Help Save A Life

If you have not heard by now, Stanley "Tookie" Williams, former co-founder of the Crips is scheduled to be executed December 13. After being sentenced to death in 1981 for the murders of a Los Angeles area 7-Eleven manager and three other people at a motel, Williams was sent to San Quentin, where he has already served 24 years. Since the conviction, Williams' life has taken serious turn. He denounced gang violence and strives to bring peace between the Bloods and Crips factions in Los Angeles. He has written nine children's books promoting peace, which resulted in two nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize and one nomination for the Nobel in Literature. President George W. Bush even gave him the Presidential Call to Service Award this year for his volunteer efforts to help youth. In 1992, a judge recommended clemency rather than execution. Supporters of Williams are still hoping Gov. Schwarzenegger will follow this recommendation. An online petition has been posted requesting Gov. Schwarzenegger to halt the execution of Williams by granting him clemency.
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that petition won't do shit

there was an online petition once to bring back Surge...when i signed it, it was already extremely large (100k plus signatures?) and as you can see, i hasn't been brought back...so yea i don't think petitions work....i don't know this guy and couldn't say what i think is for sure or not...but to me that just seems like someone who fucked up, and doesn't want to face the consequnces for what they've done

yea man, dont save that dudes life. its just like when jeffrey dahmer claimed to have "found god"

real petitions work but not shitty online ones that someone could sign as many times as they want

Fuck him, he started one of the most dangerous gangs in America. He should die just for that. I don't care how many crappy USA channel movies are made about him.

wow, you guys are unforgiving as shit huh? maybe he started the one of the worst gangs in the US or what ever but maybe he never meant for it to go this far, i know kids up here in yuppy ville CT who think theyre crips and bloods and are 'from the streets'. lmfao, from the streets of where? greenwhich? bullshit. maybe someone from easthaven or something has some small claim. anyways, maybe he also has gained some knowledge/wisdom with age and doesnt like what his brainchild has become. fuck killing even more people, it wont solve shit. the only people i want to see put to death are sex offenders, and that should be slow and painful. BRING ON BUBBA :) anyways, lighten up, all of you. Peace

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Originally Posted by liquid swords

Fuck him, he started one of the most dangerous gangs in America. He should die just for that. I don't care how many crappy USA channel movies are made about him.

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FUCK YOU MAN CXC13 4 LIFE (CULVER CITY CRIPS 13)

anyone in a gang is the pure definition of retarded....that gang gonna be there for you when someone comes and does a drive by and kills your baby sis or your mom? that gang gonna be there for you when yal all do some illegal shit and you're the only one that gets caught...your gang gonna be there when someone gets murdered and they pin you for it?

oops wasn't finished.....no your mom is going to be there for you, your uncle...your FAMILY will be the only ones that might be there for you if some of that shit should happen....

He still killed people. He may have changed but every man must face the consequence of their actions.

Alright calm down you after school special muthrfukkrz. Yall talkin like you've never heard of the Mafia, the KKK, n other groups. He knows what he did n he's doing his time, its not like theyre gonna set him free. Here in Texas he'd prolly be dead by now so off'n inmates is anything but rare. But now i see who are the lil bitches of this board unwilling to help an o.g., rival of the laws puttin down weed, fukn cunts :thumbsup: fukkit smoke 1 :smokin:

gangs are stupid gangs are for people who cant fight and needs guns to get teh job done. if you got a problem fist fight and dont be a punk and shoot him. they jump people cause the are scared to fight one on one. i hope he dies a slow terible death

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Originally Posted by 50BagOfGreens

FUCK YOU MAN CXC13 4 LIFE (CULVER CITY CRIPS 13)

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fuck you. thank you for helping to kill people every day because they wear different color shirts or because they disrespected yo mama or scuffed your puma.

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Originally Posted by UnViaje

Alright calm down you after school special muthrfukkrz. Yall talkin like you've never heard of the Mafia, the KKK, n other groups. He knows what he did n he's doing his time, its not like theyre gonna set him free. Here in Texas he'd prolly be dead by now so off'n inmates is anything but rare. But now i see who are the lil bitches of this board unwilling to help an o.g., rival of the laws puttin down weed, fukn cunts :thumbsup: fukkit smoke 1 :smokin:

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fuck that hes a rival of the laws that say dont kill people too bitch. wtf is wrong with you?

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Originally Posted by GSW389

fuck that hes a rival of the laws that say dont kill people too bitch. wtf is wrong with you?

