is in my furnace room/closet (5'X6' guesstimate, the water heater and furnace are in there so subtract that room), lol. I definitley need to invest in a thermometer and a ph kit. What inexpensive ph tester do you suggest? Keep in mind I will not buy anything online...Stores available to me are Wal-mart, K-mart, Home Depot, and Lowe's. Although HD is farther.
As for my new sprouts....I used that premixed stuff, again....from Kmart Martha Stewart Product info: sphagnum peat and reed-sedge peat, perlite, and slow release ferts (i know now bad at this stage, but read) This product is regionally formulated from organic-based materials derived from one or more of the following: sphagnum peat moss, reed-sedge peat, composted forest porducts peat humus, a wetting agent, horticultural perlite, lime for proper pH balance, and a slow-release plant food. .09-.09-.09 They have a website...I am going to check it out, what should I look for? Or should I say screw it and go to Dollar General and get some cheap mix? I have vermiculite from growing some popular psychadellic fungus- I am aghast that I could grow those and not a simple weed- but no pearlite on hand. Let me know what you think my best possible course of action is at this point.

Sorry for the ramble, however I find myself high... Again thanks for the intrest.

I'm gonna say screw the soil I think....I have a new seedling trying to push through and I am watching it. Here is a new pic of IT...camera not very good but it is starting to green up and still new growth on it today.

Hey, I really don't know if anyone is following this thread, But, in case someone does a search on this soil...it's fine. My problems were heat induced. I have attached a new pic of IT, and IT's sisters. They had a little stretching, but I improved my ghetto set-up this morning. Please notice how much stronger/thicker the stems are in the new sprouts compared to IT. I am guessing the redness of my stems are due to warm conditions, but I don't know. IT's getting so old it needs nutes...but hopefully IT can wait til Friday when I go to town. Anyhow, thanks for looking! Happy :rasta: !

I just had to share two new pics of IT and it's sisters...Ava, Bea, and Cee-Cee. Look at the diffrence in the wrong way and the more correct way of raising a plant! The seedlings are only four days old and they are bigger than IT. I think IT is almost four weeks old. IT will be the tiniest plant ever!!! I am planning on getting a fan, nutes (mostly for IT since others aren't ready), ph kit-if I can find, new pots, and some lsting material tomorrow...thinking I am going to use yarn...I don't know. I have to buy so many things -the list keeps getting longer! Well I'll check back in with more pics on monday, hoping there will be a change. Any comments or tips are always appreciated. I wanted to mention- brookerosebud (if you read this) that your posts have helped me tremendously in choosing how I am going about the lighting. Even though I haven't conversed with you, THANK YOU! Also Thank you to all the countless others that have shared thier logs as well....I pour through everyone trying to absorb any pertinent information. Happy Toking everyone!

For those of you still following my first ever grow...Here are some updates/pics. While my photography skills are still lacking, enjoy. 1. Ava has some weird turn in her leaf...don't know what that is about. 2. Bea doesn't have good enough draining soil..but is doing good (or too close to light?? don't know), 3. Cee-cee is still the runt, but can't tell as much now. 4. IT is still the tiniest plant EVER! Also included pic of ghetto set up and cheap materials...I could have gotten something other than miracle gro, but I REALLY couldn't decide. There was a flower nutes and a pansy nutes...one was 12-4-8 and the other I cant remember, but it was a smaller number than 24 for nutes....no ph tester yet, hard to find this time a year? Comments always appreciated....Well if I don't hear from anyone- Till next time, Happy Tokin' S

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looks like you will have some nice compact plants if all goes well...
how many total watts you using?

Only 80 watts right now...2 40w GE daylight Eco-Lux 4' 6500K 3050 lumen tubes. I am going to add another workshop ballast and some cfl's when they get bigger ....I'd like to get an HPS, but I don't think I'd be able to keep the heat down due to the location in the house. The fixture was 7.50 and the tubes were 9.00 btw.

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where's the vermicultite and perlite?
I like the cd's, very effective in height control and abundant.
good luck

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where's the vermicultite and perlite?
I like the cd's, very effective in height control and abundant.
good luck

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I can't take credit for the cd's...I got that from, who was it, oh yah, you...Thanks, you saved me a lot of light adjustments! I have vermiculite (which has been in my garage for years, open not sure if I should use it), but no pearlite yet...I am finding this soil to start out airy, but I am not sure if it will stay this way with prolonged watering...I probably should tack it on to the list...Thanks!

you could use a drill or soldering iron to make tying holes in your square planters. I used tape for a while but it would come undone alot.
but yeah just live and learn....it always a learning experience
and i snaped the main growth tips on my clones from being stoned and fucking with them. It was weird....the stems were too "woody" in dexterity...no bend into them....snapped like a twig...made me angry.

