First Grow - Pro Grow LED Cabinet Grow

Hey ladies and gentleman, this is a grow log for my first ever grow. Prior to starting, I read these forums for months and also read through a very comprehensive book that I bought before purchasing anything so I felt relatively aware of the challenges that I would be facing and the patience required. At this point, I am only in the beginning stages of my first grow and am already salivating at the potential outcome. This grow, and all my future grows, will be for personal use and the satisfaction of nursing a hobby and passion that I've had for a decade.

I am very hands-on and have a hard time not loving my girls to death. Only days after they sprouted from the Rapid Rooter tabs I had germinated them in, I used too strong a nutrient mix of Root Excelurator and Thrive Alive, which caused yellowing of their tiny leaves. I feel that they have recovered well, however one plant is clearly bigger and healthier than the rest. This strain is THC Bomb.

I will be sure to post larger/higher quality pics soon. This is an introduction. Please feel free to ask questions or give me any comments or advice. This is my first grow, I am very eager to learn and share what I have learned.

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This is my cabinet when I purchased it from my a friend that is a carpenter. He had it set up and previously used it with an oven hood with attached fan and light fixtures. However there was no exhaust for the fan so it just stirred the air. There was actually no external ventilation at all, just internal fans to stir the stale air. CFL fixtures were attached to both sides up top and in the lower compartment, which is intended as a seedling/cloning area. There was also a T5 fixture attached to the rear wall.

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This is my cabinet currently. I washed it then lined it with Panda reflective. I removed the hood. I added a T5HO in the lower compartment. There are currently no CFLs in the highest and lowest fixtures because there is no need yet. There are 6400K CFL's in the fixtures closest to the plants. If I'm lucky and the plants grow tall and thick enough, I will put all 2700K CFL's in the fixtures during flowering. I have a Pro Grow LED attached to 2 ratchet hangers. The LED only came with one. I didn't like how it swung freely so I bought another hanger. I have 2 120mm computer case fans fixed to the rear wall - one for exhaust, one for intake. I originally only had the exhaust fan, but temps were too high (85-90) so I added the intake. Under the intake is an ugly HEPA filter that I had planned as a passive intake. I need to find a thin HEPA filter to put over my intake fan.

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This is where the next batch of seeds will grow or my clones will hopefully grow. I have not decided, as I have several varieties of seeds that my wife bought me for my birthday because she's amazing.

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These are the 2 larger plants.

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These are the 2 smaller plants. I was concerned that I was seeing powdery mildew, so I foliar fed with a milk/water mix. Sprayed 2 days ago, results pending.

**Today I looked at the bottoms of the pots and saw roots tips. I went to my local hydro store and purchased some soil and transplanted the 3 healthiest and largest of the 4. It was sad to get rid of my tiny friend, I always "root" for the little guy (or girl), but there was really not room for 4 larger pots, which I had not expected. I will be sure to take pics tomorrow to show the update. I will also update with my nutrients and soil info.**

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Very tough guard dog here! He works for food.

Like I said above, please ask questions and feel free to comment or give me some advice!

sweet looking system you got there man :D i like this :D its clean and tight :thumbsup:

you have a nice set up right there :D

Thank you! I tried to plan as much as possible before starting, but as everyone learned very quickly I'm sure - things require constant adjustment. It's been a fun few weeks and I really can't wait to start flowering in a few more.

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Yesterday, I threw out the smallest and weakest plant, much to my chagrin. I transferred the 3 strongest to larger pots. Today, I covered the top in generic hydroton. I have noticed occasional tiny flies in the cabinet (fungal gnats perhaps), so I have some fly paper hanging and hopefully the hydroton will prevent soil penetration.

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Closed cabinet!

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Each wall looks like this for CFL setup. I am constantly changing the fixture positions to see what might give the best light coverage. These are currently 6400K for veg stage. I will add 2700K in the higher fixtures when I begin flower stage as the plants increase in size and begin bud production. Anybody have any thoughts on using ALL 2700K in both CFL fixtures on both sides? I know catbuds references using a combo of 2700K/6400K during flower for full spectrum coverage. I'm wondering if this is the most beneficial, or if ALL 2700K is the way to go? For the size plants I'm growing I bet it doesn't even make much of a difference. However, I would like to incorporate more substantial under-lighting somehow by flowering time! I will figure something out.

