shouldnt we change the world?

heres my point of view: accept it or not, we are all indirectly exploiting poor countries, to make profits and to consume more. i mean, capitalism is all about consuming.

if you are rich, you are "important", because you consume a lot, and of course, u have power. arent we all puppets? consuming, consuming things we dont need but we buy because of brainwashing ads, education and school.

we are all on the same earth, and we are making war, for things as dumb as oil, and at the end of the line, for money. is money so important for the whole fuckin ppl? jesus money is way more important than humans in this fuckin system. we are so individualist. i hate it. we waste our lives working for corrupted governement, and big ultra rich boss for who we work.

capitalism would work so greatly if everyone would think about humans, before thinking about money. we are all gonna die, very soon, that i can tell, and just because of our consuming stupid system. i mean, everyone, the governement, the rich, are so brainwashed they dont understand a thing. how cant u care about your neighboor dyin? your earth dyin?

isnt life more than objects you own? why everybody wants to be rich? i hate it, i hate system. at school, we learn u how to get a good job, but we should fuckin learn how to think for ourselves.

want an interesting fact? if, during ONLY 8 FUCKING HOURS, we would stop spending money on army(yes mister bush, i guess u think more about producing massive destruction weapons then caring about your own population), well we could give food to 250 MILLIONS OF HUMANS DURING 1 YEAR. why are we in war? damn man i mean we must do something. earth is dying, and i know i will assist to apocalypse before i will die naturally. its because of our inaction that things arent changing. its because we are all accepting our situation, with our home, food, superficial values and objects. i hate how a simple thing as money can bring the entire humanity to destruction.

Thats pretty much my point of view too.

I also have that point of view, but when we go and voice our oppenions to the government, our voices will fall upon def ears. I was hoping to die at an old age with a spliff in my mouth, but that's probably not going to happen.

Okay so some high-school drop-out that sits around smokes a pack of ciggarets a day , a case of beer a week, along with a quarter ounce of marijuana a week, and eats about 20 doughnuts and 16 twinkies a day stuffing his face while he stares at the television playing "playstation" is the fucking definition of a consumer

i agree but i don't agree that we can't do anything about it.Call me naive but through education lies the freedom of the u.s. people bring to face the faults of the goverment back it with some real evidence to prove your point [such as the oil line plans through the middle east which were no doubt the reason for the iraq wars and atleast 3 wars before them] and you will eventually have your justice until then preach and preach man.Through your words you educate just make yourself heard

freedom of the us ppl LOL. when you see 55% of the US-ian vote for bush, you alrdy know there all fuckin totally brainwashed. plus, i dont really believe in god. ill let u do the "preach" part :)

lol I dont beleive in god either but preaching isn't nessesarily for religious purposes and remember dead people arent suppose to vote,and minorities were suppose to be aloud to. oh wait they were aloud they just weren't counted as "real votes" keep postin meelow your view on politics makes me think

why is it that people who voted for W must be brainwashed?have you ever wondered if it might be the other way around.just food for thought.think about the bigger picture.

first, im not sayin to vote for Kerry, hes a butt licker, but at least hes better than Bush, from my opinion. and why? well, sinceretly, why did he attack iraq? to deliver this country from Saddam? c-o-m-e on man. i mean, do u know how milliards of $ USA got in debts just coz of war? do u think he would have spend all this money to deliver a country? think man.

He fuckin attacked it for oil, i mean thats a matter of fact. he killed so much innocents in top of that. jeez man. "americans"(i hate to use thise word id say USian coz canada and mexico is as american as USian) doest even have free hospital. theres so much criminality. why? coz of a bunch of richy rich asses owning ,milliards of $. many families in america must work over 70 hours to feed their childs. Bush is prefering spending money for what will make him possess more, rather than helping poors to make the system a bit socialistic.

