I don't mean to single you out. But, if God loves us all, why did he let Hurricane Katrina fuck up the gulf coast so bad?
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I don't mean to single you out. But, if God loves us all, why did he let Hurricane Katrina fuck up the gulf coast so bad?
That wasn't God, that was SatanQuote:
Originally Posted by naturalmystic
Howdy natural,Quote:
Originally Posted by naturalmystic
Because God gave us free will .. and we are here to learn our lessons of Life..Earth is not Heaven..where we will feel no pain and we know and understand the Truth,this mortal coil,is for evolving our souls to a point that we can enter Heaven..how we respond to such terrible events,yields more in learning..than if God spared us everytime something bad was about to happen. We can pray for God to spare lives,because being alive..is more valuable than all of the material wealth in the world.
Have a good one...
You wouldnt feel pain without nerve endings anyway Torog....Without the body if and when the "soul" survives it couldnt feel pain not having nerve endings and all (the only reason WE feel pain....)
It would seem for many people, the only lesson learned in many situations is that life is shit. everybody doesn't come out stronger and clearer minded from bad situations, and some come out down right hating god. and frankly, I don't know why god can't just create us as being all wise and perfect.
but, this is why I dont' believe in god. I've yet to see one single piece of logical evidence supporting his existence.
There is no god, you fucking weird religious people
tsk tsk, no questioning the magical man in the sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by tylerkane
As Euphoric brought up in another thread, if you can feel no pain in Heaven, what about spending eternity with the knowledge that many of your loved ones are in excruciating pain burning in a lake of fire? Surely that is greater than any pain you could endure on earth.
I'm pretty sure God, if he existed, would be smart enough to come up with a better, less painful method of teaching people knowledge than a hurricane. He would know everything there is to know about knowledge acquisition and effective teaching methods. He would even have the power to directly tamper with what we know and do not know (to assert that he can't because we have free will, is to say that God is not all-powerful...it seems to be just a matter of rearranging the molecules in the neural network of the brain). I mean, we COULD train doctors how to treat gunshot wounds by shooting them, but it's a lot easier to just explain it to them in a non-violent classroom setting. And if we had a computer that we could hook up to the student's brain and transfer all the information directly, like God should be able to do, it would be even easier, and nobody would have to get hurt.
HAHA! That's a good one!Quote:
Originally Posted by BobBong
Anything bad that happens just blame it on him.
You know, god has killed far many more people than satan, according to the bible satan has only killed one person, & only because god said he could.
What a prick god is.
I believe in none of it, it's all filth!
how come nobody considers that maybe god is just defaming satan because he's the opposing political party? I mean think about it, every dictator out there will do whatever it takes to keep the opposition down and convince the public the opposition is all that is wrong. I say we call a vote!
That's impossible, because they don't exist!!
And who's to say God wouldn't just rig the election? After all, he is supposedly all-powerful. Which also means he wouldn't just bow down and let Satan rule the universe in the event of Satan winning the vote.
Also, an election would only be fair if it included all the intelligent species in the universe. Taking that into account, I highly doubt humanity would have any impact on the outcome of the vote at all. There must be tons and tons of intelligent lifeforms throughout the billions of galaxies that exist, and we only make up a tiny percentage of that population. It wouldn't really matter who anybody on this planet voted for.
why is ppl here ALWAYS trying to make the others feel like if they were wrong or something.
Becuase some idiots have a lot of false hope, & believe in a pie in the sky. Those people were put here for my entertainment.
Howdy Warlock,Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
I think that God-less heatherns like you,were put here as an example of what happens to those who choose to wallow in the pig sty of paganistic hedonism..and cast aside their spirituality,for the carnal pleasures of the flesh.
Ye shall know the Truth..when you pass to the other side of the veil between the living and the dead..to ignore your own soul..will bring great peril and harm upon you..to turn your back on God..will cause you to be an earth-bound spirit,forever lonely,sad and wretched. If all you have--is darkness in your heart..then Darkness will claim you. Ever see the movie,Ghost ? When the criminal,Willy,dies,the Dark shadows of Hell..come to claim him..such will be your fate..if you have no love or compassion , in yer heart and soul.
Repent of your sins..and acknowledge Jesus Christ,as the Son of God and your Saviour..and you shall be spared eternal torment and damnation,in the fires of Hell..stand with the Light..do not join with the Dark. If you seek Darkness..it will come to you..and you do not have the strength of spirit..to resist..you will be consumed..by the soul-eaters of Hell.
Have a good one ....
How can I possibly put my trust in Jesus Christ with this glaring lie of his in Matthew 16:28?
He clearly prophesied that the Second Coming would occur within the lifetimes of the people he was speaking to way back in the first century. The fact that the Second Coming didn't happen within Jesus' allotted time frame is all the evidence we need to show that the prophecy of the Second Coming was false.Quote:
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
You complete fucking nutcase. You're the kind of moron I'm talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
You can stick Jesus & all his false teachings up your ass. I have no time for people like you.
