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i have a friend who has smoked before and he loved it but says its really bad for him so he is going to just drink.....I have tried everything! I have showed him things on www.erowid.com, some of the papers on why it should be legalized (ones on this board), but he wont believe me. If anyone could like make a list and post it, i would aprecciate it a lot.
sorry about the grammar Im to stoned to have good grammar
Well, i have the same problem with one of my friends Ricky. He was smokin and drinkin and he got alchohol poisoning, and he blamed the weed for it!!! After naggin on him forever about how the alchohol did it and weed isnt bad for him, he still wont do it. I gave up after a month.
Well, im not sure how that helps, but keep pushing him!!!
only an idiot would think that smoking cannabis is safer than drinking alcohol. i love my ganja, but it doesnt take an einstien to work out that if yer smoke bong after bong for years, yer lungs are gona pay for it! its all about moderation, the truth is weed is AS bad for the body, no better, no worse
I use vapos though :p
Theres no other way than a good vapo
i got my self a volcano vap, nothin beats it! but lung damage aint the only problem with weed, if yer use it for long enough, other parts of the body are gona suffer, like the brain and the heart
Yea, but i dont smoke all the time. (Damn you got a volcano? good job lucky!)
Right now, last time i smoked was two weeks and 1 day ago.
he will only smoke once a week, so im pretty sure its better for you than drinking b/c he drinks about 3x a week....but he said he would give up drinking if i showed him proof that weed was better for you than alcohal
like i say, keep it in moderation, and youall be all right. me, ive overdone it my self, ive been tokin fir the last 6 years, and up untill jan of this years it was daily, and as a result my fittness is terrible. my doc says give it a rest for a year or so, get fit and then keep it in moderation. the anoying part is i only got my volcano in june, cost me £330 (over $500), and i cant use it for ages now!what vap have u got?
No, alcohol has always been, and will always be, far worse for you. No, it's not good for your lungs, but that's why there are vaporizers. Besides, you can OD on alcohol, it can be physically addicting, and it causes kidney and liver problems with prolonged use. I'm sorry, but my vote for safety between alcohol and weed goes to weed every time, hands down. Anyone who thinks that alcohol is safer is absolutely retarded, and needs to think for themselves. Stop buying into the government's propaganda.
dude...read the paper i'm writing...alcohol is nowhere near as bad for you as alcohol
I got lost on that one ... WEED is nowhere near as bad for you as alcohol, or ALCOHOL is nowhere near as bad for you as weed? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by P.E.N.G.U.I.N.
oops sorry. weed is nowhere near as bad for you than alcohol. my mom's family is dying because of alcohol. my dad's family smokes weed pretty regularly, and granted they aren't fit to run a marathon, but they're not dying
Alcohol is a poison.
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Marijuana is not.
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Alcohol can make you sick.
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Sick people use marijuana to make them feel better.
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Alcohol can significantly damage the digestive system, especially the stomach and liver.
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Smoking marijuana has never been shown to do significant damage to any organ, even the lungs, does not cause cancer, and when eaten does not cause any damage at all to the human body.
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Alcohol can be physically addictive with significant withrawal symptoms as severe as the frightening delerium tremens.
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Marijuana has never been shown to be more than psychologically addictive and cessation of use has never caused anything more than the stress that it was probably being used to treat anyway.
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etc., etc. etc.
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point 1: cannabis IS a poision
point 2: never heard of a whitey?
point 3: cannabis lowers the immune system, making it easier to pick up all sorts of viruses. it can massivly damage the lungs, i know this for a fact, it litterly strips the lungs of the cila, and this can lead to emphysema after only 6 or 7 years of heavy smoking. that makes it about 3 or 4 times worse for the lungs as tabbaco. even if you consider that an average ciggy smoker smokes 20 aday and doesnt get emphysema, youve got to remember that drawin on a cig is far easier on the lungs than rippin a bong as fast as you can. also weed, if its used for long enough by an unhealthy person, can damage your heart, dont belive me, check yer pulse rate 5 mins after a big bong hit.
point 4: although there is know way that weed is anywhere as physically addicative as alcohol, any heavy smoke who has to stop smoking will get some mild physical withdrawl problems, such as innsomnia and poor appertite.
dont get me wrong guys, i love weed and hate alcohol for what it did to my mums pancreas, but it makes me laugh when people beleave with a passion that weed is so harmless
Alcohol is much worse for you then Marijuana, nobody is saying marijuana is HARMLESS but honestly..If you were to take both in moderation alcohol would still be worse for you.