Hes so stupid in top of that. he cant write a fuckin speech by himself. i bet u didnt see faranheit 9/11 either. this guy is simply a butt licker. i dont understand why ppl voted for him. he will ruin USA(pretty much alrdy done). he still keeps army troops in iraq. why? "to protect the iraquians" MY ASS. all this corrupted shit makes me sick. so when u ask me why theyre brainwashed for voting for him well u know why. and americans ask therselves why terrorists want to attack USA. wake up! he killed so many iraq civilians, destructed so many homes, he cares bout nothing cept richs and himself.

Now he allows semi-automatic weapons to be sold. "great, now i feel safer with my AK-47 under my pillow. and so everyone in the streets can have guns, but cool man, im safe". millions of people ae dyin in his own fuckin country and he doesnt care not even a fuckin second. this guy is the worst terrorist that could live. so i really dont see why he would be a good president. plz tell me coz i find no reason.

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first, im not sayin to vote for Kerry, hes a butt licker, but at least hes better than Bush, from my opinion. and why? well, sinceretly, why did he attack iraq? to deliver this country from Saddam? c-o-m-e on man. i mean, do u know how milliards of $ USA got in debts just coz of war? do u think he would have spend all this money to deliver a country? think man.

He fuckin attacked it for oil, i mean thats a matter of fact. he killed so much innocents in top of that. jeez man. "americans"(i hate to use thise word id say USian coz canada and mexico is as american as USian) doest even have free hospital. theres so much criminality. why? coz of a bunch of richy rich asses owning ,milliards of $. many families in america must work over 70 hours to feed their childs. Bush is prefering spending money for what will make him possess more, rather than helping poors to make the system a bit socialistic.

Hes so stupid in top of that. he cant write a fuckin speech by himself. i bet u didnt see faranheit 9/11 either. this guy is simply a butt licker. i dont understand why ppl voted for him. he will ruin USA(pretty much alrdy done). he still keeps army troops in iraq. why? "to protect the iraquians" MY ASS. all this corrupted shit makes me sick. so when u ask me why theyre brainwashed for voting for him well u know why. and americans ask therselves why terrorists want to attack USA. wake up! he killed so many iraq civilians, destructed so many homes, he cares bout nothing cept richs and himself.

Now he allows semi-automatic weapons to be sold. "great, now i feel safer with my AK-47 under my pillow. and so everyone in the streets can have guns, but cool man, im safe". millions of people ae dyin in his own fuckin country and he doesnt care not even a fuckin second. this guy is the worst terrorist that could live. so i really dont see why he would be a good president. plz tell me coz i find no reason.

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I agree with you on that man. I have a brother who is in the army, and that son of a bitche sent his ass to Irak about two years ago. He's alive and well, and he's back at home, thank the Gods. I'm going to be streight up, that's why I don't like the punck, meaning Bush, because the only thing he cares about is his bank account. Just like alot of these other fat rich bastards, they want more money, and oil. Why don't we send their kids over to fight their damn war? It ain't right that we have to sacrifice our lives for them at all. Sorry for that outburst.

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first, im not sayin to vote for Kerry, hes a butt licker, but at least hes better than Bush, from my opinion. and why? well, sinceretly, why did he attack iraq? to deliver this country from Saddam? c-o-m-e on man. i mean, do u know how milliards of $ USA got in debts just coz of war? do u think he would have spend all this money to deliver a country? think man.

He fuckin attacked it for oil, i mean thats a matter of fact. he killed so much innocents in top of that. jeez man. "americans"(i hate to use thise word id say USian coz canada and mexico is as american as USian) doest even have free hospital. theres so much criminality. why? coz of a bunch of richy rich asses owning ,milliards of $. many families in america must work over 70 hours to feed their childs. Bush is prefering spending money for what will make him possess more, rather than helping poors to make the system a bit socialistic.

