Now what are we all going to do when America attacks Iran and then they have a draft?? You don't expect me to go fight in the name of global empire!
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Now what are we all going to do when America attacks Iran and then they have a draft?? You don't expect me to go fight in the name of global empire!
many of those drafted will work for the homeland security dictatorship running checkpoints, monitoring cameras. the new economy is surveillance, police state and prisons...because turning into soviet russia or nazi germany will keep us safe from the freedom hating evil muslims who hate freedom.
what on earth is wrong with you? don't you understand that destroying what our country is and getting rid of freedom will actually protect and give us more freedom?
LOL...all the attack would be about is taking out their nuclear capabilities. But of course we ARE the evil empire looking to snatch up the worlds oil...right?:rolleyes:
But dude, they never threatened the US! Maybe Israel, but Israel is an entirely different country and those people need to sort out their childish differences. It's Zionism that is the problem! This is also the same crap Bush pulled when he wanted to invade Iraq! He lied to us then..why should we believe him now? I never really believed anything Bush said anyway. If there is a draft, there will be so many riots and protests, most of them on college campuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Zi·on·ism (zī'ə-nĭz'əm)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pennsterdam
n.
A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.
O.K. Guess we could allow the Arab world to push them into the sea. Hell, lets all do a goose step at the same time!
How many times do we have to bitchslap these threads by introducing reality. The truth is the draft bills (there were 2) were sponsored and co-sponsored by democraps to try and blame Bush for a non-existant and unwanted draft. Have you heard of a canard? That's what these draft threads are. Propagandized much? :rolleyes:
Restoring the Draft: The Universal National Service Act of 2006
by Michel Chossudovsky
May 30, 2006
GlobalResearch.ca
Congressman Charles Rangel, a Democrat (NY), introduced on 14 February 2006 a bill in the US Congress which requires:
"all persons in the United States, including women, between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform a [two year] period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes."
The bill applies to both US citizens and non-citizens, to men and women. There does not appear to be a provision which would exempt women who are pregnant and/or caring for infants/children in a young age.
While there was some media coverage of Rangel's initiative prior to the formal introduction of the bill, the matter has not been mentioned by the US media since it was introduced in February. There has been a deafening silence: since February 2006, not a single article or editorial has appeared in print on the Universal National Service Act of 2006.
Neither has it been the object of public debate. The bill has been referred to the House Armed Services Committee and the Subcommittee on Military Personnel. Ironically, in previous discussion leading up the bill, Rangel's initiative to restore the draft was described as "an anti-war tactic".
"Rangel opposes war with Iraq and seeks to make the point that many soldiers are volunteers from low-income and minority families. Political leaders, his reasoning goes, would think twice about sending into war the sons and daughters of a more complete cross-section of America. But whether or not one agrees with Rangel's rationale, many Americans would agree that universal service can be a great leveler and a unifying force in society."
Despite Rangel's antiwar resolve, the bill supports Washington's stated objective to extend the war into new frontiers and to ultmately send an entire generation of young Americans to fight an illegal, and unjust war. It is worth noting in this regard that the Neoconservative Project for a New American Century calls for increasing active duty strength from 1.4 to 1.6 million.
The bill also supports Big Brother. Those who are not sent overseas to the war theater would, according to the clauses of the bill, be inducted into the civilian homeland defense corps and other civilian duties, including the Citizens Corps, the "Neighborhood Watch Teams" and the "Volunteer Police Service" established in partnership with local law enforcement. (see http://www.citizencorps.gov/pdf/council.pdf )
While there is at present significant opposition to the bill on both sides of the House, the US military is overextended and lacks the manpower to carry out its global war agenda. This shortage of military personnel is blatantly obvious in Iraq, where the occupation forces are meeting fierce resistance.
The situation regarding the draft could also change if the war were to be extended into Iran. In which case, the substance of this bill could indeed be adopted to meet the manpower requirements of the US military.
History of the Bill
This is the second time Rep. Charles Rangel introduces his controversial bill.
In January 2003, HR 163 was submitted in the House.
It was voted upon and defeated in the House in October 2003, on the grounds that it had not been sent for committee hearings. However, it was suggested at the time that the Republican-controlled House wanted to defeat the bill, to squash rumors that Bush would reintroduce the draft if reelected.
