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I hate hypocrisy and it would seem to me that the US is guilty as hell right now.
The US goverment says "We want a ceasefire in the Middle East" but then they are still supplying Isreal with weapons.
Am I the only one who believes that if America wants peace in the east they should not supply anyone with weapons?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...11&expand=true
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I hate hypocrisy and it would seem to me that the US is guilty as hell right now.
The US goverment says "We want a ceasefire in the Middle East" but then they are still supplying Isreal with weapons.
Am I the only one who believes that if America wants peace in the east they should not supply anyone with weapons?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...11&expand=true
PC..............get over it. 6 million Jews will not die agian.
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I can stop hearing about mel gibson at any time now.
No really......make it stop.
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First off, if the U.S. wasn't supplying Israel some other country would. Probably France.........after all, they gave Israel nuclear technology.
Second, if they weren't supplied so heavily they would be swarmed by their loving neighbors
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
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First off, if the U.S. wasn't supplying Israel some other country would. Probably France.........after all, they gave Israel nuclear technology.
Second, if they weren't supplied so heavily they would be swarmed by their loving neighbors
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
So would you say that the reaction to recent events was justified ?
What France has to do with this is a moot point really since I was asking about America not any other country,I don't believe anyone should be supplying either side as you are simply profitting from misery.
I can tell you that that there are so many similarities between the Milosevic regime and the regime in Isreal. Both have intention of ethnically cleansing their Mulsim population either through military or economic means. Both tried to restict the freedom of these people for example by restricting the freedom of movement or as was the case in Serbia the right to work. Both regimes have showed racist attitudes towards their Muslim population. The only difference is that USA dared to confront Serbia over the genocide in Bosnia , whereas it failed to confront Isreal over its treatment of arabs in Palestine.
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
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Howdy psychocat,
I voted yes,in yer poll..not only should we supply Israel munitions,but I hope that we have offered to provide something that they ain't got..a good ol' fashioned carpet-bombing with B-52's..it worked dang good at making thousands of Iraqi soldiers surrender and it's good at collapsing tunnel networks and bunkers too. The AC-130 Spectre gun-ships and A-10's,would be great for mopping up.
You see..there won't be a cease-fire that lasts more than 24 hours,until we or the Israeli's,destroy hezbollah. There can be no cease-fire,worth the paper it's written on,till Nasrallah and his minions,are blown to bits.
Have a good one ...
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So would you say that the reaction to recent events was justified ?
It's not just the recent events but a combination of events from the point that they left Southern Lebanon to the present. Lebanon was also suppose to have Hezbollah disarmed by this point and taken control of that region under a U.N. resolution and if that would have happened, this would have been avoided.
What France has to do with this is a moot point really since I was asking about America not any other country,I don't believe anyone should be supplying either side as you are simply profitting from misery.
I brought up France due to the fact that they did give Israel nuclear technology and created the imbalance in the region. I agree that war isn't the best option at times but unfortunately when you have all your neighbors calling for your destruction...........
I kind of look at it this way also, why did Hezbollah have to cross the border, kill 3 Israeli soldiers and kidnap two others? When ya get kicked in the knees enough you eventually start swinging back.
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
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I brought up France due to the fact that they did give Israel nuclear technology and created the imbalance in the region. I agree that war isn't the best option at times but unfortunately when you have all your neighbors calling for your destruction...........
I kind of look at it this way also, why did Hezbollah have to cross the border, kill 3 Israeli soldiers and kidnap two others? When ya get kicked in the knees enough you eventually start swinging back.
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
This wasn't an uncommon occurance. Hezbollah has done it in the past, and Israel and them exchanged prisoners in the past. Each side captures their troops all the time. I don't believe this incident is enough to provoke an offensive that spillovers to a country which really can't do anything about this situation. From 1975-1990 Lebanon was at civil war. This was a country that is basically damage goods that was working towards some democratic reforms. They don't have the capability themselves to disarm Hezbollah, which is I'm assuming Israel figured out.