Hes so stupid in top of that. he cant write a fuckin speech by himself. i bet u didnt see faranheit 9/11 either. this guy is simply a butt licker. i dont understand why ppl voted for him. he will ruin USA(pretty much alrdy done). he still keeps army troops in iraq. why? "to protect the iraquians" MY ASS. all this corrupted shit makes me sick. so when u ask me why theyre brainwashed for voting for him well u know why. and americans ask therselves why terrorists want to attack USA. wake up! he killed so many iraq civilians, destructed so many homes, he cares bout nothing cept richs and himself.

Now he allows semi-automatic weapons to be sold. "great, now i feel safer with my AK-47 under my pillow. and so everyone in the streets can have guns, but cool man, im safe". millions of people ae dyin in his own fuckin country and he doesnt care not even a fuckin second. this guy is the worst terrorist that could live. so i really dont see why he would be a good president. plz tell me coz i find no reason.

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your actually gonna use farenhype 911 to justify your point??LOL!CHOP SHOP CENTRAL.LOL!

that was like the 1/20 of the arguments i just said u dumb or somethin?

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heres my point of view: accept it or not, we are all indirectly exploiting poor countries, to make profits and to consume more. i mean, capitalism is all about consuming.

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Capitalism is all about exploitation. North American domestic 'consumer capitalism' in particular might be 'all about consuming' inasmuch as it utilizes the tools provided by the situation.

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if you are rich, you are "important", because you consume a lot, and of course, u have power. arent we all puppets? consuming, consuming things we dont need but we buy because of brainwashing ads, education and school.

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I'd say that you're 'important' if you're rich more because you make people 'consume alot', because you're a capitalist.And, surprisingly enough, under capitalism capitalists hold the power. I'll agree with the rest of you're post though. School functions as a disciplinary force not as an educational institution. I'll refer to Society of the Spectacle for a critique of 'ads'.

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capitalism would work so greatly if everyone would think about humans, before thinking about money. we are all gonna die, very soon, that i can tell, and just because of our consuming stupid system. i mean, everyone, the governement, the rich, are so brainwashed they dont understand a thing. how cant u care about your neighboor dyin? your earth dyin?

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Capitalism would be no more tolerable if the boss gave back some of his/her stolen wealth to have an acre of rainforest spared for a little while. Capitalism is intrinsically exploitive and hierarchal.

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isnt life more than objects you own? why everybody wants to be rich? i hate it, i hate system. at school, we learn u how to get a good job, but we should fuckin learn how to think for ourselves.

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Exactly! School conditions. It conditions you to obey and to gets you used to being unfree, to normalize oneself, to constrict thought and thereby avoid reassesments of the fundamental irrationalities of school. It is the precursor to wage-slavery and the pre-determined life and worldview that come with it. Any brief examination of the school day shows that no one seriously means to develop a love of education.

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first, im not sayin to vote for Kerry, hes a butt licker, but at least hes better than Bush, from my opinion. and why? well, sinceretly, why did he attack iraq? to deliver this country from Saddam? c-o-m-e on man. i mean, do u know how milliards of $ USA got in debts just coz of war? do u think he would have spend all this money to deliver a country? think man.

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Kerry would have been no better. Perhaps worse with regard to Iraq. During the election he critiqued the bush administration from a militaristic posture, saying that there weren't enough troops. Besides that his critiques were of the usual strategic, fundamentally imperialist, sort and nothing principled.

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He fuckin attacked it for oil, i mean thats a matter of fact. he killed so much innocents in top of that. jeez man. "americans"(i hate to use thise word id say USian coz canada and mexico is as american as USian) doest even have free hospital. theres so much criminality. why? coz of a bunch of richy rich asses owning ,milliards of $. many families in america must work over 70 hours to feed their childs. Bush is prefering spending money for what will make him possess more, rather than helping poors to make the system a bit socialistic.

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Modest reform and very limited nationalisation are not socialism. Capitalist politicians just like to accuse other capitalist politicians of 'socialism' regardless of the truth.

