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huh?? i notice mad people hatin' on shit like e, amp, heron and various parms my question is why??? think ur better because ur smokin' somethin that grew out the ground? phhhhsssss... i was like that once. truth is. its all dope. so shut up and have some fun
I am totally against meth. I did it once, and now I know how it can suck you in. I have never done heroin and only tried crack. I believe coke is not so bad for someone who can handle it and not get carried away. I just totally think that meth eats peoples brains and lives, and it is no comparison to weed.
yea it is, thats retardedQuote:
Originally Posted by nuggetgirl
you must compensate for the GREAT difference in potency
and really be able to handle it
but it is possible to moderate even a methamphetamine addiction.
it's all in how you play your cards
I mean, you do realize that you're on CANNABIS.com, don't you?
Besides that, people usually have valid reasons for hating certain drugs.
Good reasons at that!
I kinda agree with you on that. I mean, poison ivy came from the ground, but it's poisonous. Peanuts, which came from the ground, are becoming poisonous to humans as an evolutionary trait. For me, it's about level of addicting property. I have somewhat of an addictive personality, so I am more against heroin than, oh, say LSD. I realize that the addictiveness can be controlled if you put time in energy into doing just that, but I can look back and think logically it'll be different once I get into the lifestyle.
This world is all about achieving a high. Some smoke crack. Others go to the movies, the mall, or other gathering places. Some take up hobbies, such as stamp collecting or building those little model airplanes that most of us don't have the patience to make. My high is marijuana. Because of marijuana, I no longer get pissed off when one little thing doesn't go my way. Not just the drug, either, but the process behind it. The incredible science and knowledge put into growing, the different devices and pieces used to smoke. Cannabis is my hobby, and that's me. I've done other drugs, yes, but none of them are as intriguing or as exciting as the processes behind marijuana.
But again, that's just me.
oh def. weed is def. my hobby as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by graph
but, i dont like havin "junkie" cracks thrown at me when I try an chill out on some opiates every now and then
just sayin, theres no point in the hate
I've done meth, coke/crack, lsd, shrooms, and marijuana. Lsd, shrooms, and mj are all frakin awsome, but when you get into the meth, and coke/crack it can completely control you, if you are not a strong person. Hell, even if you are, they can take control, and ruin your life.
You just have to really like them!
I've seen more than many people fall under the control of these drugs, and when you say they are the same as marijuana, I see a kid with little to no experience with these types of substances.
Sorry man...I think you're full of shit! ;)
Wtf? do you even know me? let alone the substances ive used. talk about uneducated guessing! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
anyway i've had my round with amp, meth coke heroin and fentanyl
was turned off by all uppers when i tried meth for the third time, so its been a year since ive done any uppers at all
recently been into fentanyl hydrocodone and heavier opiates (H)
but i keep myself at a limit. I know when too much is too much, etc. I make "breaks" as to not be poppin'/smokin/snorting (i dont ever inject anything, the thought of doing so alone scares me) the shit all the time. I kno it can do a number on your body. and your life. which is why i limit myself
everyone has that ability, people who are overcome by addiction are simply people who got into things they couldnt handle. you shouldnt be doing a drug if you know you can control yourself on it
i didnt say they were the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
i said with compensation for the extreme differences in potency/addiction level
my point was that a meth addiction can me moderated
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Originally Posted by hellomandude
I think that's on a case-to-case basis though. I mean, I've lost people to alcohol addiction as well, and I've even had a friend mug me for money for weed, and drop off the face of the earth. Sure, I'm sure to someone who's a regular user of a hard drug it seems stupid to bag on you, but I think to those who have lost people to certain drugs, they start to hate the drug. Sure, there is the argument that these people were already spiraling down before they became users, but still.
Let me put it this way. You're an loving father who walks into your daughter's room, and see her shooting up heroin. Now (don't lie) what would your reaction be? I personally don't create a division between synthetics and naturals. I mean, I think alcohol's a horrible (albeit, fun in the right situations) drug, and the fermenting of fruits is a naturally occuring reaction. On the other hand, it can't be proven that LSD is addictive. I see drugs on more of an addictive level, and how (if any way) it changes your brain. That's why most harder drugs just aren't for me.
I don't know you from john Q Doe, but you 'were' commparing meth, and cocain to marijuana, and they simply aren't even close to being the same. I love my herb, and I loved my meth, and I loved my coke, but only one of these drugs are anywhere near controlable. At first, you may think you have a handle on them, but give it some time, and thet'll have you by the balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by hellomandude
I don't know anything about (H), so I won't comment on it, but I do know a little about meth, and cocain.
Sorry if I offended you...I call em like I see em. ;)
Well first of all I'd snatch up that syringe. now How old is this daughter? It's kinda crutial to my point, so, post back quick so I can finish lolQuote:
Originally Posted by graph
i think you are one of the poor souls weak enough to be overcome by such substances. you get angry when people try to tell you such addictions are controllable.. because you failed to yourself. natural human emotions... no offense taken at all my friendQuote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
To be young again, lol!