However, I don't really like the premises that you have to destroy a country to destroy a terrorist group. That's not setting up good precedent for the future. Now any country can come and say "hey there's a terrorist group in your country, they're blowing up our people and infrastructure, we'll attack. Already Israel has responded in a similar way America has, using the same justification for terrorism. What would you think if China used terrorism has an excuse to invade Taiwan? Or India had enough of the terrorism in Kashmir and invaded it?
It's a concept that can be easily abused and twisted.
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Arms supply is more of a free market activity than I ever imagined. Watch Lord of Wars. You don't need to pass an ideology exam to get weapons; you just need cash...
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This wasn't an uncommon occurance. Hezbollah has done it in the past, and Israel and them exchanged prisoners in the past. Each side captures their troops all the time. I don't believe this incident is enough to provoke an offensive that spillovers to a country which really can't do anything about this situation. From 1975-1990 Lebanon was at civil war. This was a country that is basically damage goods that was working towards some democratic reforms. They don't have the capability themselves to disarm Hezbollah, which is I'm assuming Israel figured out.
Then Lebanon should have looked to the U.N. for assistance instead of allowing Hezbollah to gain such strenth. When Israel left Lebanon it was in Syrian control...seems funny that they are so close of buddies now. A Shi'ite terrorist group with a Sunni dominant country? IF they did succeed in wiping out Israel they would be fighting each other within' a matter of months.
However, I don't really like the premises that you have to destroy a country to destroy a terrorist group. That's not setting up good precedent for the future. Now any country can come and say "hey there's a terrorist group in your country, they're blowing up our people and infrastructure, we'll attack. Already Israel has responded in a similar way America has, using the same justification for terrorism. What would you think if China used terrorism has an excuse to invade Taiwan? Or India had enough of the terrorism in Kashmir and invaded it?
It's a concept that can be easily abused and twisted.
China has more/less put it on the table that as of 2010 Taiwan will comply...kind of like the Borg.......resistance is futile! India, mutual destruction, nuclear, between Pakistan and India if all hell brakes loose.
If we had the same situation here on the Mexican border how would we/the U.S. react? What would our people demand? Israel has the same right to exist without this type of garbage.
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
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If we had the same situation here on the Mexican border how would we/the U.S. react? :
We'd eat burritos :p
I agree that Isreal has the right to exist but still think they go way overboard in protecting that right. They practice Dubya Diplomacy; "Fuck Negotiation! Do what I say or I'll bomb the shit out of every last man woman and child...And don't mess with Texas"
Seriously, do they really think theyre wining any sympathy among their neighbors. I'm not saying they should bow down to the radical terrorist groups but everyone knows you can't go strirring up a hornets nest and not expect to get stung.
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They give back southern Lebonan and get their soldiers kidnapped, they give back Gaza and have rockets flying into their southern towns. The hornets don't give a crap about conditions.......terminally pissed. Relations were on the road with Mahmoud Abbas until they got a soldier kidnapped........well heaven forbid Hezbollah is outdone.
With their weapons/nuclear arsenal, they could EASILY dust both these areas in a heart beat. I don't really see the use of excessive force myself.
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
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Israel and Amerika are the main threats to world peace!!
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Israel and Amerika are the main threats to world peace!!
No this is GS.....
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Just put a sticky on this poll also.........psychocat...would an extra week be agreeable with you?
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
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No, children dying, i think its fucking sick
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No, children dying, i think its fucking sick
what about the rocket attacks? people are dieing on bolth side CC.
why dont you guys say shit about Iran getting arms for Hezbullah?
cause you are brain washe dby the left leaning media........... thats why.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...276392,00.html
8 killed in rocket attack on Haifa
(VIDEO) Attack on north resumes: Rockets fired by Hizbullah terrorists from Lebanon land in Haifa; eight killed by direct hit on train depot. Worker: The truth is that last night (Saturday) I had a very bad feeling that this time it (rocket fire) would reach us. Today my premonition came true. Nahariya, Kiryat Bialik also targeted
Ahiya Raved
VIDEO - Israel Police said eight people were killed by a direct rocket strike on a train depot in Haifaâ??s Shemen Beach. Magen David Adom paramedics treated dozens of people wounded in the attack and evacuated them to hospitals in the city.