Maybe I will try both the tape and the holes drilled in those waste baskets. I was thinking maybe I didn't have enough holes drilled into the bottom as it was..... Do you think that because you took woodier branches when you cloned that is why the stalk is too stiff? I was wondering about this while deciding if I wanted to clone or not. I was thinking perhaps...the wick method or whatever it is called. That'll need pearlite! Why did your profile say DEAD? S

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Maybe I will try both the tape and the holes drilled in those waste baskets. I was thinking maybe I didn't have enough holes drilled into the bottom as it was.....

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I need to do this to all of my pots as well

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Do you think that because you took woodier branches when you cloned that is why the stalk is too stiff? I was wondering about this while deciding if I wanted to clone or not. I was thinking perhaps...the wick method or whatever it is called. That'll need pearlite!

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This is what I think but who knows I'm no botanist. I want to try and make an aerocloner. Those seem fun. The peat pellet method did work for me with roottech cloning gel.

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Why did your profile say DEAD? S

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because satan commands it. attera totus santus

I was talking about this tek for cloning: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...ht=wick+cloner

did I read that on your thread? Cannot remember....i'm just a daum stoner, lol. To the point: What do you think of that method?

I noticed today that I am overwatering...mostly probably because the soil is compacting..so I have to pick up pearlite...what is the SOONest I can repot do you think? I also have some roots poking out from the bottom of Ava, I'm not super worried about this as I am somewhat familiar with plants generally, but don't know much about cannabis (other than how to smoke it like it's my job). I am for sure going to repot IT when it's dry...just watered today (needed nutes) so that'll be a week....what is your opinion?

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I didn't follow that.........maybe that is a good thing? Thanks for your help S

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I was talking about this tek for cloning: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...ht=wick+cloner

did I read that on your thread? Cannot remember....i'm just a daum stoner, lol. To the point: What do you think of that method?

I noticed today that I am overwatering...mostly probably because the soil is compacting..so I have to pick up pearlite...what is the SOONest I can repot do you think? I also have some roots poking out from the bottom of Ava, I'm not super worried about this as I am somewhat familiar with plants generally, but don't know much about cannabis (other than how to smoke it like it's my job). I am for sure going to repot IT when it's dry...just watered today (needed nutes) so that'll be a week....what is your opinion?

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I didn't follow that.........maybe that is a good thing? Thanks for your help S

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That wick cloner looks simple enough with excellent results. I'm sure most any method will work as long as it is done correctly. Don't think ya found it on my thread though.
Have you ever looked at Overgrow's FAQ...I'm always using it http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/G...c%20Topics.htm
The Cheapo-aero cloner is waht im talking about down in the cloning section....the mister cloner is also a cool one.

I like the repot/transplant a day or two after watering. That way the rootball stays intact and isn't all crumbly.
Some people say it's time to transplant when you see roots at the bottom but this isn't true. I transplant mine when they start to droop and look bad...don't know ya just look and can tell. However, sooner is always better than later, and others preach of putting the plant into its final/largest container right from seedling. I would do this but simple don't have the room.
Soon as possible for the transplant...especially if the soil isn't properly aerated. Go for about a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio of soil to perlite and or vermicultite when you mix up the next batch of soil.

good luck:thumbsup: :smokin:

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That wick cloner looks simple enough with excellent results. I'm sure most any method will work as long as it is done correctly. Don't think ya found it on my thread though.
Have you ever looked at Overgrow's FAQ...I'm always using it http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/GrowFAQ%20Basic%20Topics.htm]http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/GrowFAQ%20Basic%20Topics.htm[/B]
The Cheapo-aero cloner is waht im talking about down in the cloning section....the mister cloner is also a cool one.

I like the repot/transplant a day or two after watering. That way the rootball stays intact and isn't all crumbly.Some people say it's time to transplant when you see roots at the bottom but this isn't true. I transplant mine when they start to droop and look bad...don't know ya just look and can tell. However, sooner is always better than later, and others preach of putting the plant into its final/largest container right from seedling. I would do this but simple don't have the room.
Soon as possible for the transplant...especially if the soil isn't properly aerated. Go for about a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio of soil to perlite and or vermicultite when you mix up the next batch of soil.

good luck:thumbsup: :smokin:

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I am so glad that you mentioned that site! I had seen it before and didn't bookmark (note to newbs like me to bookmark this). After surfing around I can tell that Bea has root-rot, possibly Cee-cee- and even perhaps IT too.... So if you are following this thread stay tuned to see if it is root-rot, heat, premixed soil (i think I eliminated that one)or something else. I am happy to hear that I can transplant a little sooner than expected! That right there just bumped up my trip to town (usually I only go every two weeks) to in the next two days. Okay going to get thermometer (was going to get last time forgot), pearlite, more soil, and PERHAPS a ph meter. Can I just buy one for aquariums? Will this -just do- for water? I'd like to get a soil one, but I am not going to use my credit card, and prefer NOT to send a money order to a co. no matter whether the place is reputable or not. Do you know of a way to ph without spending 80.00...? I'm not going to buy a ph up/down -plan to use baking soda and vinegar...or whatever is commonplace.