Very nice!
You have a class act there.
Really done your homework.

The dumping of the runt deserves no chagrin. (I just love that word)

Save your ire for "occasional tiny flies in the cabinet"!:eek:

Very bad news.
If you have a few flyers, you already have choke larvae munching your root hairs.

You need to address that right away.
Fungus gnat, are easy, dryer sheets will repel them and cutter yard spray will kill the larvae.
However if those flyers are mature root aphids, it's about to get ugly.

See if you can get a good closeup of the stuck buggers.
We'll get 'em identified.

Aloha,
Weeze

Thanks Weez! I will check it out as soon as I'm awake in the morning while the lights are on and see if I can grab some pics of the tiny bastards. I actual think there are 1-2 in the water bowls that I put in for humidity, so I will take a pic of a bug corpse. They definitely don't look like the pics of root aphids that I can find, hopefully I can avoid that disaster. I was also given some "Coco Caps" coco coir flat sheets at the hydro store a few weeks ago that I completely forgot about and found today that I will use to cover the hydroton, but I'll grab some unscented dryer sheets if you think the coco sheets won't do. It really helps to linger around the hydro store and chat with the people that work there, I always end up leaving with multiple free samples that are more than enough for my grow size.

Here are a few pictures and related questions that I have for the experts:

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Here is one of the bugs that I see sometimes. This one is dead and I pulled it out of a tub of water that I keep in the cabinet for humidity. I am only seeing maybe 1 per 1-2 days. I don't believe there are any at all in the fly paper that I have hanging, but I know I have seen at least one of these walking on a leaf. Fungal gnat?

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It's hard to see in this pic, but the large middle leaf in the lowest cluster has folded edges because the leaves on either side grew into it. It still appears healthy but is this normal?

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There are brown spots on some of the lower leaves in this pic. Again, possibly difficult to see. Possible nutrient or heat burn? The other 2 plants do not have these brown spots on any leaves.

Great job with the grow log. I'm curious about LEDs. U can use woman's nylon stockings or pantiehose to cover your intake, that's a cheap effective way to do it.

Nice to see you using a mulch layer on your containers, seems like most ppl mulch everything but their pot plants.

How about the soil and nutes, what are you using?

Really good first grow. I started my first grow in MG. during veg I began reading stuff. Read MG weed was terrible. Transplanted to FFOF and flowered with no nutes. Got some pretty lame weed. Then I found TLO. And read a lot more. The progression in indoor gardening skills is really cool. The process is the fun part. Smoking the weed is nice too, ;)
Several grows later I can recycle dirt, grow great weed on the cheap. I have spent less than 200$ on growing stuff in the past year.

Keep up the good work. Oh yeah I was also gonna say, I'm paranoid that the grow store will be the source of a pest infestation for me. Hitchhikers. All day everyday guys frantically run in the grow store, "help I have spider mites!" Spider mites fall off there shirt onto the counter. Then I set my arm there while I pay... Then I come home and introduce them to my garden. Paranoid? Never had any bug issues in 5 runs, knock on wood.

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Keep up the good work. Oh yeah I was also gonna say, I'm paranoid that the grow store will be the source of a pest infestation for me. Hitchhikers. All day everyday guys frantically run in the grow store, "help I have spider mites!" Spider mites fall off there shirt onto the counter. Then I set my arm there while I pay... Then I come home and introduce them to my garden. Paranoid? Never had any bug issues in 5 runs, knock on wood.

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That is an interesting thought - very similar to the transfer of bad bacteria in hospitals (anyone familiar with MRSA?). I try to wash everything before introducing it to the garden, but I will definitely do a better job of disinfecting before foreign objects are near my ladies.