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now i found the biggest BYTCH of em all, fukk u and the law u pussy
we warring everday killin innocent lives in the name of god
ur just a soft bitch who'd rather get raped than fight back
dont procreate those queer ass genes of yours bitch, just kill urself

Calm down unviaje donâ??t you see that even if you save him from execution he will still dieâ?¦ no one is free from deaths grip so donâ??t try to fight it you will only fail

My post is most likely meaningless to you all but I just felt like posting it any ways

i say free all prisoners, but then again, i have the curse of infinite compassion, dispite my huge reserves of hatred and rage that tends to poke through (I REALLY AM SORRY LES!)

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Originally Posted by clock

Calm down unviaje don’t you see that even if you save him from execution he will still die… no one is free from deaths grip so don’t try to fight it you will only fail

My post is most likely meaningless to you all but I just felt like posting it any ways

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aw man, r u fukn aroun? havent u ever heard of clemency? people have been pardoned before so i think theres a lil more room for some optimism

Yes I have heard of it I was just saying that he will die sooner or later so why bother to save him today when he could die tomorrow do you not see how futile it is?

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Originally Posted by 50BagOfGreens

F*CK YOU MAN CXC13 4 LIFE (CULVER CITY CRIPS 13)

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Howdy 50Bag,

Daggum ! I didn't think that gangsta's used computers..I would think that they would frown upon anyone with intelligence !

Have a good one ...

FUCK DA CRIPS

$$$--- LATIN KINGS 4 LYFE ---$$$

gang forum war!!!

Surge was the shit. I was the badass at church camp who would sneak out and get surge for everyone from the pop machine when the councellors were asleep. How cool was I?

CuLvEr CiTy threce bitch

HE WAS A CRIP FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! HE DROVE AROND AT NIGHT KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE FOR THE FUN OF IT, REAL NICE PERSON HUH? THERE ARE PROBABLY THOUSANDS IF NOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEATHS BECAUSE OF HIM. HE IS A MURDERER AND HAS PROBABLY KILLED COUNTLESS PEOPLE BUT GOT CAUGHT FOR 4. HE HAS INDIRECTLY KILLED PEOPLE THROUGH HIS STARTING A GANG HE IS NOT A GOOD PERSON AND SHOULD BE KILLED! HE IS KISSING ASS BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GET OUT OF PRISON, DO YOU HONESTLY THINK WHEN HE GETS OUT HE WON'T FALL BACK INTO OLD TRENDS? OR BE KILLED BY THE CRIPS? WOULD YOU LET HITLER GO IF HE WAS ARRESTED, I DOUBT IT!

woa dude. first of all, i have a few friends in the crips. sxf27. and not all of them go around killing innocent people so watch what u say. and indo is spelled with an I. dumbass

well, i think he should suffer the consequences. i mean, if u killed sum1, then said "oh, its bad, i know its wrong" you shouldn't just get off the hook.

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Originally Posted by 50BagOfGreens

CuLvEr CiTy threce bitch

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Trece, not threce.
Fuck Crips.
Fuck Bloods.
Fuck QVO's.
I used to run with the Sutre Lil' Hood, and I got out because it's gay as shit being in a gang. Oh, and I always fought one-on-one, hand to hand. The QVO were always pussies bringing all kinds of weapons and shit and jumping people when they were alone.

Don't fuck around with gangs. If you're going to be a homicidal badass lunatic, fine, but don't do it in groups. At least be your own individual about it.

Oh yeah, if I was in prison for life, I'd want the death penalty too. What's worse, 30 seconds of pain, or 60 years of it?

i love how people can get so worked up over a murderer who made no contribution to this country at all other than starting a gang that set off a huge turf war in LA resulting in the deaths of thousands. and that includes police, women and children.

anyone in this thread who thinks theyre a gangbanger...youre not, i can guarantee that. go to a real hood where some real cats are and you'll find out how quick you can shit your pants.

quit acting like kids and educate yourselves.

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Originally Posted by jfoster

well, i think he should suffer the consequences. i mean, if u killed sum1, then said "oh, its bad, i know its wrong" you shouldn't just get off the hook.

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the justice system: two wrongs make a right.


reality: two wrongs make 4 wrongs, make 8 wrongs, make 16 wrongs... etc...


if you punish someone, regardless of what they did, you can bet you have already pissed someone else off.


even if they never even met the person you are punishing.

minds differ so greatly these days, that punishment is met with revenge.


IT DOES NOT WORK!


and frankly, i feel in the pit of my soul the need to kill every law enforcer on earth, just because they have no right to controll another person, regardless of their "just intent".

people no longer have free will, and i am pissed off to high hell.

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

and frankly, i feel in the pit of my soul the need to kill every law enforcer on earth, just because they have no right to controll another person, regardless of their "just intent".

people no longer have free will, and i am pissed off to high hell.

