Grafting?

Anyone else tried this? :rastasmoke:

Interesting vid here,.... grafting marijuana - Videos - The WEED Report

I've followed the basic advice from 2:50 to around 3:40 and here's my results of splicing an AK-47 cutting to a shoot off of my blueberry mom

I used surgical tape to hold the graft in place, and originally left all the fan leaves on the cutting.

Pic 1: Just after cutting,... still test fitting and figuring out the best way to seal the bag up. :o (It's hard to see but the tape joint is mid picture! ;) )
Pic 2: The graft wilted horribly, I didn't think it would make it, so I trimmed off all the larger fan leaves and left only the top growth and branch nodes.
Pic 3: My current blueberry bonsai mom,... can you see the graft?
Pic 4: There it is! :D It's growing happy, no humidity bag for the last 3 day's and growth is showing on every node of the graft, so tonight I pulled the tape off the joint.
Pic 5: There's the joint/ scar,... it's covered in random growth,... with luck now that I've removed the covering of tape it will just scar over and the cutting will continue to take off.

This is a technique I'm going to keep working with,... if anyone has any better ideas or suggestions I'm open to hear em!

Very interesting. Please keep us updated with how she grows. Always been curious about grafting. Read an article recently on tissue cultures with cannabis, that's another one I'm really curious to see come around to the mainstream.

Good stuff :thumbsup:

all this about crossing genetics?

i know i've broken a couple colas completely off and just used some duct tape and bandaged it up. no setbacks at all :D just grew a knot there where it forged itself back together. very awesome to know that works!

i always wondered if you did that with two different strains what would be the outcome, lol. either gene domination or some cool cross strain buds. sounds delicious anyway.

My guess is that it's going to produce 2 distinctly different types of pot off of the same root mass. I don't think a graft will cause genetic changes, but I haven't done it either, so take that with a grain of salt. I expect you to have a relatively normal plant, with one branch of totally different buds on it.

We shall see :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by irydyum

My guess is that it's going to produce 2 distinctly different types of pot off of the same root mass. I don't think a graft will cause genetic changes, but I haven't done it either, so take that with a grain of salt. I expect you to have a relatively normal plant, with one branch of totally different buds on it.

We shall see :jointsmile:

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my mother-in-law just had a tomato plant growing. she was planting other things at the same time, including watermelons. well a watermelon seed must have got into the tomato pot too because the tomato plant started growing a watermelon! no bullshit. unfortunately some critters got to it before i could get a pic.

she did some research on it (i have not yet) and she found that it's not common i guess but it does/can happen. one seed will wait for the other to grow and get strong and then use it as somewhat of a host i guess. pretty crazy.

i do agree though that grafting shouldn't produce anything but a normal plant with a different branch. not quite sure how the two DNAs would go about mixing?


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Originally Posted by headshake

not quite sure how the two DNAs would go about mixing?


-shake

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You get one drunk, then let nature take it's course. At least that's my personal experience with mixing DNA. :D

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Originally Posted by irydyum

You get one drunk, then let nature take it's course. At least that's my personal experience with mixing DNA. :D

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ROTFLMAO!


"drink this glass of bud candy girl....."



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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

Anyone else tried this?

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Well done, Canniwhatsis!

I've tossed the idea around, but never gave it a try with cannabis. Got a few miniature lemon and lime trees I've diddled around with, though. :)

I think it's an awesome idea. To be able to have a mom, with several different strains sharing a single root-mass...that would be incredible. What a space-saver. Sounds too good to work. :D

I look forward to seeing how she works out for ya! :thumbsup:

This is about having one mother bearing many different fruits .......very
cool when you only have six ladys :D

gotcha! i found that out after I watched the video. It's not as complicated as it looks though with the v-cut and all that.

and that guy with the sunglasses creeps me out. i watched him grab somebodies colas once with a full palm grasp and since then he's freaked me out . i still respect the growers though.

:jointsmile: two things also come to mind: the scientist from south park and frankenstien. :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by ben7j4

This is about having one mother bearing many different fruits .......very
cool when you only have six ladys :D

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This is my intention! :D and Thanks to all who have stopped by! :hippy:


I've seen plenty of fruit trees that have been grafted,... even one that was apple grafted with crab apple, and cherry! It was OLD too, pushing 30' tall with a trunk over a foot in diameter, so figure that tree was at least 20-25 years old,... none the less the cherry's were cherry's, and apples were apples,.... no reason it won't work with MJ! :detective1:


My intent with the featured plant is just to try and perfect technique and keep a bonsai mum of what is my current favorite strain (blueberry). I've got some work to do tho! :o ( Like I said in my first post,... the graft wilted and I wound up having to pull all the fan's off to restrain wilting.)