"In spite of adamant denial of draft rumors, Internet and campus campaigners had trumpeted the bill as evidence of a "secret plan" to reinstate the draft in case President Bush is re-elected."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=2535
But the Jews were scattered long ago. The true meaning of Israel is spiritual. The establishment of modern Israel is run by Illuminati who want to bring together a biblical-like war described in the Book of Revelation. They know the land is the land of the Muslims, so the Elite rulers want to create conflict by bringing the Jews there. This has been going on for years. It gets you nowhere. This is called Zionism and Bush adheres to it deeply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
I chastise the Arabs for not seeing the true meaning of Islam yet. Because they take their religion again to an extreme, they will not tolerate the 'people of the Book (Jews)'. But the ones who want to return to Israel take Torah and the prophets way too seriously to an extreme, so they are both held in contempt. Blood could probably have not been spilled if the Illuminati had not created a State for them taking away Palestinian land. If both religions can learn to embrace a more spiritual non dogmatic path, than the Jews and Muslims will truly be called Sons of Abraham.
Oh, my bad. I didn't realize this was an anti-semitic, jew/Bush bashing thread. The illuminati conspiracy theory that was thrown in provided a nice touch for illusion. The tin-foil hat crowd never fail to entertain but I could do without the typical "blame the jews for everything" deal that liberals tend to do. :rolleyes:
Again, there will be no draft...
Hope that helps ;)
Yeah it will proberly get to that point where bush will have to draft people if he starts a war with Iran god how many soilders can the yanks have?.Its already hard for them to recruit new members to fight in Iraq so I don't know how he is going to achieve this.:confused: :mad:
Rangel also received the Bronze Star and Purple Heart in Korea... just a footnote to those voices that say Democrats are lame... :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Howdy B.A.,
Thanx to modern liberalism,there's alot of young folks who no longer have any sense of duty to their country..each day,they wake and ask "What will my country do for me today ? "..instead of askin "What can I do for my country today ? ".
Thanx to modern liberalism,many younguns have no work ethics and little idea of what to do with their lives. Serving their country for 2 years,might just wake em up out of the debaucherous trance that they've been lulled into,by the Left.
I like Israel's model of military service,requiring younguns to serve 2 years in the military,given the size of their population and country,such service is a good idea for survival,considering the number of foes that Israel faces,including the fifth column of anti-semetic liberals in this country.
Don't ya think that it would be a good time now,to start toughening up the younguns again,in this country ?
Of course,Rangle knew the effect of such legislation,would be a fear factor,to drive younguns to the democrappers,but I would like to ask him..if he's truly interested in what's best for this country..or is it all just for the votes ?
Have a good one ...
so a democrat who introduces this legislation every year, is driving 'younguns' to vote for democrats when they're against the legislation?
republicans are democrats. i'm going to find it funny when torog starts telling me to vote for hillary.
congratulations, torog, you're an anti-american commie. why do you hate freedom so much? you're anti-family and you worship big government, and you call yourself conservative?
why do you think the federal government can do things better than i can? why don't you read the federalist or anti-federalist papers and read about your history. what the fuck is wrong with you?
US Corporate Party
-- Sub party A --> Republicans
-- Sub party B --> Democrats
Yo TorogQuote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Rangal thinks that there is a inappropriate proportion of working class people in the military, and resents the "chicken hawks" who never served in wars but start and support them.
I do not agree 100% with the JFK's statement, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." It sounds good, and I'm as patriotic as I can be, but it really doesn't ring true because people make the country. The country is here to serve people, not the other way around. Of course, the beneficiaries of a good society should be good citizens, pay taxes, etc.
I believe in a smaller, highly paid, military made up of professionals. The general population should not be drafted or involved in combat operations unless we're in a large war and have no choice.
I think that anybody that chooses to live in Israel is crazy. I donâ??t hate the country, but would never go there - even if I won a free vacation. My present situation in New York City isn't exactly a panacea, either, since I work in a known terrorist-threat area.
I agree 100% Torog.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
If Torog is an american hating Commie? What are you Piss?Quote:
pisshead so a democrat who introduces this legislation every year, is driving 'younguns' to vote for democrats when they're against the legislation?
republicans are democrats. i'm going to find it funny when torog starts telling me to vote for hillary. (never)
congratulations, torog, you're an anti-american commie. why do you hate freedom so much? you're anti-family and you worship big government, and you call yourself conservative? No i think he is just sick of wimpy, american hating, lulled to sleep, punk bitches
not trying to put words in your mouth Torog
why do you think the federal government can do things better than i can?
You need to read my post on what a reagan conserative is.
why don't you read the federalist or anti-federalist papers and read about your history.( i think i will) what the fuck is wrong with you?
I know i know.....
What the fuck is wrong with you prison planet engrossed, american hating, commie?
ahhh I feel better now...........
BTW.... if the law was passed i would serve my country at 36 years of age. What about you guys..............
ohh yeah i remember..........penn said he was too big of a pussy.
Why is it that to make yourself feel better and to get your point across, you ahave to be so rude and call other people names? I think you tread on thin ice in a lotta ways--brainwise, heartwise, literacywise--but I find your scarcity of manners and respect the most hard to take, somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
I don't agree lots of people's politics, but I won't use name-calling or denigrate something basic like the word Republican in order to do that. I'll actually use my mind.