The names of the victims were released for publication:
Reuvan Levi, 43 year-old from Kiryat Ata
Danis Lapidos, 24 year-old from Kiryat Yam
Shmuel Ben Shimon, 41 year-old from Yokneam Ilit
Nisim Elhariri, 43 year-old from Kiryat Ata
Asa'el Damti, 39 year-old from Kiryat Yam
David Feldman, 28 year-old from Kiryat Yam
Sholomi Mansura, 35 year-old from Nahariya
Rafi Hazan, 30 year-old from Haifa
The IDF has begun an initial investigation of the incident. Sources in the IDF told Ynet that Hizbullah used, for the first time, a different type of rocket against Haifa, the Fajr model. The rocket has a 40 kilometer range, and can carry a larger amount of explosives than the Katyusha.
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Well its just what i've seen on the news over here about them bombing orphanages with children still in them etc
And george b, talking about a cease fire when hes the one helping them with weapons it.
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I hate hypocrisy and it would seem to me that the US is guilty as hell right now.
The US goverment says "We want a ceasefire in the Middle East" but then they are still supplying Isreal with weapons.
Am I the only one who believes that if America wants peace in the east they should not supply anyone with weapons?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...11&expand=true
that's exactly what it is. it's doublethink. we must accept that we are spreading freedom and demockracy to the world with bombs and puppet dictators.
why don't we just hand them copies of our constitution, we're not using it anymore, if applied correctly it leads to freedom from tyranny of government...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink
The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one deniesâ??all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth. (pages 35, 176-177)
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Well its just what i've seen on the news over here about them bombing orphanages with children still in them etc
And george b, talking about a cease fire when hes the one helping them with weapons it.
CC if they are bombing a orphanage its cause hezbullah is in there...they were hiding in a hospital.......... Isreal soldiers went in there and went room to room to clear the dirt bags out......... why didnt they just level it.
See bolth sides.......... not just the anti isreal media.... they are washing our brain.
If hezbullah would put on a uniform and get away from civilians it would help, but they hide amoung civilians. What do you do?
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If hezbullah would put on a uniform and get away from civilians it would help, but they hide amoung civilians. What do you do?
Bomb everything in the vicinity like the isrealis are?
How do you expect the public in that area to react when 50 of them die for every so called Hezbollah terrorist killed?
You don't remove a tumour with a sledgehammer you use a precision scalpel, if I were an Isreali doctor confronted by a difficult to remove brain tumour would I be justified in chopping of the patients head?
None of which has anything to do with the original question .
How can the US justify saying "we demand a peaceful resolution" whilst arming one of the protagonists?