The cutting is doing very well as of today, the scab is starting to dry out and scar over, all the nodes have noticeable growth on them, and the top is growing almost as fast as the host plants branches! :D :hippy:

Eventually I'll start a Seedling of a strain to use as a mom and train it down, then bend branches out to the sides to add other strains to them, so each branch will be a strain then the main top will be the host strain.......... That's only gonna take a year or so to do tho. :cool::rastasmoke:

very nicely done and very interesting video. its funny i run into this i was talkin to a buddy about grafting plants just yesterday.
i told him how i saw a cherry tree that was half bing and half rainer cherry's ( red and white ) and wondered if u could graft weed just like so.

heres my answer to that :rastasmoke: good stuff bro. ill keep posted to this

Seeing all those different buds in the flick distracts from the real
advantage, which is providing you with different flavor clones from one
plant:D


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quick update,....


My first graft is taking off,... might as well be a part of it's host plant,.... which is kinda the point! :D

My Mum is looking like she needs a trim this week,.... seriously like wednesday at the latest!,.... so I'm thinking of trying to graft on a Durban Poison shoot?


What do Ya'll that actually look at this thread think?


Pic 1: One of these things is not like the other!
Pic 2: Side shot,... getting pretty hard to pick out.

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

My Mum is looking like she needs a trim this week,.... seriously like wednesday at the latest!,.... so I'm thinking of trying to graft on a Durban Poison shoot?

What do Ya'll that actually look at this thread think?

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I try not to think.... :)



Absolutely! The more, the merrier. :dance:

You've inspired me. :thumbsup:
I'll be starting my own lil' mixed-up lady, as I follow along.

:D

I'll see if I can get the wife to take pics while I'm working tonight,.... could be interesting.

Wow, that's a LOT of pics,... well here goes.


Pic 1: Current Blueberry/graftomum, and the Durban Poison Mum.
Pic 2: Blueberry mum
Pic 3: Durban mum,... havent cut this one till this pic was taken
Pic 4: This is where I'm going to put a new Durban Poison graft.
Pic 5: 11 cuttings off of the blueberry that COULD have been new plants :(

Pic 1: Starting the host plant cut
Pic 2: That's about deep enough,
Pic 3: Trimming the graft off of it's mom
Pic 4: Trimming the large fan leaves
Pic 5: More trimming.

Pic 1: Shaving one side of the graft cutting
Pic 2: Then the other
Pic 3: Managed to not get any good pics between these steps, but slide the shaved graft into the notch cut in the end of a node (as seen above) Then wrapped it with surgical tape to hold it in place.
Pic 4: Trimming the remaining fan leaves to reduce transpiration.
Pic 5: Fitting a sandwich bag over the cutting to preserve moisture.

As of 24 hours later this new graft is perky and seem's to be doing well.


I will be pulling the bag in the morning and misting everything to maintain humidity and allow for CO2 flow to the leaves. ;) :glugglug:

this thread is cool cant wait to see the finale results.

Thanks man! :D


Final results should be a Mum I can keep for the next 10+ years that has several strains to pick and choose which flavor I want! :D I'm going to start training the AK47 shoot off to the side,... it's on the very top, and I don't want it shading the remaining Blueberry shoots!

I'm not going to even attempt to flower "This" plant,... tho once some clones vege in a bit bigger I'm thinking of grafting a branch to one of them just to see what happens in flowering.

I'll try and get new pics tonight the graft looks great! :rastasmoke:

Pulled the bag off and gave the graft some fresh air and sprayed with some water. Things are looking good and it seems as tho this is yet another success! :hippy:

Pic 1: My Mum! :rastasmoke:
Pic 2: The AK shoot.
Pic 3: The new Durban Poison shoot.

are you using LEDz for Lighting?

Glad to see your still around Ben! ;)

Yep, 120w LED hanging over head,.... still trying to feel it out for ideal height from the plants.

Got a question........To make a multi flavored mother would only
the tops of the flavor plants be grafted to the host :)

As far as genetics changing, it happens with roses. Grafting red stock onto yellow stock will produce multi-colored roses. I don't see why it couldn't happen with cannabis, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Over time, though, I've seen roses lose their mix and become like the root stock. Given how short-term cannabis is, I doubt it'd happen.

I'll try again,

If a cutting is rooted it is a clone :)

if that same cutting is grafted it is a graft

I guess what I'm asking is "what makes a mother plant"

It is simple if there is only one plant but when you start grafting I get

confused.......can you use any cutting or should you only use the very

top of the flavor plant?

khyberkitsune

I'm not sure if you watched the flick, but this is kind of like what they do for seedless grapes.