There are no soul-eathers of hell, I think you've listened to too many horrific bible stories or seen too many Stephen King movies. Get over your false world & come get in touch with reality.
What is wrong with Carnal pleasures of the flesh?! Why would I deny them? I'll tell you why I won't stop taking part in carnal pleasures of the flesh...
Because I live life to the full & I have fun, not like you greasy little christians.
You are the weaker people on this earth & your day shall come.
Actually, I have read in some books that it was not Jesus himself who said that the Second Coming would take place in the first or second centruy AD, but rather the new Christians. Remeber, Jesus didn't write the Gospels, and no one was following him taking notes in order to write books. The Gospels were written between 50 and 100 years after Jesus died, so there's obviously going to be mistakes and intentional changes by the authors. The evangelists simply wrote down the Gospels as they thought it should be, and that's what we're left with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ermitonto
To call Jesus a liar is a bit of an exaggeration, but it's true that early Christians believed the Second Coming was imminent. Actually, around the year A.D. 1,000 was some mass hysteria for 4 reasons: the Vikings were raiding northern European coastal towns, the Magyars were steamrolling through eastern Europe to eventually settle in Hungary, killing everything in their path, the Muslims in North Africa were at their peak and were threatening Europe by taking over more than half of Spain, and would have continued were it not for Charles Martel, a French king (!) who defeated them. The final reason we know all to well: I'll just call it YK. It was simply hysteria surrounding the fact that the year 1,000 would be an important number.
Well, 1,000 came and went, The Vikings and Magyars were converted, the Moors were pushed back.... That was really the end of belief in the imminence of End of Times.
BTW, Torog, stop deluding yourself and others, it's useless.
Howdy Warlock,Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
The flesh is weak...the spirit is strong and ever-lasting..indulging in the carnal pleasures of the flesh..weakens your soul..you exist for gratification of your wants,whims and desires..when will you feed your soul--instead of your flesh ?
You build your house on sand--I build mine on rock..which do you think is weakest ?
You're right about one thing..there will be a day of Judgement..for us all. And you won't be able to use any of your fellow God-less lawyers for your defense .. when you stand in Judgement before God..and your sins are read from the Book of Life.
Have a good one ....
Warlock clearly believes in God from his mentioning of Hell.
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Please stop making me laugh... Reading your posts is like jumping into a time machine, I love it.
Howdy FLESH,
You request:"BTW, Torog, stop deluding yourself and others, it's useless."
From where I satnd,it's folks like you and Warlock,that are deluding others..and it's not only useless..but harmful as well. To feed on the pleasures of the flesh..is to starve the soul..how is it--that one can git high..without feeling their spirit ? How can one be a partaker of cannabis..and not feel their spirit ? You want your fellow cannibinauts to be shallow and 2 dimensional..we are much more than that ! When I git stoned..my spirit soars with joy..and the boundaries that our conscience mind constructs...fade away..it's like walking from a closet..into a huge stadium..or the outdoors..what was once bound--is free !
Have a good one ....
Howdy FLESH,Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
But...laughter is good for the soul..man ! lol
Yup..I'm stuck in the '70's..lol..and my values are old-fashioned too..I reckon that makes me politically-incorrect..oh well ! lol
Have a good one ...
Oh no, I didn't mean the 1970s, I mean the 1070s, the 1170s... You preach and accept views on the Bible that have gone out of fashion centuries ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
You're clearly wrong. Have you not read a thing i've said?Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
Yeah, OK, you're a complete looney. You really are. It shows what incompatence you display if you really think that, or indeed believe in these "prophets" & spirits etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy FLESH,Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
Okay..I git it now...lol..say--did ya read my other reply to ya ? I was hoping for your comments on it too..it starts with"BTW...".
Have a good one !
Isnâ??t there some way you can just be respectful of other peopleâ??s differences?
Everyone doesnâ??t have to believe the same thing,
God / Jehovah / Gaeya / Buddha / the great nothingâ?¦whatever.
Tolerance, respect and love are what itâ??s all about
â?? regardless of personal beliefs.
For a bunch of stoners you lot donâ??t half get your knickers in a knot.
Maybe you need to change your smoke����
Edit; stop insulting people - you're startin to piss me off
Howdy Warlock,Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
Lordy ! Don't tell me that you only believe in what you can see..I thought that 'warlocks' believed in the spirit world.
Don't you know..that there are more things in Heaven and Earth..than Man will ever know ?
Have a good one...
