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Are all of you able to get what you need in a timely manner?
Are you finding producers are out of stock most of the time?
In your opinion has the MCP here progressed in the last 8 or 9 months?
What changes would you like to see that will make it better for patients?
Not getting meds in timely manner...still!! Most producers are out or place limits on orders. The program is in dire need of more producers. The program is in dire need of more staff etc. It is ridiculous if you ask me. The program has not progressed in the last several months. In fact, it seems to have come to a halt since the new gov took office. There is more confusion than clarity regarding program growth and development. The LNPP applicants have no idea if they have a chance of approval, or if any more will even be approved. The patients are having problems getting their meds in a timely and consistent manner.
I live in Albuquerque and for the last 2-3- months have not had a problem getting meds anytime. I think that the DOH has done a good job approving producers to this point. But still DOH not up to speed with enough people to do all the work. You can not talk to any live person when you contact them.As for the producers I get an email almost daily that they have meds ready to sell. So I think there is going to be enough meds for the time being.If you can't find any meds now you are not looking. If you have not signed up with the producers that are out there do so almost all have meds.What I would like to see is the ability to "trade" or what not with other patients with ppls.
There are simply NOT enough producers to meet the demand. Patients should not be required to register with ALL the producers just to be assured of obtaining meds consistently. Not only that, but ALL the producers carry different strains so if your favorite producer is out of the strain you desire, then what? The DOH has failed to approve producers in a fair consistent manner. There are multiple pending lawsuits and legal action against the DOH, challenging the practices and procedures currently being used to review the LNPP apps. Unless you happen to be a producer (or on the BOD of a producer) the DOH puts most everyone else on the back burner. They are EXPERTS at keeping all LNPP applicants in a cloud of confusion. Not knowing where they stand in the process is wrong. Stringing them along is wrong. I see alot of room for improvement in many areas. the most obvious is meeting the demand of the patients and this is NOT being accomplished. Sadly, a bunch of red tape and politics has been getting in the way of real progress and apparently there is no end in sight.....
Although I see your point,it still beats NO medical cannabis program.
SandiaBud, it sounds like you are one of the plaintiffs in the current lawsuit. Whether or not that is so, the lawsuit is going to do nothing but slow down the licensure of any new producers. Some of the plaintiffs didn't even form their nonprofit corporation until September! NONE of the applications received have been denied and if they haven't been approved then their application is flawed and they need to amend the app as requested. There are also multiple producers in one part of the state and not enough applications are being received from the rest of the state. Most of the new producers are willing to take the time to help (for a fee) other applicants to help improve the applicant's submission. There are now 25 producers, but they have to have time to get setup and running. If there isn't enough medicine available, then why do so many producers continue to have excess? One northern NM producer's last email indicated a one OUNCE limit per patient! There are over 4,000 patients on the program now. There should be a shortage of medicine with that many patients vs LNPP, but there is not.
Look at joining each producer's organization as you would joining any other group. But the patient does NOT have to sign up with all of the producers. If one lives in Raton, he/she is not going to sign up with the LNPP in southern NM (unless that patient plans on risking the checkpoints and driving to the LNPP). It is advised that the patient register with more than one due to availability issues.
Keep in mind that NM is being left alone (pretty much) due to the restrictions in place. There are at least 3 patients on every board. This program is for the patients. Give it time to grow-up...the program is still in the infancy stage. It will get better given the chance. The best thing that could happen for the program at this point would be for the lawsuit to be dismissed so the staff at DOH could get back to the job at hand instead of having to redact thousands of pages of documents.
CFO, I am NOT one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit. I simply share some of their frustration. I am not an advocate of lawsuits nor am I a big fan of lawyers. I am very aware that the lawsuit(s) will do little more than stir up emotions AND further delay the review process. I respectfully disagree with the comments regarding med availability. If there is such an excess, then why do producers limit order amounts? Why do some of the websites state "We now have medicine"....point is...they were recently out of meds etc etc...