Evenin', Torog. Now I know you feel strongly about our country and its values and patriotism and everything. But one of the things that occurred to me as I read your statements about it being liberalism that's ruined our patriotic-minded youth is that I've always found, as a citizen, as a parent, as a former teacher, as a reporter, is that it tends to be bad parents who ruin our youth and don't instill proper values in them. They're the folks who instill values in young people. Not liberal society as a whole.
why fight for a government that makes us criminals? like i would be more willing to defend a country that didnt force drug prohibition on me, u know what im saying :stoned:
http://www.askquestions.org/details.php?id=99
http://www.objector.org/conscription...scription.html
u should watch 1984
you are way better than me........ you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
i am the only one that calls names............you are right again
good job Bitch......................
Great job proveing her point for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
I've already served 4 years, and I've kicked around the idea of serving again(32 years old)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
What holds me back is the lack of real information shared with the public. So our government tells us that Iran is a threat, that Iraq was a threat and that we had to invade Afganistan. Thats just it, all they did was tell us, they didnt back it up with any real information, matter of fact I think its proven that they lied in order to invade Iraq.
Before I or any of my children are to go to war, our GOV will have to show proof. To simply tell me is not enough.
Howdy birdgirl,Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
I hear ya and I understand what yer sayin,yer right that most values are being instilled by the parents..the problem arises,when those parents are modern liberals in rebellion against traditional values,themselves. They have no desire to pass on what they consider to be out-dated values,they allow their children to run their lives,instead of the other way around,they treat them like little adults and introduce them to making adult decisions-when all the children should be doing..is just being children.
Now then,don't under-estimate,the impact that liberal society and media,have on our children,it's much more than you allude to..and is the reason why many real parents,restrict to some degree,the ingestion of liberal media and such.
Have a good one !
Mornin', Torog!
I see what you're saying better now! Seriously, I do. And believe it or not, I enjoy talking with folks I disagree with about lots of stuff. You generally voice your opinions kindly and with humor, and I like that!
I'm sad to say I can't stay online very long this morning because I have to work. Work. Can you imagine? Actually, now that I reflect on that a moment, I realize that it's a big-time blessing to be able to do that. But I'll talk to you again, I'm sure. You have yourself a good Wednesday!
Bird
While your calling Bong on the carpet maybe you should also do that to pisshead..seeing as Bong was just stating his opinion on that post..why would you attack his "literacy"..and Bong I agre with you. Bird..its not nice to be arrogant toward others just because you have the skill of putting words together better.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
I generally call folks on it when I see the name-calling happen over and over again, but I don't see it every time it happens, so I couldn't call Pisshead on something that I hadn't seen. I'm not a fast enough reader to read every post on here.
Actually, that wasn't an attack on Bong's literacy. It was my opinion stated in "I language." There's a difference, and not even a particularly subtle one. But it's not an attack, and if he took it that way, I'd trust him either to tell me so or ask about it to clear things up. Bong, I hope you're not feeling attacked!
Here's my deal. I've got a real up-close-and-personal look right now with a sister who's got a terminal disease at how truly short life is. It's frighteningly so. And I honestly believe that we've got to try our best to try and treat others with respect and decency. That includes not name-calling, not flaming them with profanity, not whirling around on them and suddenly coming out at them defensively and angrily but instead checking out our own perceptions before we assume they're out to get us. For me, it involves standing up for myself in conversations I'm involved in or have an intellectual stake in by calling folks on the bad-mannered stuff.
Are you saying it's OK for Rangel/democrats to start draft legislation then try to blame Bush/Republicans for a non-existant draft that the administration oppose because Rangel was in Korea or are you just trying to change the subject of the draft bill being started by the left? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by graymatter
I opposed the original end to the draft. It was short sighted and politically motivated. The draft is a "Check and Balance". When you get your "Greetings from the president letter" you can run, protest, serve, rebel or whatever! DO SOMETHING is my point... christ, Join the fucking Peace Corps...Quote:
Originally Posted by iamapatient
I just happen to applaud and support Rangel for having the balls to call out the matter. :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by birdgirl73
Actually, my mission from the "National Liberal Society" is to spread vermin filled Liberalism through my rhetorical wand and turn everyone into whoremongering, war protesting, freedom haters. Once that's accomplished I will dispatch my pro-choice minions to eat Pat Robertson... :cool:
You oppose the freedom to choose to serve or not and support the liberal facist draft bills and have the nerve to bash President Bush? Oh my... Just what kind of freedom ARE you for? Is it just the freedom to bitch and moan while smoking a joint or wouldn't it be better to support more individual rights instead of supporting leftist oppression? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by graymatter
And if you think the U.S. Government communicates respect for its veterans effectively I just got my letter from the V.A. acknowledging their "mishap" with data security. :o They basically say, "dude, we had no other way of contacing you and millions of others except through the Internal Revenue Service..."