I was once young, and nuaive as well.
Props for standing up for what you believe in, though. :thumbsup:
you gotta do drugs.... dont let the drugs do you!
Im all for synthetics! XTC is my favorite with LSD second.
i am standing exactly with you
wisest thing anyones said all nightQuote:
Originally Posted by bedake
yes, if only i could go back in timeQuote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
im 82... getting old hehehe
yea and i get a lot of flak on these forums too for enjoying xtc haha
3 years old. Just kidding. I'd say teens, anywhere between 14 and 18. Any younger than 13, her ass would be in boot camp the same day. Well, for me anyways.
I've never tried extacy, but hear it's FANTASTIC!Quote:
Originally Posted by bedake
Wait a minute hellomandude. Why were we talking about cocain in this thread?
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Originally Posted by hellomandude
Weed and shrooms (to me) are the only drugs that didnt stab me in the back when i turned my back on them, for that i have respect for them. Others if you turn your back on them they stab you, and for that i have learned to stay away from them. Who wants to be around a friend that will stab you in the back when you turn away? Same goes for a drug. I know it depends on your personality/lifestyle/background but for weed and shrooms its smoooooooth sailing!!
I wouldnt look down on you for recreationally using opiates etc but i would if they became a habit!
Ok, well, I think we know H isnt a drug you just 'stumble" upon. It's usually introduced to you something like this Weed>opiates>opium>percs/vikes>oxycontin>fentanyl>(H) at least that was the case for me. So, let's say she's I dont know, 16, with some prior experience to weed and pills. I'd be cool with that. Girl gotta party sometimes. Everyone does, ya know. And at 16, I wouldnt think pot smoking would be much of a problem with me. So, I walk in, and see her foolin' around with a syringe. I say "Whoa!" snatch that shit up and say come and have a talk with me. I would tell her to NEVER whatever the circumstance use a syringe to administor a drug, they are the #2 cause of AIDS in america + it isn't hard to shoot an extra cc up accidently and O.D. I'd throw the syringes in the fireplace then ask her where her stash is. As soon as she showed it to me id examine it for any volitle chemicals, impurites etc. (It can kill you) and tell her if what she had was any good or not. If it was questionable, i'd throw it out and tell her i will give her my connects number, a connect that I have experience with and know won't sell her bunk stuff. It's like I always say know your Body know your Mind know your Substance know your Source. If you take all 4 into consideration you are pretty much safe. And then of course I'd set a limit to how often I allowed her to do it. Perhaps a small line on weekends, if they havnt fucked up and failed to follow through on anything they were supposed to do in the previous day(s). And I would always sit with her for administration. Just to be safe as possible. Otherwise, If Id try and keep her from it she's her own person and would no doubt go lookin for it on the streets getting involved in the wrong kinda people and def. putting herself in dangerQuote:
Originally Posted by graph
at first i didn't have a problem with them.. but look at what it's become... the way i see it (not saying i'm right, just seems like i am) it seems like med companies are cutting down on screening/saftey so they can get new drugs out faster to make more money, all the while, innocent people are dying/becoming very sick due to this... like i said i dunno if i'm right, i just feel i am.. i feel like saftey is not a concern for the med companies anymore, and all they care about is money.... not to mention... man made medicine doesn't seem to work well in me... and almost always causes me more problems then it helps.. i'd rather just deal with my problems (we were given an immune system for a reason... that is of course if we're talking about physical-type medicationis and not anti-psychotics and the like) then shove a pill in my mouth for every problem i have... i keep it to as minimal as possible.. like i said i'd rather just deal with my problems or find a more natural mankind-friendly alternative..
Amen^^^^^^
I dont rush to the doctor when i get sick i tough it out and i swear i am better for it AT THE MOMENT. When people around me get sick i smoke off their bongs, hit their cigs etc and they are baffled that i dont catch what they have. I tell them its genetics haha
hellomandude,
First of all, let me say that I'm really happy that you've been nothing but tactful throughout this whole ordeal. Because of that, I've been so much more inclined to see your approach, and whule I may not agree, I understand.
I'm 18, and I myself still don't feel I understand enough about this world to understand the full effects of heroin. At 16, I just don't think I'd know enough to fully comprehend. And yes, at 16 everyone wants to party, but I smoke and drank, I didn't do hard drugs (discounting cocaine). But in all reality, I dont think the drug itself is the big deal. As long as you're safe and not jonesing in the back of some alley for another hit, I guess I'll be happy.