Smoking weed isn't going to be any worse then eating mcdonalds, watching too much tv, or not excercising frequently.
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Originally Posted by Sinsemilla Jones
Wow. B-E-A-Utifully done! That was pretty :D
if you use them both in moderation, then nither of them are going to be that bad for you
I am rather sick of people touting the dangers of marijuana smoke.
1) Even if "per hit" it's worse for you than cigarettes, no one smokes twenty joints a day. As far as I know, there are no well-documented cases of anyone developing lung cancer *solely* from using cannabis.
2) No one is screaming here about criminalizing cigarrette usage, so the marijuana smoke is really a non-issue.
3) You don't have to smoke it! I only vaporize and eat it these days.
Honestly, I've been using cannabis almost every day for a long time, and the only negative side effects I've noticed are
1) I went from 120 to 145 pounds. As I was considered anorexic for my height, this is actually a benefit. Marijuana has stimulated my appetite, leading me to eat healthier amounts of food.
2) When I don't smoke one evening, I tend to get stressed or depressed. Of course, this is one of the reasons I smoke daily anyway, to relieve stress and depression that were already there.
3) When I get completely fucking blazed, I feel a little fuzzy-headed the next morning.
Now, here's what happens when I drink:
1) I lose my inhibitions and act irresponsibly.
2) I vomit for hours.
3) I have a terrible migraine the whole of the next day.
Granted, a lot of stoners smoke every single day, multiple times, and this is not particularly healthy--but there are people who drink several times a day, and they tend to develop serious behavioral problems and die an early death (which does not happen to stoners).
There is NO WAY weed is worse for you than alcohol. Absolutely no way.
only the future is gona show how bad long term cannabis useage is, especialy with the powerful skunk strains nowadays
Point 1 : Poison or not, it won't matter. Many good things can result from poison; poison isn't always negative unless it becomes dangerous, ie alcohol poisoning. You will never smoke enough marijuana to reach lethal levels. Another good example of this is Botox. Read this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seag420
Basically, they take one of the most potent and lethal poisons ever known; one that can kill with just mere nanograms of the material (Botulinum), and use it to control muscular movements and spasms.
Point 2 : A "Whitey" is not a serious illness. Ever seen someone puking blood while emptying their stomachs from smoking weed?
Point 3 : Go to that website in my Point 1, and then go here.
Here's a quote on the subject, from that site.
Some research suggests that marijuana has no significant effectâ??good or badâ??on the immune system of people living with HIV. Studies from the Multicenter AIDS Cohort Study evaluating outcomes in 1,662 HIV-positive users of psychoactive drugs (marijuana, cocaine, LSD, etc.) found that none of the drugs were linked to a higher rate of HIV disease progression or loss of CD4+ cell counts. Of the men who took part in the study, 89% reported using marijuana in the preceding two years. A recent study, presented in 2000, examined the short-term impact of marijuana, dronabinol or placebo on HIV levels, CD4+ cell count and HIV levels. After twenty-one days, the use of marijuana did not appear to have harmful affects. Much longer-term studies are needed before concluding that marijuana use is either safe or unsafe for people living with HIV, however.
and another ...
Itâ??s not at all clear that this kind of weight gain, that consists more of body fat than of lean muscle, will benefit the overall health and longevity of a person with HIV-related wasting. However, if medical marijuana is combined with a comprehensive nutritional and weight maintenance program, as well as exercise, it may prove useful. Because of these concerns, it is important that evaluating the medical effects of marijuana not be limited to measuring weight gain, as this may lead to false conclusions about its value.