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Armenian Genocide - Muslims
Ambon Massacre - Muslims
Beslan School attack- Muslims
World Trade Center attacks (Twice) - Muslims
Pentagon attack - Muslims
Malcolm Kerr, Pres. American University, kidnapped & murdered - Muslims
Paul Johnson, kidnapper and beheaded - Muslims
Pan Am Flight 109 bombing - Muslims
Orly Airport attack - Muslims
Istanbul Airport attack - Muslims
Assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II - Muslim
Skyjack Sunday, 3 planes hijacked and blown up - Muslims
Planet Hollywood bombing in Cape Town - Muslims
La Belle nightclub bombing in Berlin - Muslims
AK-47 attack on CIA employees in Virginia - Muslim
Metro bombings in Paris (Twice) - Muslims
US Embassy bombing in Peru - Muslims
Russian Apartment Complex bombings - Muslims
Tunisian Synoqogue bombing - Muslim
Dagestan bombings - Muslims
US Consulate attack in Karachi - Muslims
North Ossetia Hospital attack - Muslims
Bombing of Mariott Hotel in Jakarta - Muslims
Australian Embassy bombing in Jakarta - Muslims
British Consulate and HSBC bombings - Istanbul - Muslims
Sudan Genocide - Muslims
US Embassies in Kenya & Tanzania attacks - Muslims USS Cole attack - Muslims
Nicholas Berg, kidnapped and beheaded - Muslims
Bali nightclub bombings - Muslims
Moscow subway bombings - Muslims
Twin bombings of Russian airliners - Muslims
Murder of Theo van Gogh - Muslims
Kidnapping of hundreds of civilians & beheadings of scores in the Philippines -
Muslims
Luxor Attacks - Muslims
Attempted attack on Egyptian President Mubarak - Muslims
Lt. Col. W. Higgins, kidnapped & murdered - Muslims
US Embassy in Beirut attacks (Twice) - Muslims
French Embassy in Beirut attack - Muslims
Hijack of TWA Flight 847 - Muslims
Bombing of Jewish Cultural Center in Buenos Aires - Muslims
Moscow Opera House attack and hostage taking - Muslims
Bombings & Suicide attacks in Tashkent and Boukhara - Muslims
Marine Barracks attacks Beirut - Muslims
Egyptian Embassy attack in Pakistan - Muslims
Dhahran Housing Attack - Muslims
Thousands of beheadings in Algeria - Muslims
Madrid Train Bombing - Muslims
Suicide Bombers in Iraqi and Israel - Muslims
Margaret Hussan, kidnapped and murdered - Muslims
Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and beheaded - Muslims
Beheading of bound and defenseless noncombatants - Muslims
Sarajevo Market Massacre - Muslims
Seattle Jewish Center Murders - Muslims
Modern Slave Trade in Africa - Muslims
Somnath Slaughter - Muslims
Taliban - executions of thousands and destruction of Afghan culture - Muslims
Enslavement and trade of Africans into Western Europe and Americas
Honor rapes and killings - Muslims
Oppression of women - Muslims
Oppression and suppression of other religions - Muslims
Jihad - Muslims
Fatwa - Muslims
Plus hundreds of other attacks, bombings, rapes and murders
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Genocide of the native inhabitants - US
Slavery - US
Undermining sovereign Nations -US
Ruling Half the World and killing off thousands of em - England
Your point is???
None of the above takes into account that America has occupied more countries in the last 100 years than any other, that the west as a whole has been seriously ripping of third world countries for longer still and you can kinda see why some people are mightily pissed at the west.
However do you really think the US has any right to arm one nation against another??
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Genocide of the native inhabitants - US
Slavery - US
Undermining sovereign Nations -US
Ruling Half the World and killing off thousands of em - England
Your point is???
None of the above takes into account that America has occupied more countries in the last 100 years than any other, that the west as a whole has been seriously ripping of third world countries for longer still and you can kinda see why some people are mightily pissed at the west.
However do you really think the US has any right to arm one nation against another??
Yes cause the other side can get weapons too..........would you like me to post links?
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I agree with both of you. Fanatical Muslim culture sucks... Their dogma promotes backward, irrational, violent, suicidal emotions and behavior. Call it a generalization, but prove it wrong.
But the U.S. isn't a model for fostering TRUE democracy ANYWHERE that commercial interest doesn't matter... and Fanatical Christians finally figured out that the Ku Klux Klan approach to getting their way wasn't working anymore, so they hire lawyers that specialize in the 1st amendment.
Fanatical Muslims are about 100 years behind fanatical Christians with respect to legal and systematic processes.
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Yes cause the other side can get weapons too..........would you like me to post links?
So the fact that one side can get weapons is good enough reason to give them to their enemy?
Isn't that just going to contribute to the problem?
Shouldn't the might of the west then be concentrated on disarming both parties?