I mean, after all, cocaine is the rich man's drug.
i've noticed the same thing, i've never really taken medicine for sicknesses (unless it was like serious or something, even the flu i would treat myself) now, that i've grown up a bit, i find that i rarely ever get sick... on average maybe get like a common cold ever 1.5 years or so? i'm actually glad i steered away from medicine, and let my immune system become fully functional, rather then getting a cold and turning to a bottle of friendly tussin...Quote:
Originally Posted by C4nn4Bliss
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Carlin
Right on!
im not 100% sure but doesnt that bird flu virus have a better chance of killing someone with a strong immune system?? Someone explained why but i was too high to remember now
i don't know.. i haven't really been paying much attention to it.. the way i see it... the world is long over due for some outrageous pandemic and i'd rather not dwell in the fact that it could easily mutate and be able to transfer from human to human, rather than just bird to human... even if it does so be it, even people with weak immune systems (assuming this is true) would still get it and suffer from it... atleast i didn't spend nearly as much of my life sick/miserable as other people...
You DON'T give it time. That's the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
I fully agree, man!
It's just that time CAN get away with you when 'experimenting', and such.
I see no harm in a snort here, and there, though. ;)
What the difference is, is the reason why crack, coke, LSD, et al, don't affect me, yet Cannabis is better than ever, and that is because Head Trauma deadens your Opioid Receptors and enhances your Hippocampi output of your body's natural-cannabinoids (Anandamide), which affect your Cannabinoid Receptors.Quote:
Originally Posted by hellomandude
Two different systems.
And other drugs directly affect your Central Nervous System.
Pot only affects the CB receptors in your CNS.
I had the choice of either a scientific answer, or a spiritual one. I went spiritual, but BG makes a good point as well.
My whole take is everyone is entitled to pick their poison
I don't have a problem with synthetics, but I would never do meth, herion, ro crack
In the end there is nothing that makes you morally superior to prefering the high of alcohol over pot, and vice versa, as with other drugs and mind altering substances, its all about getting high! nothing more, nothing less
Any drug can be fun if used responsibly and in moderation, and if you can't handle it, don't take it, there are other ways to get you in the place you want to be
I just don't like taking anything that could be made is some kids basement. Grown yes, but nothing man made if I can help it.
I've done meth, coke, heroin, opium, etc. so I really don't have any room to criticize anyone else for trying them as well. I haven't done anything other than weed in over 12 years, however. The two big differences that I see between natural drugs such as weed and shrooms is:
1. Addiction-weed is not phsically addictive and no where's near as psycholigically addictive as most other syntheic drugs. I've never seen anyone's life ruined by weed. I have, however, seen my best friend go so far down the road of heroin addiction that he never came back.
2. Ability to Overdose- You simply can't od on weed.
Basically the synthetics are far more dangerous than weed or shrooms. There are people like me and, I assume hellomandude, who can occaisionally use these drugs and be fine with them. Most people, however, can not.
I think one big reason that a lot of people on this board (marijuana only users) have a problem with the other synthetic drugs is that the general public tends to classify marijuana along with heroin and crack as simply "drugs". We are educated and know better but they don't. They also see marijuana as a gateway drug leading to harder drug use. Therefore, the continued use of drugs such as heroin, crack, and meth only set back the efforst to have marijuana legalized like it should be.
tru tru fengzi
you all have very good points
kyyzco expecially u last post/line
very good comment
I would tell her to NEVER whatever the circumstance use a syringe to administor a drug, they are the #2 cause of AIDS in america + it isn't hard to shoot an extra cc up accidently and O.D. I'd throw the syringes in the fireplace then ask her where her stash is. As soon as she showed it to me id examine it for any volitle chemicals, impurites etc. (It can kill you) and tell her if what she had was any good or not. If it was questionable, i'd throw it out and tell her i will give her my connects number, a connect that I have experience with and know won't sell her bunk stuff. It's like I always say know your Body know your Mind know your Substance know your Source. If you take all 4 into consideration you are pretty much safe. And then of course I'd set a limit to how often I allowed her to do it. Perhaps a small line on weekends, if they havnt fucked up and failed to follow through on anything they were supposed to do in the previous day(s). And I would always sit with her for administration. Just to be safe as possible. Otherwise, If Id try and keep her from it she's her own person and would no doubt go lookin for it on the streets getting involved in the wrong kinda people and def. putting herself in danger[/QUOTE]
i think this is a good example of limiting yourself and being careful
well taken outta context but stil
you get the point
I agree with the fact that everyone has the right to pick their poison. I am capable of doing X or a line or two or meth in a weekend and not touch it again for a couple months. I live in Iowa, a HUGE percentage of the nations meth comes from here. I quit doing it basically for my brother. He got so caught up in it he was crawling underneath his house looking for the CIA and shit. It took a hold on him and he couldn't shake it. It ruined his life and his relationship with his family, and now slowly he is coming back. He has been clean for a few months now but I can still see the effects. Sometimes he still acts like a tweeker and doesn't realize it, or he'll zone out. His personality has changed alot after overcoming addiction. So like I said, pick your poison. Just don't let it ruin your life. When you start pawning shit for money to buy these drugs, that's when you know you have a problem.
I just hate to see it eat another brain and another life.