You wanted my comments? Well guess what... You're absolutely right! About the getting stoned part, at least.... The difference, I simply refuse to place my spirit, life-force, or whatever you wanna call it in a Christian framework, because I simply don't believe in it. To me, putting your faith in an omnipotent being, caring more for the after-life than for life, are all mis-guided, and cannabis has only pushed me harder in that direction. Christianity is, simply put, to deny the potential of mankind to be God themselves. We live in our world now and today, so let's make it a better place now. The after-life is completely irrelevant for obvious reasons. Why make sacrifices today to ensure that you will be ok aftr you die? It really doesn't make sense to me. Do you really need a religion to tell you that killing someone is bad? that lying is bad? that disrespecting your parents is bad? No you don't because we already know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
What you call God, I call consciousness. When you die, you wanna make things right with God, I wanna make things right with my conscience.
That's what happens in a religion forum... :D The thing is, when someone feels they're onto something, they tend to want others to 'see the light', so to speak...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lulu
Yes, and you've said, in a different thread, that all hypocritical-Christians will... "burn in hell".Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
Funny...off by several hundred years.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
I'll believe in anything with evidence that backs it upQuote:
Originally Posted by Torog
It's a phrase, as in pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
It's a name, that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Yes, I do realize that the Gospels were probably based on exaggerated oral history, so we can't really attribute anything said in the Bible directly to Jesus, but when Christians want me to trust in Jesus they want me to base that trust on the material contained in the Bible (since we have virtually no other sources for information about him). Since Biblejesus predicts the Second Coming within the lifetimes of the people alive at the time, I can't trust Biblejesus, and since I have no way of knowing what Realjesus actually said (assuming he existed), I can't trust Realjesus either.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
By the way, what was the evidence that Jesus didn't really preach such a quick return? It seems to me like it would be downright impossible to prove what somebody said or didn't say 2000 years ago whose life was never documented until decades after his death.
that right there is a contridictory statment to everything you christians and god believers stand behind remember? god is in control of everything if he is, then he COULDN'T spare anyone.... sparing someone is to save someone, you can't save someone if you do it on purpose (can't wait to see how the defendant christians turn this around on me) and as said before, if your book does portray him correctly, then he WOULD know a better way to provide wisdom then killing 100's if not 1000's of HIS innocent creatures. another thing, if he was all wise, and we're basicly nothing (in matter of inteligence) to him, then how is he so predictable? we can tell days ahead of tiem the chance for rain, we can tell days ahead of time alot of things, as long as it's not based on another human being (even then we still can alot of times) and ima leave it at this cuz i want this answered: if he's all wise, and we're 1000000000000000000000000000000's times less... how can we predict him so accurately?Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
as to this, i'd a hell of a lot sooner believe in what i can see, then what i can't. i know this is probably taking it out of proportion, but, if i was to tell you there was a pink elephant flying shitting on people would you believe me? or would you not believe it til you saw it for yourself? say the 2nd one and i know you're lying....becasue only an insane person (or one without knowledge of such things) could possibly see that, much less believe that.....Quote:
Howdy Warlock,
Lordy ! Don't tell me that you only believe in what you can see..I thought that 'warlocks' believed in the spirit world.
Don't you know..that there are more things in Heaven and Earth..than Man will ever know ?
Have a good one...
Exactly. You can only "spare" somebody from something threatening if that threat is outside your control. Same goes for God, he could only "spare" somebody from something bad if that bad thing was outside his control somehow. Otherwise, he has simply neglected to do bad; he hasn't saved anyone from anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
This reminds me of a similar glaring contradiction in the Christian conception of a God, which is the fact that the Christian God has very humanlike emotions. Sometimes he's loving and sometimes he's angry, sometime's he's forgiving and sometimes he's wrathful. In the Ten Commandments God admits to being a jealous God. So what's wrong with that? It's simple: emotions are always a response to a stimulus. If you're angry, it's because something in your present or recent past has created a situation you perceive as an injustice. If you're sad, it's because in your present moment something that made you happy or might have made you happy has been taken away from you. But God is supposed to be timeless, experiencing and knowing thoroughly all eternity at once. So he should not show such widely varying emotions. He should not be able to experience anger since he supposedly knows that ultimately all the injustices in the universe will be corrected. The Christian God does not experience stimuli in timed sequences like us, but knows all events in the universe of all times, and should be acting in accordance with the sum total of that knowledge, not just the knowledge of the stimuli that have come up at the time as perceived by humans.
And if individual actions have any influence on God's emotions, this becomes quickly absurd. Say for instance I do something that the Bible looks down upon, like for instance keep my long hair (see here for the Bible verse condemning men wearing long hair), and this supposedly makes God angry. Now that's not fair to the rest of humanity, who must now suffer the consequences of living in a universe with an angry deity simply because of my individual decision about my hairstyle, despite all their devoted chants and idolatry intended to please the deity. So perhaps the deity is indeed amused by the chants and idolatry somehow, and he feels many emotions at once, feeling happiness in some parts because of the chants and idolatry but feeling wrathful anger in other parts because of my long hair.
But this begs the question: why does a "perfect" God not have the self-esteem to be able to live contently without forcing people to worship him all the time and follow his arbitrary rules, or else suffer the punishment of eternal burning?