The review and approval process is anything but transparent. Although there has been no formal denials, most, if not all LNPP applicants have no indication of where they stand, what their chances are of approval or even if the DOH plans on any more approvals at all. This is where the frustration lies amongst most LNPP applicants. Obviously and according to most of the licensed producers, there will NEVER be enough supply to meet the demand. And when the supply does not meet the demand, it is the PATIENTS who continue to lose. Yes the program is about patients, but the trickle down effect from not having enough producers gives the patients the "short end of the stick".
ManOBuds-
Our program might have its flaws and shortcomings but it is much better than no program at all.
Have a great day!
The DOH will not be approving any more producers till they see that there is indeed a shortage still after the producers that were approved in jan. are up and running at full speed. The DOH wants there to be enough meds to supply all the patients but dose not want there to be too big of a oversupply. that would cause more problems. If you are having problems getting meds and can grow your own that would be a better way to go.But it is not cheap or easy thing to do if you want medical quality.
Will the DOH ever see there is shortage? I believe it is more political than anything else....I mean even Cisco McSorley said we need at least double the producers we have now....as I stated earlier, most if not all of the current LNPP's would agree.
I wonder why the DOH will not simply tell LNPP applicants that there will be no more approvals in the forseeable future or "until they indeed see a shortage"? It is frustrating at best.
Agreed.Also,not ALL producer applicants DESERVE a license to Produce.One of the plantiffs in the suit grows moldy cannabis......Quote:
Originally Posted by CFO
I'm not sure what your motive is in saying that there is a shortage but I think that of the producers that are out there today in the next year one or two will be dropping out for what ever reason . I myself do not think that there is a need for 50+ producers. Now that they can have 150 plants there will have more than they can sell legally that is.Just a few more months for these new producers to get up to speed and then you can say that there is not enough meds. and I will tell you where to get what you want. I think even the delivery charges will be a thing of the past. The program is progressing as fast as it can with the limited people that are working in it.
come December when the producers have to pony up there dues the DOH will also be getting a cash flow and you will see a differance in the program.
I completely agree with alfonso2002. The shortages will soon be a thing of the past. Most of you that know me,know I'm a pessimist......so this is unusual for me.
I agree with most of what is being said here...the fundamental problem is that the DOH is not communicating these things to the producer applicants. As stated earlier, the DOH has not told the applicants that there will be no more approvals. In fact, when asked, they say its business as usual.
I have no "motive" for saying there is a shortage..just my experience. My experience is that there are producers out there that are limiting order amounts....why would a producer limiit order amounts if there is enough supply? Also keep in mind that the patient population is growing by the day so the MCP may need to revisit the "formula" by which they measure the supply vs. demand. Peace.
Hi SandiaBud as you know DOH is working with a very limited work force so they do seem to not get back when they should .And business as usual IS very slow. And as far as the producers limiting the amount is because most have a large amounts of patients that are registered with them and they want to serve as many as possible. That's not meaning that there is a shortage. Like I said before just give it a few more months and they will not be limiting anything. They will not be able to sell all the meds they have. The good that I see coming from this is that there will be better meds than what we have had to settle for.
How do you KNOW that the DOH is not communicating with the producer applicants? the DOH has not stated there won't be any more LNPP approved because they intend to license more. They just don't have the personnel or the time to do what they are supposed to be doing due to the lawsuit. They have a staff of three to perform the duties of 15.Quote:
Originally Posted by SandiaBud
Someone made a comment that one of the members of the lawsuit is growing moldy cannabis. If they haven't been approved, they shouldn't be growing (and also selling?). Unless, of course, that applicant has a personal production license. I guess that patient needs a little extra penicillin, but I'm allergic so wouldn't want that in my meds. Would you want a producer that provides contaminated meds approved?
Limitations are usually placed on the first release so that the producer can have a chance to provide medicine to all of their registered patients. Once all of the patients have had a chance to order, then the only limit is that of the DOH which for most patients is 6 ounces. Anyone purchasing more than 2 ounces per month is aware that they are being reported to the DOH. How many plants does it take to make 6 ounces? How many patients can afford to purchase that much? How many patients would be served if there weren't limits in place? How much of the medicine would be diverted/resold to recreational consumers? There is still opportunity for diversion with 2 ounces per month, let alone six!