OK, I'm only going to respond to you one more time. You ignored my original question: Define what Liberal Slavery is? I'm really interested in what that looks like...Quote:
Originally Posted by iamapatient
Oooh, you're wicked, GrayMatter. I like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by graymatter
I have an unkind Pat Robertson fantasy. And it's my mission to share it. In it, Pat is piloting the next jet owned by his organzation to go down, killing the pilot and his co-passenger, who is Jerry Falwell. The fantasy jet would go down this season in the worst hurricane ever on record, something far out in the Atlantic that won't hurt anybody else. Brother Pat will be cemeted forever as a wise and brilliant weather prophet. His estate and the fortunes of CBN will go to the pro-choice and pro-national-health care movements. Brother Jerry's fortunes will go to gay-lesbian-friendly and environmental causes, particularly global warming.
Legions of thinking, caring people throughout the world will rejoice.
I haven't got mine yet. Maybe I wasn't affected. [/wishfull thinking] Other than that I'm mostly (not completely) satisfied with the treatment I've received as a disabled vet and I've even been asked to participate in focus groups on VA services.Quote:
Originally Posted by graymatter
I must have missed that. Not exactly "liberal slavery," I think we were talking about "socialist slavery" and anytime socialism is implemented individual freedoms are trampled. Hence the analogy to slavery. You no longer have a choice, you're forced. That's the immoral system, socialism. Which is more moral, a capitalist who willingly donate to charities that they support or a socialist government forcing you to work to pay for the benefit of somebody that you owe no debt to nor have done any wrong to? You do understand that Lincoln freed the slaves, not because he had jungle fever but because he understood that it was wrong to force the slaves to work for other people's gain. The history of socialism and it's evil offspring communism, shows that the systems are fundementally flawed because humans want to be free. Socialists hate capitalism because it provides an alternative to liberal oppression and control.Quote:
Originally Posted by graymatter
I'm going to get it in a big way from IAM for those my admittedly rather sick fantasy. He's gonna shake in fury, raise his fist at the devil, and call me a kiddie name!!
LOL... Oh, yeah, now you're talking! And Jerry Falwell, too! I hope the donation checks have cleared, of course... Or, maybe the National Liberal Society can take over his Thomasville Road Baptist Church (and tele-following) and hold the Sunday coffers hostage until the Fascist Liberal causes are adequetaly funded ... Peace ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
If predictions are your hobby, don't quit your day job. If you're a fortune teller, seek new employment. ;)
I went to services at the Thomasville Road church about 10 years ago with my Virginia cousins! I seriously did. I wanted to see it in action. They, of course, wanted my soul to feel the effects of fundamentalist fever. It was fascinating, I must say.
And I hate to brag but I once also sat in the same Don's Seafood Restaurant in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, with Jimmy Swaggart sitting two tables over.
I mean to tell you, I've had brushes with holy greatness.
Also with the political kind on two sides. On vacation four years ago, my husband and I met Janet Reno, standing in the rental car place at the airport in Key West when we were flying out to return to Miami and come home. We shook hands with her. And my husband claims she looked at my rear end as we walked away. That was as close as I wanted that brush to get.
On the right side, I got to shake hands once at at stockholder's meeting in Dallas with both Dick Cheney and Jim Baker, who were there as members of the board at a company's stockholder meeting where I'd written one of the executive speeches.
Greatness comes in lots of forms. I'll often just settle for seeing famous folks. Even when I don't agree with them politically, I'm sorta starstruck. And I confess that I very much respect their right to their own, differing opinions. I work with lots of very conservative folks and have lived in Texas for most of my life, so I'm comfortable with them. I'd have to be!
Thanks for keeping it cival... Lincoln was perhaps our greatest president and it's not primarily because he freed the slaves. He served to preserve the Union and he died for it. John Wilkes Booth didn't shoot him because he freed slaves.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamapatient
The reason I despise the Bush administration is that they got EVERYTHING wrong... War, Gays, Taxes, Patriot Act, Homeland Security, Faith Based Initiatives. They took an opportunity to unite the world and squandered it on the notion that U.S. corporate interests could shape the world, while religious interests could shape the courts and the legislature... Well, 90% of the world thinks we're stupid and dangerous, and 65% of Americans are now wondering the same.
How free were the workers in the capitalism of the early to mid 1900's? Troops and Corporate hired militia to quell socialist dissent????
But you gotta love the Blue Ridge area!!! I've been there as well... the locals tolerate Falwell like a demented uncle.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
That is indeed a beautiful, beautiful part of the country. I'd like to live there someday. My ancestors came into the U.S. through that part of the country some 300 year ago.