I planted my seeds in Rapid Rooters plugs. I used Root Excelurator and Thrive Alive Red during germination. The plan was to use them at about 1/4 of the recommended dose, based on recommendations from people on any forum or website or book that I browsed. However, I ended up mixing it too strong, and not being patient when I should have ONLY used RO water during germination. I had germinated 5 seeds and all 5 sprouted. However, I noticed only a couple days after they sprouted that at least one of them had completely burned early leaves and that one failed to thrive. The other 4 had very minor burn, so I decided to to plant the Rapid Rooters in soil to disperse some of the nutrient/water-soaked Rapid Rooter plugs into the soil and let the seeds breathe a bit.
So, I planted them in Happy Frog soil. I had planned FFOF, but the nice guy at my hydro store said that the Happy Frog is much gentler on young roots because it's lighter on nutrients. So they sat, happily in the Happy Frog under my LED and 2 6400K CFL's. I watered with a nutrient mix that I made based on the Humboldt Nutrient feeding schedule, because I have several of their products, along with a couple others (listed below). I did the nutrient feeding in the morning, and RO distilled water in the evening - 2 feedings per day. After 1-2 days in the soil, the plants began to thrive. After another day, I started seeing signs of powdery mildew, or another ailment on the smallest plant that was not thriving as the others were. I did the milk/water foliar spray.
This week, I discovered they needed to be transferred, so I transferred to the Ocean Forest. I threw out the smallest plant, that seemed to be very stunted or harmed by the ailment I believe was powdery mildew. It would not have fit in my cabinet anyways. I don't know why I never tried putting the EMPTY, larger pots in the cabinet while the cabinet was empty to test! I have slowly increased the strength of the nutrients in the mix I made. They include:

Humboldt Master A
Humboldt Master B
Humboldt Hum Bolt (got a couple bottles as free sample because I chat up the hydro store)
Humboldt Sea Cal
Great White Mycorrhizae
Thrive Alive Red
Root Excelurator

I am now up to about 50-75% of the recommended strength per gallon of these nutrients. There is still one of my three plants that appears to have been affected by the powdery mildew (or mystery ailment). It is the plant that I mentioned in the last post that included pics with the brown spots. I am ONLY going to feed this plant RO water for the rest of the grow - it is planted in the Ocean Forest, which contains organic nutrients and will suffice. I hope she survives so I can actually gauge the difference between the two nutrient-fed plants, and the soil-fed plant. The other 2 plants appear very healthy, and they will continue to receive added nutrients.

I feel that I'm learning a lot from this. I am learning about soil hydration and how often to water (at least for these specific plants). I am learning what to use for equipment in my cabinet (I need to pick up some individual water-catches under each plant so I can drain excess-water easier). I have learned that proper air-filtration, starting from the OUTSIDE of my cabinet, can prevent bugs. My day, there were 7-8 gnats in my humidity water dish. To this day, I am not getting any at all. I believe the clay pellets also had a lot to do with this, keeping mama gnats out of the soil where they would lay their killer eggs.

More to come soon! My big booty hoes are growing exponentially (it seems)! I find myself smoking and then just staring and reflecting at them, wishing they would grow larger and faster almost everyday. This is an exciting time for me haha.

Just a few pics from a few minutes ago of my ladies' continued growth! It's Saturday and we're having a little snow storm so I'm around watching movies and staring at my plants all day. I swear that if I give about 6 hours between checking on them, there will be new leaves growing and the plants will appear at least a half-inch larger - I love checking them.

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I trimmed some leaves on the plant on the right. That is the smallest plant that I believe to have had powdery mildew, and it had some brownish burn marks of some sort on some of the lowest leaves. I trimmed the unhealthy leaves and the plant already looks healthier this evening. I will continue to only water her with RO water, no nutes, as stated in my last post.

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The bottom pic is a closeup of the 2 healthiest-appearing plants out of the 3. They make me so happy :S5:

Please feel free to comment or ask questions as usual!

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Grabbed a couple 5 gallon buckets full of snow this afternoon. By the time they melted halfway down tonight, there was no water in the bucket - still absorbed in the remaining snow. So I refilled them tonight, the snow is MUCH heavier tonight. I look forward to pH testing the snow water tomorrow when melted.

If you use a PH meter, the reading will be sketchy with water that pure.
They don't really work at all, with distilled, or RO water, so we just call them 7.0. :D

Ya need Hydrogen ions to measure Potential Hydrogen, (PH).

Phenolphthalein or test strips will work.
Ours can be quite acidic depending on the vog.

Carry on.
Standing by.

Weeze

I just have the General Hydroponics pH test kit with the test activator drops that I add to a small sample of liquid. This snow is melting soo sloow. Gotta go out and do some more shoveling right now argh.

Ever lived anywhere that has snow, Weezard?