When did McSorely make this comment that we needed double the producers we have now? And what makes him the authority? Yes, he is a vocal advocate of the program and is tight with many of the first six producers, but I would rather hear that he is supporting a move to have the current lawsuit dismissed more than anything else. Once the lawsuit is dismissed, the small staff would be able to get back to the job at hand.
its kind of funny that I get more information about the MCP from sources other than the DOH. Im just sayin....
ps. I read somewhere that Sen McSorley believes we need double the producers we have now. I am not implying he is the authority, just wanted to pass that along. It appears to me that he sees the whole picture, has been a MCP advocate from its inception and recognizes the need for more.
I couldn't agree more that the lawsuit needs to go away so that Dominick and Co. can get back to the job at hand.
Lastly, lets just say I KNOW first hand that the communication between LNPP applicants and the DOH is limited at best with little to NO information being conveyed about any part of the program.
There is no question that the program has issues to work out,but I think it is well designed to stand the test of time.
Well said ManO...
According to "Micah", who spoke at the public meeting yesterday, there are only a few of the 25 licensed producers who are growing medicine that is of high medicinal quality. Maybe some of these non profits do not deserve to be licensed. Yet there are no controls in place for testing of the cannabis.
It appears that all the opinions here are made with the assumption that all producers are turning out top notch quality meds. Clearly that is not the case. Apparently there are many issues regarding nutrients, mold and the like. However, with no monitoring or testing, these producers will continue to put out sub par medicine and get away with it.
Actually, the patients will be the ones to determine quality. If the patient doesn't benefit from the medicine received, he/she will not go back to the producer. We are in the southern part of the state and have heard complaints about almost all of the producers. the first harvest from the local producer was a b-grade strain. This last harvest was awesome. There is a producer in Santa Fe (not NMcann) that has more medicine than registered patients. Check your list for the SF producers and contact them for availability.Quote:
Originally Posted by SandiaBud
Be patient and the producers should get back with you. I can only figure they don't because they don't have medicine and they don't have the resources to hire enough people to return phone calls promptly. And they don't want to tell the patient they don't have any.
So, if we have a surplus now, what would we have with more producers?
Your right about"patients will be the ones to determine quality" And about the producers having product there is some very good medication out there right NOW And yes there are Producers that have put out a very poor product but they will not be around for long. We have the power to make them put out a good product.
one point is that how can patients afford 300 dollar mistakes? Its not right that the patients must pay for bad medicine and act as program guinea pigs. Also, its not the producers that are failing to return phone calls and emails...its the DOH that is lacking communication to the LNPP applicants.
Will the bad producers be replaced with good ones? How many ripped off patients will it take before the DOH would take action against bad producers? Or will the bad producers simply drop out and fade away due to lack of business?
The patients shouldn't have to pay for contaminated medicine. If a producer is selling bad medicine word will get out and they will be out of business. As with all medicine, the producer can't be expected to take the medicine back or make a refund because the patient purchased the wrong strain. I don't know of many patients on limited income who are purchasing $300 of medicine at one time. Most are purchasing an eighth or a gram. That would be my recommendation...buy a small amount first. Of course any delivery fee would make a small amount really costly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SandiaBud
If a producer consistently offers bad medicine, they won't be able to pay the renewal fees in January so they will be out of business fairly quickly.
As far as the lawsuit, Mr. Kokesh incorporated in Septembeer or October so his app hadn't even been in the process for very long and don't forget all the revisions and hearings and holidays and furloughs going on at that time. Some of the other members of the suit are not in good standing with the PRC and will need to get in good standing before they can go any further. A site visit doesn't guarantee licensure with. The final decision lies with the Secretary of Health as we all know. So no matter how much pressure Dominick might try to use, when the apps go to the SoH, it's out of his hands. And if any of those pending applicants spent more than the $100 app fee and $25 incorporation fee, then they need their heads examined! Who in their right mind would spend money on a facility and equipment prior to licensure??? Those applicants that have been waiting since 2009 might want to contact one of the currently licensed producers for help in completing their app. Another thing that may apply is location. Do we really need more producers in SF or Alb before there are LNNPs in other parts of the state? Yes, I know, those two cities/counties have the greatest number of patients in the program, but there are parts of the state that are under served and priority needs to be placed on applicants located in the far reaches of the state. Every county that has patients should have a producer before any more are approved in SF or Alb. (IMHO)
I, for one, get so tired of the negative comments about the DOH. They have done a fantastic job with so little staff and funding. I expect to see great improvements come February 2012 after all the LNPPs submit their renewal fees. Those that can't won't be in business.