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Hes so stupid in top of that. he cant write a fuckin speech by himself. i bet u didnt see faranheit 9/11 either. this guy is simply a butt licker. i dont understand why ppl voted for him. he will ruin USA(pretty much alrdy done). he still keeps army troops in iraq. why? "to protect the iraquians" MY ASS. all this corrupted shit makes me sick. so when u ask me why theyre brainwashed for voting for him well u know why. and americans ask therselves why terrorists want to attack USA. wake up! he killed so many iraq civilians, destructed so many homes, he cares bout nothing cept richs and himself.

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Bush is not the summa of everything bad in the world. Simply getting rid of the bush administration will change nothing.

well i guess changing the american government, from my point of view, would change a lot of things...

Yes, but at what level? Switching around the party in power won't change anything significant. Subverting the fundamental assumptions of liberal democracy would, however.

ANARCHY

Haha.

man, we should just sit back and pack a bowl, just farm and shit, i mean, why the fuck do we need to have a 'wealthy' country, does it actually help us more than it harms us?

yes,it actually does.

why do we need to have a wealthy country?

or why do we need do have wealthy values, wealthy ppl, good system,etc..

the thing is that we are killing our only planet. seems like nobody realize that. we will die pretty soon. i im absolutly sure i will assist to The End. so why would we? to give a better life to our childrens, to live ourself in a better life, to help the poor, to not be individualist, to care about the whole society ecept only us. thats the point man. yea we can sit in a farm and smokin joints, but thall just give the power to any cocky politician to do what they want.

peace

P.S. im sure inactio is not to way to work. REBELLION!

the world is gonna end soon?are you a scientist?do you study the enviroment?or have you been reading THE ENQUIRER again?

Enquirer? actually you just have to look around you.

-In 20 years, there will be no more oil(it will proly cause wars)
-theres only 5% left of pure water in the world
-everyday we spend millions and miilions of garbages, trash, etc... we will soon have no more place to burn all this.
-we chop millions of trees everyday. most of the chopped areas cant grow trees anymore because of the chopped trees blocking the soil.
-war is everywhere, there are terrorists, genocides, etc..
-the air is at some places so polluated that we almost need a gas mask to breath.
-the ozone layer has holes in it
-and more troubles im forgetting....


peace

Mellow mood, I feel exactly the same way. Even many self-proclaimed liberals really dont ever question capitalism or corporate influence in government. Just look at the "the Daily Show with Jon Stewart". What a phony! He talks about the state of the press and blasts Republicans everyday, but look at his guests. Most of them are not surprisingly, hollywood celebrities. I never see Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn appear on the show. Its just about ratings. When doesnt he ever criticize Israel for its terrorist acts? If hes so upset about the press than why the fuck doesnt he do anything about it? Because the corportate controlled media benefits him and fills his pockets with millions. (he knows this, and thats why he never really explains why the press is so bad).

http://www.emogame.com/bushgame.html
IIts a little pro Kerry and a bit strange but it brings up some good points.

ok firstly the candain goverment may be pro-america but that is only cause they are scared no citizen of canada even likes the U.S. the only thing that is good about our relationship with them is trade if they didn't need our lumber and other natural resources we would have probually already gone to war with them and won due to all the support we would reciceive from countrys around the world.And honestly the american economy is gonna crash in about five years due to loss of oil. why? because your idiotic puppetmaster administration is to pig headed to prepare for the eventual happenings of no more fossil fuel.I really have nothing to say about whether or not it would be better if Kerry were president but heres a thought maybe you should have more then two guys running for presidency in a country with over 120million people in it you dumb fucks!

oh and another thing amsterdam,maybe if your so god damn brilliant as you seem to think you are you wouldn't have to personally attack people who choose to voice there opinions and maybe write something controversal but not dirrectly atacking another persons thoughts remember freedom of speech is something that the goverment that you protect so much can't even silence so give up.P.S. well writen peices mellow mood i look forward to replying to more of your posts