Okay update:

My smallest plant, although trying her best to power through whatever was ailing her, had to be retired. I wish I could give her a proper burial in the backyard but it's under a foot of snow. Even better, I wish I could compost but that would raise questions with my landlord.

Here are a couple pics of the setup right now. I turned the red LED's off for better pics. All comments are welcome!

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I am also planning on switching to flower in about a week.

Very healthy looking.
Well done so far! :thumbsup:

Aloha,
Weeze

Hey forum friends -

Here is a Christmas Eve EVE update! I have purchased saucers to go under my plants for much easier runoff drainage. Not much of a change there, but it looks cleaner and is MUCH easier to empty the runoff!

First picture is the current plants/recent growth with the new saucers under them. You can also, unfortunately, see some of the nutrient deficiency that I am dealing with in the leaves. I am continuing to try to combat this. Any help or suggestions is MORE than welcome. I do believe it is a Calcium deficiency and am treating it with Humboldt Sea Cal at about 4 mL/gallon of water.

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More exciting (at least for me) - I pruned and topped for the first time! I was hesitant to stress the plants and do both the pruning and the topping during the same session, but I figured I'd jump right in and go for it - like I've said many times, I just can't keep my hands off! So, it's been about 24 hours since the topping, and the pictures include the new double tops on both of my ladies! I was so happy to arrive home from work this evening and find them growing!

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My question for the experts today: In regards to collecting runoff/excess water that drips out the bottom of my pots after watering - is it ok to keep 100% of that, as long as it's pH tested? I feel like I am dumping a gallon or 2 of nutrient water down the drain per week, and reusing it would save some money. Also, again, any tips or helpful info regarding the Calcium deficiency in my plants would be much appreciated, too!

Happy Holidays, my friends!

Merry Christmas to everyone! I had some quiet time this morning to do the final transfer that I had been planning on doing, from 1 gallon to 3 gallon pots. My 2 ladies got their new shoes for Christmas :)

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The clay rocks were such a pain to remove before flipping my pots to extract the plants that I don't think I will use them past the smallest pots anymore. I also wish I had gotten a picture of the mass of roots for everyone to see before putting them in the new pots. Switching to flowering this weekend! Nutrients remain the same that I had listed above. I am still using water that I have collected from the snow we've received this year. The soil is FF Ocean Forest with added Perlite. I wish I had purchased some Dolomite Lime to add to the soil also for some calcium because I believe I am still treating a calcium deficiency, but the newest leaves are looking healthy.

Update -

I finally made one of the changes that I had been planning for a while. I installed a dual-tube T5 lamp on the rear wall of my cabinet. I put two warm, 2700K tubes in it. They are old tubes and were given to me by the friend that helped me wire it, so I will buy some new ones when my wallet recovers from the holidays.

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Aside from the new T5, you may also notice that the plants appear a bit shorter or look different. I have made my first try at training, and I am really excited about how it didn't feel as difficult as I thought it was going to be. I used some leftover kabob stakes that I had from summer grillin' :rasta:

I am going to pick up a nutrient P boost this week to feed my ladies for this, their first week of flowering. I have some other Humboldt products, so I will probably grab the Humboldt Ginormous.

My only other plan going forward for this upper portion of my cabinet is to add another intake compuer fan. With the addition of the T5 lights and 2 more CFL's (on the Y-splitters), the temperature will be going up. I expect to see it at a daily high in the low 80's by the time I get home from work tomorrow.

Then new seeds planting in about a month as I work on the lower portion of my cabinet for new seedlings and clones!

Looking very nice, lots of light sure makes a diff, looking. very dense

Wow! Dense little indicas! Mine were dense like that too, longer stem length on the sun leaves. So when I topped, I also thinned them. The sunleaves were blocking light & air to the new growth, & those new branches were getting no light. Yeah, made them ugly till new growth resumed, but I had to look out for the health of the future bud sites. I know how you felt. It really is hard to cut off that beautiful new growth. It's a case of 'tough love'. I dried & smoked my trimmings (still smoking). Not a bad buzz from leaf. Seeing how short & dense the growth is on modern indica hybrids makes it hard to remember how tall, thin & spindly growth would be when trying to grow old school sativas indoors back in the early 70's! Talk about culture shock! Of course high tech modern lighting helped change that too, but the difference between then & now is unreal! Happy growing! Wishing you a great harvest in the new year! :)

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..... as I have several varieties of seeds that my wife bought me for my birthday because she's amazing.