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wow...

my father is a police officer, do you feel the need to kill him? they dont 'control' anyone. our laws are based on moral standards that dictate what is right and what is wrong, police mearly enforce these laws. do you honestly think that a society could function without law enforcement?

according to your convoluted logic, if you were walking down the street with a loved one (child, spouse, parent, friend, etc.) and all off a sudden a nut jumped out and started attacking that person, raping them and even killing them, the police should do absolutely nothing about it. even if a cop was standing ten feet away, you would say 'im sorry mr. police officer but you have no right to stop this man, even if you have "just intent". hes doing this on his free will and we should allow him to ruin this innocent persons life just because he feels like it'.

why am i even wasting my time, youre a fucking idiot.

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Originally Posted by BoyNamedSue

wow...

my father is a police officer, do you feel the need to kill him? they dont 'control' anyone. our laws are based on moral standards that dictate what is right and what is wrong, police mearly enforce these laws. do you honestly think that a society could function without law enforcement?

according to your convoluted logic, if you were walking down the street with a loved one (child, spouse, parent, friend, etc.) and all off a sudden a nut jumped out and started attacking that person, raping them and even killing them, the police should do absolutely nothing about it. even if a cop was standing ten feet away, you would say 'im sorry mr. police officer but you have no right to stop this man, even if you have "just intent". hes doing this on his free will and we should allow him to ruin this innocent persons life just because he feels like it'.

why am i even wasting my time, youre a fucking idiot.

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here's my disposition...


morality is in the eye of the beholder; the suicide bombers think it is morally good to kill us.

hitler thought it morally good to eliminate jewish people.

the europeans/pilgrims thought it was morally right to give the native americans disease infested blankets in exchange for land.

bush thinks it is morally right to wage war on Iraq.



morals are not universal, im afraid, and additionally, laws are immoral, as they see justice as imposing upon free will...


you cannot use an eye for an eye and expect things to get better.

if you fight force, with force, you arent going to eliminate the threat.


you jsut gotta live and let live, ignore the horrifying things, you have to, punishing a person lowers you to their level.


and yes, i see the hyppocrisy in my wanting to eliminate "justice", but if i felt i succeded, i'd eliminate myself in the end, so as to retain my honnor.


i cant tolerate the ills of this world anymore. if they werent so widespread, it would be one thing, but damn near everyone is going against the teachings in the bible on a daily basis!


im talking to someone on MSN and i just lost trach damnit, nad i was coming close to an end :(



but i should have it close enough, fighting will imposition with will imposition is RETARDED!

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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho

there was an online petition once to bring back Surge...when i signed it, it was already extremely large (100k plus signatures?) and as you can see, i hasn't been brought back...so yea i don't think petitions work....i don't know this guy and couldn't say what i think is for sure or not...but to me that just seems like someone who fucked up, and doesn't want to face the consequnces for what they've done

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Bring back Surge!!! I'm fallin asleep

Oh ya, kill the bastard too. Who cares about his stupid children books. Not much you can do in prison after you killed a couple people. KARMA IS A BITCH, and he'll find that out when his eyeballs are popping out. Fuck the gangs, kill em all. :dance:

dont commit the crime if u cant do the time

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Originally Posted by 50BagOfGreens

CuLvEr CiTy threce bitch

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ur white you douche bag

Feel free to argue me, but im my opinion i think they should just get it over with and execute the guy. I am very picky when it comes to capital punishment, but the guy started one of the worst gangs in the history of the United States. It has even spread up here (toronto canada). Anyone from around the region will know the escalating gun and gang problems that are plaguing the city. A guy was shot up at his friend's (who was also shot) funeral b/c he was a witness!!!. I have a younger sister (4yrs old), and I do have friends that have been victims themselves, and it ruins lives. It is not something I want in my city, or anywhere for that matter. I have no respect for anyone even remotely involved in any of these gangs, and it seems to me that the guy just wants to avoid his death. Even if he is truely sorry for what he did, he cannot change what he did, and should suffer accordingly. Victims of gangs such as the crips dont get a second chance, why should this guy.

what if you were to lie to ur parents and you got caught. saying"i know it was wrong to lie" isn't gunna keep you from ur punishment.

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Originally Posted by tupac2930

ur white you douche bag

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im white? im white!? you think race has anything to do with this you fucking cunt. about 75% of the people i know are from gangs and mafias. if i wanted i could find out where you live and get people to kill you but im a nice person(cause i smoke) and i dont kill people.

fuck Tookie. 1 he killed people.now he wonts to live. fuck Tookie execute the basterad.i for one can't wait for the execution on December 13 :clap: .i hope he get's ass raped every day till the execution :dance:.one last thing fuck Tookie.

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Originally Posted by 50BagOfGreens

im white? im white!? you think race has anything to do with this you fucking cunt. about 75% of the people i know are from gangs and mafias. if i wanted i could find out where you live and get people to kill you but im a nice person(cause i smoke) and i dont kill people.

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FUCK YOU :thumbsup: