SeedKing's 1st Grow Northenr Lights/ W Rhino

Okay, well now is the time to get this going:

First thing first, thanks to all the people who have been very helpful. Especially Harddon and Marc Benson.. I am hoping you treat me like a apprentice...

This is my first grow, these are the specs:

Closet Grow: Roughly 5.5 * 2 feet, 400 Watt HPS and MH converter bulb and 5 2*40 Watts 4 foot flourescents (mixture of Cool white/and warm) inside walls painted flat white and then lined with Thermal blankets that you get from Walmart for $2.00

Strains: 5 Northern Lights, 5 White Rhino + Bag seeds.. The goal is to cull down to 4-5 female

Day One: 9-21-2005

Man I have sprouts, I feel like a dad watching over his daughters. I have not named these broads yet, perhaps Senorita Harddona and Senora Marcita B. I germ'ed in jiffy pots and also reg dirt, the Jiffy pots took off.. so next time I will use jiffy pots.. I can see 6 doing some stuff, the bag seed aint dont shit.. there loss..

Man these things grow...

I swear, I went to get my hair cut and when I came back they had doubled in size and this was all in the same day.. This is what I did:

Still day one 9-22-2005

1. I turned on the fans and let some air blow on them.. I guess this is supposed to strengthen them..

2. I moved the flourescent so its about 2 inches away.. I dont want them stretching to the light... using cool whites..

3. I watered them lightly with water (1 gallon of water with 1/4 teaspoon of SuperThrive, [not the whole gallon that was just the ratio],the water is Natutal Spring Water [ or so the bottles says], gonna switch to distilled water.. or should I???

Will post more pics on day 2

They will grow by the hour in their early stages. Enjoy it as it is fun to watch.

Keep the fan on them 24/0....do not turn it off.

I dont like distilled water. It is essentially dead water as all the water atoms have been stripped to their bare selves. The entire molecular structure of the water molecule has been dissaembled.

There is nothing 'bad' about it but is still essentially 'dead' water. Great if you are running a coal processing plant :)

There is nothing wrong with tap water....well I guess that depends on where you live...for the most part.....

More important is the pH of the water. Make sure its adjusted down to 6.8

Reverse Osmosis water is better but still not required.

The master has spoken..so there will most definitely be Senorita Harddonita now..

Day 2 Sept 23:

1. Gonna stick to TAP water that has sat in a 1 gallon jug for several days to remove the Chlorine.. Now what is the best way to adjust the PH?

2. Tried to get the FLor 2 inhes from CHICAS.. One seems to reaching for the lights.. The fans are running 24 hours..

3. Performed some minor surgery because I think I planted the seeds to deep, removed some of the dirt and saved my NINAS.. LESSON LEARNED: Only plants your seeds shallow enough to cover them.. I would say 1/4 of and inch..

4. I have 4 NL , 4 WR and 3 Bag Seeds.. Now the goal is to kepp all these BROADS alive and hope only 1/2 go CHICO on me, that would give me roughly 5 plants.. I would be happy if 2-3 more sprout to increase my chances.. I feel like some of my little JANES are still born.. so we have 11 Thats no bad.. The Nirvanas had a good geermination rate... I planted 5 of each got 4 of each so far..

5. Child rearing is addictive, I was so HYPED.. I could barely sleep. This is more addictive than the smoke...

6. Very hard to get clear pics with a digital camera, gotta learn to use the F-ing camera.. Damn there should me a seedling mode..

"I am hoping you treat me like a apprentice..."

My record suggests I'm no master, and I really don't feel anyone is until they've grown numerous grows, not just a couple. That said, we the humble growers know who the masters really are...mighty Ganja. We only try to honor them with gifts of bat guano, blood meal and vinegar-tainted agua. They reward us with spectacular flowers covered with copious amounts of their cherished resinous liquids. Or in my case manifestations of plant eating Thysanoptera, necrosis, deformations and mental anguish. Master? I think not. Student...yes. Always will be. When we think we aren't and are beyond learning...is when we fail. Remember this...Grasshopper.

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Originally Posted by Marc Benson

Or in my case manifestations of plant eating Thysanoptera, necrosis, deformations and mental anguish. Master? I think not. Student...yes.

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ROFLMAO......Speak for yerself there MB...

I will accept the accolades...all that I can get....

Besides, I have mastered the thrips, catepillars, necrosis and deformations.

I am still working on the mental anguish part of the equation :) :) :)

Oh wise one, to those who have never grown and are giddy with anticipation you are to us a master... Your gentle chiding and thoughtful words are heeded.

See MB....

EVEN YOU AND I ARE MASTERS IN THE EYES OF THE LITTLE ONES.

STOP CUTTIN US DOWN DOOFUS :D

I gotta fricking reputation to upkeep.

Its kinda hard to take a picture of a closet, couldn't get a good angle..I would almost need to take the doors off.. Keep in mind that this is only growing some sprouts now.. I guess I will have to make some changes when these get transplanted into 5 gallon pail... I have round ones and some square ones, I prefer the square ones, but they are hard to come by, I had to buy cat litter to get them.. and I do have a cat and he likes to eat weed, so that was his contribution..The square take less room and are easier to place close together..


1. Should I put reflective material over the top of the, I can add a shelf somehow with reflective material over the light... I will find some way to do it..

2. I had planned to let these sprouts stay in the jiff pots for 2 weeks or until the roots start shooting out the sides.. I wonder if it would have be better to go from jiff to 6 inch to 5 gallon.. the less I have to transplant the better?

3. Harddon.. I noticed you had reflective material on the bottom.. I had thought it was bad to reflect light on the underside of the plants.. but if you say different, I will make it so... when I transplant.. but it may not be to big of a diff, because the hopefully all the pots will be square and they will be tightly packed.. I may just put white rocks on top of the dirt.. ( I been paying attention to your other threads)

4. How close can I put the fans? they dry out the dirt quicker but I can water and mist everyday..

I don't mimd making Adjustments, I am the pupil!

Ok now I have a better idea of your setup...

I would save the mercury in those vertical floros for now. They are too far away to benefit your seedlings so its just a waste of juice and light chemicals in those tubes for now.

Next I see your fans way up top. Not sure what they are for....but....make sure you have a fan blowing right on your seedling betweent the tops and the light surface. From your pics I cant see if you are doing that.

The fan should not tear the heads off the seedlings but should make them flap and flutter gently against the wind.....soon only the leaves will flutter and the stem will remain still.

I would add at least another set of floros to the canopy.

You can get some real true CFL long tubes like you have that have very high Kelvin temps in those bulb style and sizes.

http://www.fullspectrumsolutions.com...comparison.htm

they can hook you up with 5500 & 5900K floro tubes....trust me you will thank me in 28 days if you do :)

"STOP CUTTIN US DOWN DOOFUS"

What does it make you if you misspell dufus?

Yes, Right Away

The Vertical ones were on just for the pic, They are off for the seedlings.. I like your attention to detail...

Okay, I moved the fans and they are flapping and fluttering in the wind.. Kinda makes me nervous.. but we will see..

I will see if I can hang another light somehow..

I will look into the other bulbs and see if I can afford it, keep in mind I do have a 400 Watt MH for Veg.. its just not in the pic.. but more is better..

Your will be done..

hey real quick i havent had a chance to study your work but the first plant on the right in the pot looks like shes fighting a hurricane.

the stems should flutter back and forth not take on the constant angle of my broken dick :D

just wanted to post this for i study your pics and she dies :eek:

If you've got the MH I'd for sure use it. Just not right at first or you might burn the little kids. And I'd have that light right down on top of 'em. When I first started the ones I'm growing right now I had the 2 footer I was using at the time laying on the top of the container. Just make sure there's air blowing across the top of the container, which will mean it's blowing in the container too. Just enough.

Yeah, I moved the fans back farther and turned them on low.. That plant is kinda droopy even without the fan.. now they are just fluttering on the top a little.. better safe than sorry..

How close can I go to the canopy, right now I am about two inches.. I can add another catalog under them to bring them closer to the light.. it would be a inch..

I dont think you need them more than 1".....you can get that close.

You are losing tons of side light though.

I would take the big white cardboard sheets they sell in wal mart for creepy fucking school kids to cut and make posters out of...and drap them on the sides of that light fixture you have.

so you creat in effect a tunnel shaped light dome..the fan blows fresh air in one end and it escapes out the other. The hanging white paper sheets reflect the light back and forth thousands of times until its absorbed by the green of the leaves...

or the red of your encyclopedia :D (cover that up too)

Okay I got that done, they are about 1.25 inches..

I added the creepy kid white board... gotta work on that to get it tighter.. consider it better in the future...I will try to smooth down the sides so there is no gap.. work in progress..

Covered up the book with mylar.. I better cover up that blue box also..

It is such a nice thing to have people that actually take and apply advice :)

Much like 9ski9 did :) And stickygreenlightsabre.

That looks real good and your plants will benefit from the efforts.

I am curious though...with the fan blowing against the taller containers, how are the smaller containers behind the bigger ones getting thier stems blown?

Ideally all of you plant tops should create a straight canopy or level canopy. Having a seedling positioned 4 inches from the bulb surface because your taller ones are 1 inch away, affects them adversly.

This may not be the case...but...just in case......check it out :)

Looking good now.

When do you plan on placing them in real containers?

I see the error of my ways:

Lessons learned:

Use the same type of container: Well here is what happened, I had these jiffy pots that I was gonna use (the kind that expand as you add water) then I also got some the kinds that are already expanded.. I called myself doing a experiment to see which would work better.. the jiffy pots came up quickly... Then to make things worse I had some bag seeds, and I decided they were just crap because the weed was crap.. so I called myself making my own containers for the bag weed. which was stupid because it turns out that just because the weed was crap doesnt mean the seeds are crap.. something about how they were grown, how they were transported, effetcs the final product.. so they could have some good genetics.. sorry for BABBLING.. too make a long story short, I should have used all the same type of containters:

Use 6 inch to start out with: Then transplant into bigger container.. The way things look now I am gonna have to transport soon (I could be wrong) into something bigger and all I have is my five gallon bucket.. Could it be too soon to do that.. The plan was give them all the room they wanted at first.. even though I would have a bigger pot to water,more dirt etc.. So I wonder what should I really do.. Transport to 5 gallon when ready OR transport to smaller pot and then later to the 5 gallon.. I am thinking less transplanting better..

1. When will I transplant, I was gonna wait until they were 2 weeks.. give them a week to re-coup and then turn on the 400 Watt MH.. What do you think..? I was expecting to see some roots shooting out the side of the jiffy pots..

2. I wish all the plants were the same size. That means some are closer to the light, some are farther from the light.. It woud be better if I had two lights to try to even it out.. I wonder if some of those Puntas will stretch..

Also, yes it is nice for people to follow advice.. I have no problem doing it, I have never raised any SENORITAS, so my ego is turned off. plus if I take your advice you are more apt to help, that is just LIFE.. One day I will be the master, but this is my first GROW.. so having some good smoke is worth laying down my ego, when I finally grow some killer smoke.. Your name will be song in the halls of THC laced bitches.

You can adjust the canopy levelness by giving your babies a booster chair to the light, rather than bringing the light to the plant.

I would tranplant at two weeks...get them into a stable rooting environment. Let them have at it and give them 3 days to adjust, then at 17 days hit them with the MH and veg them til you are happy :)

Then one last final transplant prior to flower. Follow the fundamentals of transplant in the faq and use a the rooting hormone powder and they'll not miss but a few hours.

Should I go right into the 5 gallon buckets in two weeks..

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Originally Posted by SeedKing72

Should I go right into the 5 gallon buckets..

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Stepper by stepper huh? :)

I'll copy and paste it again for ya :)

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I would tranplant at two weeks...get them into a stable rooting environment. Let them have at it and give them 3 days to adjust, then at 17 days hit them with the MH and veg them til you are happy

Then one last final transplant prior to flower.

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Hope that clears it up for ya :)

So sorry, Gotcha, so I will go get some smaller pots, like 3 gallons.. go into 5 gallons right before flower..thanks

This little northern light bitch worries me, IT (she hopefully) she was the first one up.. she is kinda drooping... where the other ones are growing straight up, but they are not as big.. I worry they will droop too, she had a head start.. should I worry and just wait and see or is there something I can do, re-plant her around some dirt.. to strengthen her... her name is Hermosa and I love her.. :)

Droopy needs to be in a new plant container buried right up to one half her stem height.

ASAP :)

have you got the lights about 10 feet away or something? stretching like crazy

done.. I think I am gonna kill her..

No, they are like 1.5 inches.. she is the only one..

Dont kill her :)

just replant deeper

"I will go get some smaller pots, like 3 gallons.. go into 5 gallons right before flower"

That suggestion was made to me also but do you understand how hard that's going to be?! Think of a 3 gallon chunk of loose airy dirt with a big plant sticking out of it turning it upside down and then right side up and trying to put it in a 5 gallon container without it falling apart?! Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. And especially if you have to do it by yourself. Even with someone else it'll be tough. Sorry. I'd go from the 6" containers right to the 5's. Not that much difference between the 3 and the 5 anyway. FWIW.

You may be right, because I am using 1/2 soil 1/2 perlite and that shit is loose.. I mean its really loose like an overworked female.. will keep this in mind as I go on.. something to think about..

YOu transplant with a wet root/dirt ball.

You will lose not one grain of dirt.

If you transplant a dry plant, yes, your dirt will be everywhere.

Besides a guy with 20" arms shouldnt have any probs handling a pussy pot plant :)

Day 3: Sept 24th

1. Okay still growing like a weed, but I have to admit my CUNTS are destined for the WNBA, they sure are tall and lanky and I got the light right on them 1.5 inches.. This has me somewhat worried.. but maybe my BROADS are just tall and lanky. I will be glad when they are a little more sturdier, then I wont fret in my sleep. May bury 1/2 way in dirt like I did Senorita Hermosa

2. Senorita Hermosa (AKA DROOPY), seems to still be growing, I love her so much, I though I had killed her with my HALF ASS transplant job, where I burried half her ass in dirt to give her some more strength... I am still praying for her Bow your heads: (Oh father who are in heaven....)

3. WARNING This shit is addictive, I think about my PUNTAS all day long. I fret, I worry and love them all.. Its kinda crazy, becuase I have put bag seeds in dirt before just to see them grow and I didnt even give a fuck about them, I would come back 2 weeks later and there would be a strong chron-plant, and I didnt DO ANYTHING to them.. I think I just got first DADDY jitters.. but This shit is ADDICTIVE.. fun though...

4. Still Fretting about wether to go into 3 gal or 5 gal right away.. have about 10-12 days to think about it.. LESS TRANSPLANT THE BETTER and my soil mix is 1/2 soil 1/2 perlite and the shit is SUPER LOOSE, just like a whore..

SeedKing,

I'm a noob... but anyways... why don't you do a SoG setup? If they're stretching so much...

On a side note: I was glad to see the spanish names you gave your plants... Fun. Just one thought: What are you calling "PUNTAS"? Puntas is spanish for female points. If you want to call them prostitues, that would be "PUTAS".

Please let me know how they react to the new verbal "support". :)

-turtle420 :cool:

Muchas Gracias, mi espansol es muy mal.. I though Punta was BITCH, I could be wrong.. All the spanish I am learning is non-cussing.. Donde esta el bano (where is the bathroom)..

Why I did not do SOG: Well I started with seeds and I am a firm believer that you should use female clones for SOG.. I may do SOG once I get some clones from these PUTAS

All these PUTAS will have spanish names, once I know they are going to live, there will be a Senora Harddonita and perhaps a Senorita Marcita B
Adios

Seedking here's some pics of some of the plants I had/have going. Not to rub it in but all 4 of these plants looked like this when they were just seedlings. Super low. Sprouted and then just spread out. But I used cfl's and had them right down on them. You can see that in one of the pics. I think maybe this is your problem. The big 4 footers put out some light but they do all along the length where as the cfl's are concentrated to one small area.

And it doesn't matter how big your arms are, it's still going to be as bitch to translplant 3 gallons of dirt with a plant hanging out of it into a 5 gallon container. One reason being that the 5 gallon container is probably not going to be that much larger in diameter than the 3 gallon. If you go from a flower pot to a 5 gallon bucket there probably won't be any difference. So how are you going to sit it down in there? You can't get your hands down there if it's the same size. Grab it by the stalk? Not this kid. Once again, sorry but it doesn't make any sense when going from a large container to one that's just a little larger. Small to large I totally agree.

that's lots of stretch, replant deeper as suggested, I thought you were using good lights if I remember your first post

Damn damn damn.. My ladies dont look anything like that.. WHAT TO DO? WHAT TO DO? Oh father in heaven, hallow be thy name...

Yeah, I think I need to plan those bitches deeper.. ON MY WAY TO THE NURSERY now, gonna buy 10 6 inch pots so I have the same consistent pots.. This is a lesson learned... I will know better next time...