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I bet she is :cool:
Seeds as a Gift - That's special. And u have long fun with this gift.

Wow! Seeds for your birthday! I say give her a big kiss from me too, & I'm not even gay! LOL! Enjoy friend, & happy belated birthday! (Guess it will feel like your birthady every time you look at the plants from those seeds!) ;) ;) ;)

Thanks for the kind words, ladies :)

GrowB - yea, my wifey is the best. However, I wish she'd be remotely interested in my grow right now, especially since I've told her I'm going to repeat it for the next 50+ years haha. Whenever we have nothing to do I try to get her to stick her nose in the plants and smell to see if the aroma gets her interested but...NO DICE! Oh well, they'll always be my "girls on the side" haha.

Catbuds - I have actually mentioned to my wife that there is a female member on the forums that is very enthusiastic and helpful in regards to growing (I will have to let her know that there are now 2 since GrowBitch has joined us). She is now very excited that there is a "bank" of Christmas and birthday gifts that she can use FOREVER when she doesn't have any ideas for gifts for me, and that works fine for both of us.

Couple things I've noticed overnight:
Well, I called out sick to work because I was too excited about the training I did with the ladies yesterday and I couldn't wait to see how they'd react today. I have plenty of sick days and it's holiday season, I don't feel bad about it. My lights turned on about 25 minutes ago, so I decided to go check them out.
- Almost all of the branches (including main stem) that I had bent/lightly bruised, are now again upwards-facing towards the "sun". It makes me feel like I should have been a little less-gentle, and bent them a bit more.
- While the tops are growing upwards again, I can also see how the branches have been trained to begin growing in a more outwards direction. This is really going to help me out because of my height limitations. Next grow, I am going to top the ladies while they're still young. Everything I've read and watched said it's ok to do after the 3rd nodes develop. I will remember this during the next grow.
- Today only, I have noticed a slightly different smell when I stick my face in my plants and when I just pruned (I always smell the exposed oils at the base of my cutoffs). The smell is still delicious, just a slightly different one than I even noticed yesterday. Do your plants slightly change aromas during the grow cycle?

Here is a pic with what they look like today as compared to last night when I first tied them down, for the sake of the log. I didn't realize I had the exposure settings on my camera phone turned down last night when I took that dark pic.

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Well there's about 6 inches of snow on the ground already and it's supposed to snow for another 20 or so hours. So, I just filled a 20-gallon container that I have with snow. When it melts, I will continue to fill it with some 5-gallon buckets so I have snowmelt water to last me a few weeks!

I have been training my ladies and checking on the work everyday. It is important for me that they not grow too tall, and it seems to be working so far. I have also been reading about good-sized P injections during bloom. I ventured out through the storm to the hydro store and picked up a 0-18-16. I also got a 0-50-30 to give in 2-3 weeks, and was given a free sample of FoxFarm's ChaChing to finish them off with in 4-5 weeks. My buds should be fat and dripping by then!

Here are some GLAMOR pics where you can see bends from my training, what looks to me to be some trichome shining on leaves (at least when I blow the pic up on my phone I can easily see the white-looking spots), and my dog's favorite activity on a day where the snow piles are deeper than his body!

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I'm so beat. Shopping today, always kicks my ass. I hate it, just don't understand people who love to shop. I'd rather be shot in the knee cap! Still haven't got energy back from the flu & tire so easily. So anyway, was chilled to the bone when I got home, so I curled up under a throw with a good book & fell asleep. SNOW PLOWS woke me up. Afraid to look out the door cause I hear one go by about every 15-20 min.
-- d00g, your little guy has the right idea. That's what I do too when its cold & snowy. My little fart is a Jack Russell's tiny, smooth coated. Short & little. His first snow storm, still a puppy (7 yrs ago), he goes running down the back porch steps & sinks into 10" of snow & SCREAMED like a little girl! I guess any guy would scream like that, suddenly finding his bare packaged totally submerged in cold snow! Many yrs ago, I had a sweet little white, blue eyed chihuahua. If you let him out in the snow, he'd walk on his front leggs with his 'utensils' as far out of the snow as he could get them!
-- I haven't heard of ChaChing, is it a new fox farms product? Big fan of fox farms. Sounds like something I need to try! ;)
-- Sounds like you're having fun & everything looks good! Been playing catch up with chores around here after being down with the flu, so haven't had time to figure out 'transplanting' my pics to my grow thread from photobucket, but hope hope to get to that in the not too distant future! (Its a damned pig pen here right now!) :) :) :)

Still love seeing a good dog!! And the girls are looking great.