It doesn't suprise me in the least that Bush supports the sale of weapons
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/busin...792196,00.html
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Weapons rule the moment, but they're not the lingering issues... Address and peacefully resolve differences of sacredness and property; the rest will follow like ducks... kind of like the divorce settlement from hell.
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I hate hypocrisy and it would seem to me that the US is guilty as hell right now.
The US goverment says "We want a ceasefire in the Middle East" but then they are still supplying Isreal with weapons.
Am I the only one who believes that if America wants peace in the east they should not supply anyone with weapons?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...11&expand=true
Please understand that Israel (Judah:Genesis;49:8-10) is our ally,(and brother nation) Without America,(Joseph/Manasseh:Genesis;49:22-26) Israel would cease to exist and Islamofascism would spread from there to Europe and eventually here alot faster than you're seein' it now! We're sullpyin'them the weapons and planes for their survival,while fightin' against the Iraqis (Chaldeans/Babylonians) And Afghanistan (Ishmael/Esau's seed) http://www.ensignmessage.com/worldaffairs9.htm
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You're quoting the bible to an atheist.
It is also obvious that you are probably religiously fanatical yourself as your post smacks of Islamophobia, neither religion should be taken to extreme, have you read Leviticus?
I find the bible and all religions are used as an excuse for hatred it's all BS.
You did not address my point but in so doing you reminded me of another point.
How can the US be unbiased and mediate whilst showing support for one side?
Surely they should support peace rather than war?
PS even an Atheist like me can quote the bible too
"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)
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You're quoting the bible to an atheist.
It is also obvious that you are probably religiously fanatical yourself as your post smacks of Islamophobia, neither religion should be taken to extreme, have you read Leviticus?
I find the bible and all religions are used as an excuse for hatred it's all BS.
I will NOT argue with your point here. You are ENTITLED to your opinion and I welcome that.But the BIBLE is NOT all about hatred,it's the religious fanatics to use your own words! I hate them just as much as YOU do! I'm more of a Washington Conservative and originally a Southern Baptist. I HATE HYPOCRITES!
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You did not address my point but in so doing you reminded me of another point.
Can you be a 'lil more specific?
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How can the US be unbiased and mediate whilst showing support for one side?
Surely they should support peace rather than war?
I agree there are corrupt individuals in the military and government,but I believe in peace through strength,trust but verify! If you look at the eagle on the back of your dollar bill,it has both a bundle of arrows (war) AND an olive branch (peace) (both are symbols of Manasseh,Joseph's first born!) The eagle's head faces in the direction of the olive branch which indicates it's desire for peace,but willingness to fight if necessary,so it's a delicate balance (or tightrope) look back at my previous post,I added another link.
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So can Satan!
"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)[/QUOTE]:thumbsup: NOT BAD FOR AN ATHEIST! This helps explain Israel's (Judah's) situation!
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Sorry,won't let me edit to add the other link. http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/sonishmael.html Here it is!:D My OTHER explanation! The verse quoted,(Genesis;16:12) is what I'm referrin' to.
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I really fail to see what relevance this has to my question.
Lets take religion out of the formula and also nationality.
For the sake of sanity (I believe all religions to be a form of insanity) we will say that there are 6 sides and two sides (blue and red say) fall out ,,to which yellow says to red we are your friends have some weapons to protect yourself ,, to which green replies we will give the blues weapons.
Are yellow and green helping the situation or aggravating it?
Meanwhile black and white are saying halt all hostilities,, surely the best course of action is this yet yellow and green still continue to arm both sides.
Shouldn't black and white be left alone to resolve the problem peacefully ?
Wouldn't the inclusion of yellow or green in the peace process just give a bias for one side?
Using the bible to justify violence against any nation is imo retarded and Americas insistance that it is a Christian nation is mad when it supplies the means to kill others,, how is that Christian??.
BTW there is probably more religious diversity in the US than anywhere else.
My original question is one of ethics not religion, you ask me to accept something I rejected as insanity many years ago, wether Muslim ,Christian or whatever I don't care.