When considering all the safety factors associated with marijuana use, itâ??s important to weigh these factors against the harm being done by wasting. What may sound harmful to a healthy person may seem irrelevant to another when compared to the alternatives they face.
Point 4 : In certain cases, I'm sure it can be psychologically addictive to certain people; but to the general populace, it is not nearly as addictive as is alcohol, nor as dangerous.
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Nope, wrong sorry that's completely wrong. Think about every single time you've smoked, Imagine if every one of those times you were drinking instead of smoking. I know for a fact I would be much more fucked up, my liver would be so fucked up and i would be a pretty fucking bad alcoholic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seag420
HOW POWERFUL DOESN'T MATTER! If you have some strong skunk, smoke one bowl of it, maybe two, and get either high as fuck or obliterated, respectively. Whereas with weaker weed, it doesn't take a fucking scientist to derive that you'd need to smoke more of the shittier weed to achieve the same high as you would with the skunk. EXAMPLE : 1 Bowl of High Quality Skunk = 1 Bowl of Mids+ 1 Bowl of Mids+ 1 Bowl of Mids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seag420
Broken down, it means that the higher the potency, the less *smoking* is actually required. Very similar to alcohol, but without the dangers.
here's the link to my essay. click this right here
1. alchohol still destroys a shitload of brain cells.
2. alchohol has destroyed more families than ANY other drug, even the hard illegal ones.
3. alchohol actually gets you "high" (though we call it "drunk") by poisoning your brain and destroying the brain cells, wheras weed gets you high by stimulating certain receptors.
4. alchohol is very bad for your liver, kidneys, and digestive system in general. marijuana has been shown to be very beneficial on these.
5. I've gotten drunk and felt sick like I've been poisoned for 2 days afterwards. the worst I've ever gotten from a day of marathon all-day weed smoking is a groggy feeling from burning out.
6. THC has recently been shown to very effective in preventing heart disease. alchohol (obviously) is not doing your heart any favours.
7. alchohol can make you sick to your stomach and give you a good puke, weed can stimulate your appetite and significantly releives nausea and stomach pain. just last week I took a bunch of painkillers on an empty stomach (oops) and nearly threw up. so I took only 2 tokes and my stomach felt 100% better.
8. weed has numerous medicinal qualities wheras alchohol has only detrimental effects.
9. most people are still able to function decently when stoned. I and all my friends go out in public totally stoned and can hide it relatively well. we may talk kind of funny and forgetfully while high, but unlike a drunk we're not swaying from side-to-side and you can't tell just by looking at us. and don't even try telling me weed impairs driving more than alchohol.
10. when driving, weed enhances vision (In life in general) wheras alchohol makes vision blurry and overall shitty.
11. the depressed/happy ratio with stoned people compared to drunk people is way more frequently happy.
12. vaporization takes care of the lung issues, and it's till not nearly as cancer causing as tobacco.
13. THC can actually prevent some types of cancer.
well shit, I could go on forever really...
mighty 420, while you and i may only toke one or 2 hits of some powerful skunk, other people will take hit after hit, no matter how powerful the skunk. dazenfmiester, yer right, we would definatly be worse off if we'd been drinkin for years instead of tokin, but remember, its all relative, its still bad for yer.