Cat - Have heard a snow bank can be an interesting place. And from the reports I see, your going to get some. But hear snow is like sex, you really don't know how deep it'll get or how long it'll last

Thank you, my friends! In my short time on these forums, you have all become a lifeline and basically a second family to me. I spend a lot of time on here and really enjoy reading what everyone has to say regarding my grow and all the grow ops that are going on! Thank you again for your input, advice, and help. I will enjoy posting my info going forward!

BTW my 'guard dog' is a Chorkie - Chihuahua/Yorkie mix. He's 3 1/2 years old at the end of January and the little bastard basically runs my house. BUT he's not allowed in my grow room :)

Back in '77-'78 we had a hell of a blizzard. I was working grnhse/florist in Pa., & several major hwys were shut down. I had a chevy chevette that handled snow like like a little snow plow. Me & my boyfriend decided to travel a shut down hwy to see the beauty of the snow & to be alone. We parked by a big snow bank, & lets just say we must have melted the snow in a 10' radius! Yeah, you're right.... sex & snow are somewhat alike! Now I don't like either one!!!! They both hurt my bones! LOL! Sad, but true. :wtf:

Some pics of the tops of my 2 ladies.

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And a pic of the main stem on one of them, which does not grow straight up due to training I have done.

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coolness, which led panel are you using

I use a Pro Grow LED panel from Hydro Hut. No issues with it so far, it better last for another 5 years :smokin:

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Flowering and hopefully staying healthy. I think next week I will pick up some more T5 panels to replace the CFL's for fuller coverage and they won't stick out from the sides of my cabinet as far.

yea I was thinking maybe to get an LED. too many to choose from so I gave it up for now :stoned:
those are looking super, now would be a good time to do a high PK boost

I actually started with a 0-18-16 a day after I started flowering, now I have a 0-50-9 that I've been waiting to do. Tomorrow will be 2 weeks after I switched them to flower so maybe I'll wait another day or 2 before hitting them with that high P dose.

Great looking plants dude, they look like poinsettias in that red light lol. Great setup

Hey d00g. We're approximatly at the same stsge. Looks good yor ladies...

d00g put up some recent pics!

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Great looking plants dude, they look like poinsettias in that red light lol. Great setup

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Hey, they sure dont they! That's appropriate though, since pointsettias 'bloom' on a photoperiod too, ah, & they aren't 'blooms', they're brackets. They sure are pretty under leds! :)

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"bracts" catbuds. Now go the chalkboard and write "bracts are not brackets" until you have filled the board.

Hey all friends and homies! I am very happy to throw a few pics in to an update! I took these yesterday - 1/25/14. I have been planning all week to set up the lower chamber in my cabinet and plant some new seeds using a "seed starter" setup with a bubbler. I am very excited; this hands-on stuff is very much right up my alley, and I'm hoping my slight adaptations to a seed/clone dome found on this site.

The directions to the seed/clone box can be found on these forums HERE. I will happily post some pics when the final pieces of my slightly-adapted version arrive and I finish putting it together! I am very excited for that time :)

So here are my update pics. They are just several of my many flowers. When I have the flash on, the crystally buds and leaves shine SO much! I will fool around with the photo editing software on my phone with some pics tomorrow, so I can edit the pictures for maximum drool-factor! I have a few damaged leaves due to recent nutrient burn for the High-P nutes I have given them, sometimes at too strong a dose. I am still working on my gentle hand with the nutrients.

Please remember: this is my first grow and I happily accept any suggestions or constructive feedback! They switched to flowering on 12/30, so it has almost been 4 full weeks of flower. I am looking forward to the final 3-4 weeks!!

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UPDATE:

Here are a couple pics that I zoomed in with the software on my phone/camera. A bit easier to see some of the crystals sparkling on the leaves and buds! These are for YOU, my friends whose eye sight may not be what it once was!

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