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Using the bible to justify violence against any nation is imo retarded and Americas insistance that it is a Christian nation is mad when it supplies the means to kill others,, how is that Christian??.
I wasn't usin' the bible to JUSTIFY violence,but to EXPLAIN what was accurately FORETOLD! Example,Isaiah;31:5,Matthew ;24:32-36 and Luke;21:24 all look to the 6-Day War,June 5-10 1967! Isaiah talks about BIRDS FLYIN' when he mentions the Lord of hosts DEFENDIN' Jerusalem and Luke ;21:24 narrows it down to the DAY when it says : JERUSALEM will be trodden underfoot of the Gentiles UNTIL the time of the Gentiles be FULFILLED! Historically,Jerusalem fell to the Romans in 70 A.D.(C.E.) WHEN did the Jews (Judah) RE-capture Jerusalem? JUNE 7,1967!! Jesus says in Matthew when the fig tree's branch(modern Israel) becomes tender and grows(captures more territory) ye know that SUMMER IS NEAR! When does summer start? June 21! 11 days after the 6-Day War ended! The scriptures listed are 100% ACCURATE! So if I'm justifyin' VIOLENCE please show me where! I concede people DO justify violence but don't accuse ME of doin' that! As far as Israel goes why condemn THEM and not Hamas or Hezballah? Why condemn the good guys? Hamas and Hezballah DESERVE what they get! At LEAST Israel is droppin' leaflets tellin' the Lebanese to GET THE HELL OUTTA THERE! ONE reason so many civilians are gettin' killed is because the HEZBULLY COWARDS:rolleyes: Position their rocket launcher trucks IN or AROUND residential areas and then PULL OUT when airstrikes are called in resultin' in civilian casualties! Another thing they do is BLOCK their own people from leavin' at GUNPOINT and threaten to KILL ANYONE who TRIES to escape or evacuate,so when civilians are killed they say SEE SEE? THEY'RE BABY KILLERS! So your above question SHOULD be addressed at HEZBALLAH and HAMAS! Why condemn SELF DEFENSE?
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As far as Israel goes why condemn THEM and not Hamas or Hezballah? Why condemn the good guys? Hamas and Hezballah DESERVE what they get! At LEAST Israel is droppin' leaflets tellin' the Lebanese to GET THE HELL OUTTA THERE! ONE reason so many civilians are gettin' killed is because the HEZBULLY COWARDS:rolleyes: Position their rocket launcher trucks IN or AROUND residential areas and then PULL OUT when airstrikes are called in resultin' in civilian casualties! Another thing they do is BLOCK their own people from leavin' at GUNPOINT and threaten to KILL ANYONE who TRIES to escape or evacuate,so when civilians are killed they say SEE SEE? THEY'RE BABY KILLERS! So your above question SHOULD be addressed at HEZBALLAH and HAMAS! Why condemn SELF DEFENSE?
So therefore Isreal knows it is bombing civilians and not terrorists, how can that be classed as self defense ?
Once again I find myself repeating what I have already said, surely a surgical response (similar to the way IRA terrorists were hunted) is called for in that case and not indiscriminate bombing ?
The creation of Isreal is really the problem imo.
However that was not was I was asking and if you could get your head around the question without including religion you may well understand that the point I am trying to make really has nothing to do with any of that. You are just predjudiced by your own obsession with the bible, "Us Christians have to fight against the Muslim threat" just sounds so retarded to my ears.
Let me rephrase it for you.
Should anyone throw gasoline on a burning fire and expect it to go out?
Does America think it is helping the situation by choosing sides and then telling both sides we want peace ?
My question is about the ethics of the US not really about the Isreal situation.
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So therefore Isreal knows it is bombing civilians and not terrorists, how can that be classed as self defense ?
Because HEZBALLAH STARTED IT!
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The creation of Isreal is really the problem imo.
HOW?