I beg to differ with you on "Do we really need more producers in SF or Alb before there are LNNPs in other parts of the state? Yes, I know, those two cities/counties have the greatest number of patients in the program, but there are parts of the state that are under served and priority needs to be placed on applicants located in the far reaches of the state. Every county that has patients should have a producer before any more are approved in SF or Alb. (IMHO)" . Your right that there are areas in the state that are under served but I don't think that producers should be forced to a certain area. It is a big investment that has to be made to start a NP. The places that don't have that many patients can not support a producer in that area. Anyway you look at it the cost to get meds. to the patients has to be paid by someone so if you have a producer in the far NE. part of the state That producer will have to be able to supply people in the Abq. and SF areas to be able to make a go of it. And there you go delivery that far away would be expensive.And as far as the producers and the quality of there meds. goes that will sort it self out in the long run. You are right about that if you get some poor quality of meds. from a producer I myself would not even give them a second chance. Unless they were willing to make things right.
I am of the mindset that the program, once properly funded and staffed, will become better and thrive. like alfonso says, it does need some changes and those changes will likely come in time.
This is a more productive discussion.
There appears to be plenty of meeds available this month. Have received emails from SWOP, NewMexicann and Mother Earth. Pricing from $10 - $15 per gram. A grade strains. Continue to advise all patients to register with all of the producers.
Those that can do. Those that cannot, criticize.
Aren't the state approved Producers supposed to be anonymous? I have received numerous emails from various ones also.
There location is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOBuds
You should only receive emails from the producers you have signed-up with. If you are getting emails from producers that you have not contacted and you have a concern about receiving unauthorized emails, then you could contact the DOH and let them know. Only registered patients are supposed to receive the contact information for the producers. But there are on-line entities that are receiving the info somehow and have posted some of the producer's info. Unfair and detrimental to the producers if the cartel or the DEA were to get that info. Some of the producers may not have a problem putting that info out there but I know if I were producing I certainly wouldn't want my contact info out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOBuds
No,I was just asking a question which was unrelated to my statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFO
xgrim,Please send me an email,my info is on my profile here.
you get my email manobuds? not sure which is your primary email add.
Plenty of meds available in the RR/ABQ area. I don't order much but have placed a few orders lately because I took my garden down and redid it. I entered the program a little over a year ago, meds were very hard to get and not that great. I think it's improved 10 fold since then, very glad to be in the program and appreciate what the producers do.
However, I have found with just a year of experience growing that it's very easy to produce the amount of meds the state allows.
Wise move there Anonymouse. Now if only we could get the DOH to adjust the max amounts of med we can have at one time then we could be self sufficient.
It's the Yahoo one.....Quote:
Originally Posted by XgrimXreeferX
don't know if you got my email. but i posted my email on my profile. so you can hit me up on there if you didn't get my email.
Yo yo yo this program is not at all about helping anyone. It's all about the benjamins heard. "Legal producers" running 6 1000w hps indoor should be yielding 6lbs.There is plenty of fucking medicine. What laws really matter? Our pathetic "leaders??" lie cheat and fucking steal like no tomorrow. They care absolutely nothing about you or your reasons for smoking herb. Take your chemicals be a numb dumb ass sheep. Play along worker bee be free yeah to do what you're told. Fuck that. How does Blue Dream end up on sale in New fuckin Mexico at the same time the westcoast is bathing in it??? Come on think about this shit please. $40 an 1/8 plus tax is bullshit people. Be happy to have your smoke but don't be fooled into thinking there isn't enough to be selling o's for 220.
320x16=5120x6=30720+delivery=?
C942 what a bunch of crap. You know nothing about the patients in the NM MCP. I see hundreds of them a week and they are real and hurting.
Chill your thoughts and be productive to help the program. Not knock it.