I can post pics later showing you why I think plants have root rot...of course barring that I can get my camera to take pics well -okay you caught me! barring I can take the pics well. Again thanks for the imput and sound advice..excuse my overuse of (), - and ..... I like those, expresses in more likeness how I think (or do I think at all?????????) S

Sorry I lost this thread for awhile but finally got back. Your newer pictures of your munchkins look great!! Good work! I honestly don't know much about soil growing but as far as ph goes if you have a pet store near you you can buy super cheap liquid ph testers that will work for you--very basic and easy to use. I have read however that you do not want to use the ph up/down for aquariums for your plants because there are too many salts in those particular ones. I don't know if this applies to soil or hydro or both. I would repot your munchkin in the poorly draining soil asap--I grew some outdoor ones in clay-like soil with crappy drainage and even tho I repotted them as soon as i figured out the problem they did recover but never really thrived after that. They only grew to about 1/3 size of normal. Of course maybe I just suck......

Here is a pic of Bea, not looking very good. But Cee-cee is looking better but she is in a better draining container. Hopefully a replant of Bea will help. S

Oh dear. The country crock one is definitely overwatered and poor drainage. Are you planning on transplanting today? I would asap. Also country crock looks pretty dark green--perhaps that is just the photo. Also if you have not bought your ph meter anything for aquariiums will do great (but not anything that mixes into the water.) Good luck.....

Sorry you guys, didn't mean to hijack the thread if the discussion was between you two.... Good luck..

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Oh dear. The country crock one is definitely overwatered and poor drainage. Are you planning on transplanting today? I would asap. Also country crock looks pretty dark green--perhaps that is just the photo. Also if you have not bought your ph meter anything for aquariiums will do great (but not anything that mixes into the water.) Good luck.....

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Going to repot tonight after I get the pearlite. Bea looks even worse this morning...meh. If you look at the last page you can see Ava, Bea, and Cee-cee are dark green with reddish -purple stems and stalks-I think it is the strain (which is badseed but it looks very indica to me, IT looks more sativa, don't you think?). I'm not sure what you mean by mixes into the water? Don't all ph testers involve taking a water sample and adding a few drops of ph testing liquid? I'm a pot head so maybe I am just thinking about this the wrong way....

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Sorry you guys, didn't mean to hijack the thread if the discussion was between you two.... Good luck..

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You didn't hijack the thread, all comments and disscussions are welcome. S

Sorry I was not clear about the ph stuff....by mixes into the water I meant things to adjust ph, not test it, but you had already mentioned you were using baking soda etc to adjust ph so just ignore that. Yes, the liquid testers involve taking water out, not putting anything in. I always seem to notice that particular color of leaves for 2 reasons--in hydro I would call that slight overfert (nitrogen) and I just plain like that color. Could be normal for soil or your strain; afraid I am not sure. Good luck!!

It could be the soil, since it has ferts in it. ?I was leaning more tword strain because of the purple stalks/stems. I also read somewhere that purple is caused by either strain or cold temps. I definitely do not have cold temps...but the temps do fluctuate more than I'd like. I guess as long as they are growing..............lol. I'll update once I get the ph and soil and temps sorted out. Thanks Weedhound. S

Yes, keep us informed.....

Okay here is an update, and YET another newbie question for all you smart fellers and gals...IT has gotten a lot bigger and the seedlings have got somewhat bigger but I did have a little issue with them. I -you will never believe this-...wait for it....UNDERWATERED THEM! Gasp, I didn't think that was supposed to happen but aw well. I was so afraid of overwatering, that when they went limp I thought that overwater was the cause so I held back....Anyways that isnt my q...Now it and Ava are only growing one leaf at a time. They are normal five/seven fingered leaves but only one at a time, is this normal? Another little q with that...is this alternating nodes? Is It becoming sexually mature? It is about six weeks old I believe, although incredibly small. I've included a pic of what I am talking about, although the one of Ava is really fuzzy (it is just to show one complete leaf before the other is popping out). Do you think it is time to practice LSTing on IT? Hey thanks to anyone who wants to answer these silly qs. BTW, my temps are okay 72-80 F, but PH tester has yet to be found by me. Looks like a trip to the city...bugger! S

Edit: FYI, if you haven't read the whole thread Ava Bea and Cee-Cee are 22 days old. I also noticed that IT now looks indica...Now that it's bigger and healthier.

Okay I am the eager beaver, I went ahead and tied IT down. Here are the pics. Can I make it better? Thanks for reading. S