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However that was not was I was asking and if you could get your head around the question without including religion you may well understand that the point I am trying to make really has nothing to do with any of that. You are just predjudiced by your own obsession with the bible, "Us Christians have to fight against the Muslim threat" just sounds so retarded to my ears.
You couldn't possibly be more WRONG!!
Let me rephrase it for you.
Should anyone throw gasoline on a burning fire and expect it to go out?
Does America think it is helping the situation by choosing sides and then telling both sides we want peace ?
My question is about the ethics of the US not really about the Isreal situation.[/QUOTE]
IT IS NOT UNETHICAL TO AID IN SELF DEFENSE!
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So therefore Isreal knows it is bombing civilians and not terrorists, how can that be classed as self defense ?
Because HEZBALLAH STARTED IT!
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The creation of Isreal is really the problem imo.
HOW?
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However that was not was I was asking and if you could get your head around the question without including religion you may well understand that the point I am trying to make really has nothing to do with any of that. You are just predjudiced by your own obsession with the bible, "Us Christians have to fight against the Muslim threat" just sounds so retarded to my ears.
You couldn't possibly be more WRONG!!
Let me rephrase it for you.
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Should anyone throw gasoline on a burning fire and expect it to go out?
Does America think it is helping the situation by choosing sides and then telling both sides we want peace ?
My question is about the ethics of the US not really about the Isreal situation.
IT IS NOT UNETHICAL TO AID IN SELF DEFENSE!
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Originally Posted by Mark Bryan
Because HEZBALLAH STARTED IT!
HOW?
You couldn't possibly be more WRONG!!
Let me rephrase it for you.
IT IS NOT UNETHICAL TO AID IN SELF DEFENSE!
That's the most illogical bullshit I ever read.
You equate terrorists and civilians as one as the same.
And apparently crossing borders is defined as self-defense.
Right :rolleyes:
Guess what? In America, if someone egged my car, I don't have the right to bash his head in. I'd go to prison if I did.
I don't see these standards applied to citizens of America, applied to Israel in anyway. The fact is Israel get special treatment from the United States.
America should take no sides, and not provide 60% of it's aid to military spending.
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So therefore Mark if there was a sniper in your neighbourhood I would be justified in calling in an airstrike to destroy your homes and kill everyone just to get my sniper?
If you believe that then imo you need some serious help.
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So therefore Mark if there was a sniper in your neighbourhood I would be justified in calling in an airstrike to destroy your homes and kill everyone just to get my sniper?
If you believe that then imo you need some serious help.
your hate for bush/America clouds your judgement
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Israeli Commandos Raid Hezbollah Hideout in Baalbek Hospital
Wednesday, August 02, 2006
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BOURJ AL-MULOUK, Lebanon â?? Israel poured up to 10,000 armored troops into south Lebanon Tuesday, and commandos raided a Hezbollah-run hospital and captured guerrillas during pitched battles deep in the eastern Bekaa Valley, a major escalation of the three-week-old war.
In the attack on the ancient city of Baalbek, about 80 miles north of Israel, commandos ferried in by helicopters fought Hezbollah guerrillas inside and around the hospital under cover of heavy airstrikes, witnesses said. At least seven people were killed in the city, they said. Israel said an unspecified number of guerrillas were captured and no soldiers were hurt.
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The raid was the deepest ground attack on Lebanon since fighting started three weeks ago.
Hezbollah's rocket attacks into Israel, meanwhile, diminished. Hezbollah fired just 10 rockets across the border Tuesday and two early Wednesday, well below an average of about 100 a day since fighting began.
The ferocity of the battles in the Bekaa Valley and across southern Lebanon and the determination of the Israelis to keep fighting quelled expectations for an early cease-fire, although Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said an agreement on how to end the conflict was possible within days, not weeks
they went in On foot you fucking Tard... they didnt send in a air stike.
your hate your hate isclouding your judgement.
if we used your dumb logic... they would have just leveled the hospital.
they didnt...............cause your dumb