Ben, I think Kitsune was referring to this post?

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Originally Posted by redaaron

all this about crossing genetics?

i know i've broken a couple colas completely off and just used some duct tape and bandaged it up. no setbacks at all :D just grew a knot there where it forged itself back together. very awesome to know that works!

i always wondered if you did that with two different strains what would be the outcome, lol. either gene domination or some cool cross strain buds. sounds delicious anyway.

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Anyway, to answer your question,...


Pretty much any branch node can be taken as a clone, and or grafted to another root stalk.

So it's not really the "Top" but it is the top of a branch.

The root structure is the "mother" I suppose,... tho each node that has been grafted should/is technically it's own mother for that strain.


I haven't destroyed my original ungrafted mother's of the strains that I've done,... I want to take a cutting off of a graft, and the original mom and set them to flower side by side and see if the flavor changes? :hippy:

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

I want to take a cutting off of a graft, and the original mom and set them to flower side by side and see if the flavor changes? :hippy:

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I would be surprised to see a flavor change, but there might be a difference

in yield. For some reason it seems like your taking a clone from a clone.

Well, yes,... Actually a clone from a clone of a clone.

The strains are all clones from the dispensary, then I'm cloning it by grafting to the host root structure, then cutting clones from the graft.


I"m playing with this ATM, and plan on doing a seed grown root structure in the future if it all works out. :hippy:

IN all of my posts in this string I was assuming we were talking about tops
and clones of new plants from seed to a host which could be any strong healthy plant(clone or seed).

I'm sorry...... I should have been more specific :(

There was another thread on here that got pretty heated about cloning and genetic drift over time.

But No, ATM it's all clones I'm playing with.


I'm going to try something either tonight or tomorrow, My ISS clone is large enough to take cuttings, so I'm thinking of grafting a Durban Poison cutting to one of the branches, then let it veg a little before flowering.

Kinda wonder how an Indica branch would do on a Sativa root structure for flowering? Maybe a 3 way bloom? ISS DP and Big bud? :stoned:

Yeah,... this could be fun. :hippy:

Did you take any clones from the blueberry?

How much weight did you get from that plant?

I was considering a grafting onto a cut down plant, should have one in about

3 or 4 wks :wtf:

I thought I had to have 50 post to post a picture :cool:

"There was another thread on here that got pretty heated about cloning and genetic drift over time."

And genetic drift does happen, and it can be accelerated by grafting onto other genetic stock. This happens quite often with roses, and this is also how we got a few hybrid fruits.

This is why I still have all my singe strain mothers,.... until I'm certain that I won't wind up with an AK 47 bud that tastes like blueberry off of a clone from the grafted mom I don't want to destroy the pure genome.


Do you think that the grafted nodes could effect the overall flavor of the host plant?



And I've heard conflicting story's about grafting hops, MJ to hop roots works, but won't produce THC? Hops to MJ roots won't work,.... but I've also heard that it will work and infuses hops with TCH? If this is true, I have some good friends in the beer business, I want to take a shot at "Bud" beer! :D

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

This is why I still have all my singe strain mothers,.... until I'm certain that I won't wind up with an AK 47 bud that tastes like blueberry off of a clone from the grafted mom I don't want to destroy the pure genome.


Do you think that the grafted nodes could effect the overall flavor of the host plant?



And I've heard conflicting story's about grafting hops, MJ to hop roots works, but won't produce THC? Hops to MJ roots won't work,.... but I've also heard that it will work and infuses hops with TCH? If this is true, I have some good friends in the beer business, I want to take a shot at "Bud" beer! :D

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I think most anything is possible with nature, as nature sets the rules. We've seen it hapen in other plant graftings, I don't see why it couldn't be possible in this case.

And the graft you are referring to actually produced a hybrid, known as Australian Bastard Cannabis.

Hmmm,.... interesting strain.

Couldn't find anything saying how it came about, only one reference to it and grafting to hops, tho it looked like it was an ABC cutting that was grafted to hop stalks to camouflage the grow. I didn't read the whole thread tho.

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Originally Posted by canniwhatsis

Hmmm,.... interesting strain.

Couldn't find anything saying how it came about, only one reference to it and grafting to hops, tho it looked like it was an ABC cutting that was grafted to hop stalks to camouflage the grow. I didn't read the whole thread tho.

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This and Ducksfoot are hybrid strains of other cannabis-genus plants, if I recall correctly.