dude just admit that you were wrong and should have thought before you spoke about how they're equally bad for you. Although marijuana can be a -tiny- bit bad for you, alcohol is certainly a lot worse+Quote:
Originally Posted by Seag420
At times, people might splurge. But how many people out there do you know that smoke, say, an ounce of some dank ass weed everyday? For the most part, people can't AFFORD to do it. The average smoker just doesn't have that kind of income or that reliable and steady a source. I've known some ridiculous stoners in my time, and I myself am not a lightweight (more of an everyday smoker), but anyway you splice it, weed is better for you than alcohol. Granted it's probably not COMPLETELY safe if smoked, but remember, water bongs are a cheap and effective way to filter the smoke, and vaporizers get the job done quite nicely without the smoke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seag420
like i said, its all relative, alcohol may be worse but many people on this website are gona regret that they ever started tokin oneday. and mrdevious, most of what you said is all theroy, like point 6, thc helping the heart. it may, but like i said, check yer heart rate when yer wrecked, the speed at which yer heart is beating can only be a bad thing if yer keep getting stonned for years. i know this for a fact. my mum, as well as years ago (over 12) being an alcoholic, which no doubt did her heart damage, took up smoking weed about 8 years ago. she also smoked tabbaco. she smoked the herb everyday, and up until december 2003 i thought she was fine. the one day i came home from college and she was seriously ill in bed. i wont go into to many details but basically she sufferd a major heart attack in front of my eyes, if i hadnt of skived from the last lesson to ring for an ambulence she would have died. we never told the doctors that she smoked weed, but when they ran tests afew days later they found that her viens and artierys were amazingly clear for a ciggy smoker. that means that the heart itself was damaged. the doctors said that they didnt know why her heart was damaged, but it wasnt the tabbaco. while the alcohol abuse did its damage, the weed certainly contributed.
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Originally Posted by Seag420
A saddening experience, so I won't touch upon it too much. I just think it's a weak claim to relate her heart attack with marijuana at all. It could be a variety of things, such as, well, the alcohol and cigarettes, genetics, fatty foods, etc. Besides, I doubt the doctors would be able to so accurately pinpoint what didn't cause it, ie tobacco or alcohol, especially because I'm sure the alcohol and tobacco surely did have something to do with it, as it's been proven that prolonged use of both of these substances can raise the risk of heart problems.
while those other things probely contributed, the weed did its damage too. all you have to do is check yer pulse like ive said to know that if you got stonned enough times over a long enough period of time, its gona do yer heart damage. yer heart is a muscle, what happens when you do enough push ups, yer bi ceps and tri ceps grow. its the same with the heart muscle
if her blood veins were remarkably clear for a smoker...isn't that a good thing?
Not neccessarily true. That's like saying that if someone runs a lot they have a shorter life expectancy. Your heart rate increases when running, does it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seag420
:rolleyes:
yer heartrate does increase when running, but in general someone who runs alot is going to be alot healthier than the average stonnner. also, and this is a key fact, when you get stonned you wont breath like when yer running. that means that the heart isnt getting enough oxygen, and thats not a good thing. yer hearts beating as fast as a runners but without the oxygen the runners is getting.
wrong...i owe my life to mary jane it pulled me out of a deep depression and turned my life aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Seag420
if i died tomorrow as a direct cause of weed i would be happy because with i lived a longer and better quality life than if i hadnt ever puffed my first J
Yea, I live happy everyday and smoke once a week, and it just makes it better. But i dont obsess about it everyday and yurn to smoke all the time, its just a hobby i guess. Maybe i will regret it one day, but just because i know i'll get busted by the pigs one day.
you might be thankful for the herb, but alot of people ARE going to regret ever tokin oneday. most of us will probley just stop using it oneday, without any real problems, but sum people are just plain pot junkies!
Well, i guess we're all right, but you have to consider the individual, and not this will happen to all smokers, but just some.
Trust me, my heart gets plenty of oxygen when my heartrate increases, as does everyone elses. People, marijuana is nothing new. Saying that "oh, we'll see, only the future can tell" is ridiculous, simply because marijuana is so old and "the future" has not shown any evidence that marijuana is harmful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seag420
Your heart will get the oxygen it requires to beat faster when you're high. I've never seen or heard of anybodies heart just giving out on them while smoking weed, or as a result of it.
ANY ASS HOLE WHO THINKS MARIJUANA IS WORSE FOR HEALTH THAN TOBACCO CAN GO FUCK HIMSELF
mighty 420, have you even looked for evidence about weeds harmfull effects, or are you just listening to what other stonners are telling you? type in marijuana + heart on google and look for some proof that it is NOT harmful. also, peoples hearts wont just give up on them when there stonned, its a long term problem