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ok firstly the candain goverment may be pro-america but that is only cause they are scared no citizen of canada even likes the U.S. the only thing that is good about our relationship with them is trade if they didn't need our lumber and other natural resources we would have probually already gone to war with them and won due to all the support we would reciceive from countrys around the world.And honestly the american economy is gonna crash in about five years due to loss of oil. why? because your idiotic puppetmaster administration is to pig headed to prepare for the eventual happenings of no more fossil fuel.I really have nothing to say about whether or not it would be better if Kerry were president but heres a thought maybe you should have more then two guys running for presidency in a country with over 120million people in it you dumb fucks!

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canada winning a war against the u.s.??you must be crazy.all your weapons are from america?we were attacked on sept. 11 because our own govt. was sleeping and thought if we left the problem alone it would go away.it did not.now we are going ANYWHERE we want and getting the people WE see as targets.who is gonna stop us??france?germany?CANADA???AMERICA can go anywhere in the world and bitch slap ba country.we run this show.america might voice it's opinion and differences but when someone fucks with us we unite and whoop ass.

i'd love if canada attacked the U.S.,a bunch of snowboarders and french runnin around everywhere.too funny.canada,hahahaha :cool:

i guess that's the price we pay for being THE superpower.

yea it have been previously posted this thing is funny haha

We've trained osama, and gave iraq weapons... Maybe if we'd stayed the fuck out of the middle east, we wouldn't of had 911 in the first place.

btw the bush admin that u love so much amsterdam was specifically warned about the terrorist attacks on the us and did nothing about it. But i'm sure you already knew that, and for some reason unknown to me, you still support them...

I mean think about it, they start a war over the bad intel, but they wouldn't make an effort to stop the attacks of 911 even when they were warned.

dazed: your the kind of person people have in mind when they say they dont like canada. Use your noggin man. I hate seeing people make Canada looks stupid like that. The only military power that could pose a threat to us is china. And thats just defensively. They got manpower but not much else. look up the stats on oil. See how much money we are saving. It doesnt add up man. The first week of war would have outweighed that. Guess who gives us more oil than iraq? Saudi Arabia. Who else? Mexico. Who else? CANADA. Those are the united states top importers of oil. Saudi Arabia alone imporst 5 times as much oil as Iraq. And this was before the war. At peak production. Right now Iraq produces less. Did you ever consider the possibility that maybe Bush had intel on saddam that cant be made public? Then you would have bitched about america never doing anything if he went out and gassed 13000 of his own people....again.

well i shall say yes the reserves of oil are low, and it is estimated that in about 15 years there will be no more. so, the prices are proly gonna reach records and the economy will crash.

second: the USA is gonna crash soon, im absolutly sure of that. why? i read an article talkin bout the USA debt: do u know what is the number of their debts?

4 200 milliards of dollar. that means 4 200 000 000 000$.

so i guess theres proly gonna have an economic crash,and the canada will be the first one to be touched by this situation. the iraq war cost so far 3,5milliards of bucks(not exactly sure of the number). Bush is a dick, and he will make the USA crash. this guy doesnt know how to rule a country.

and dazed yes i think there should have more than 1 fuckin president, an it should be instead a mix of rich and poor ppl, so the money would be redistributed more correctly and equaly.

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sorry, i meant 350 milliards :)

wow. Your edumucated. 350 "milliards" is a very very very low estimate for our war cost so far. VERY low. maybe 350 billion..... That national debt sounds about right also. somewhere around 4 trillion is what I heard last. There is actually a lot more oil thanwhat we are currently drilling in the world. Maybe in 5 years thats when our current drills will dry up. saudi arabia has hundreds of billions of gallons of untapped oil. Same with iraq, if it ever became necessary to drill for more. The debt is so large because we fund many things we dont need to. We give out shitloads of loans to developing countries etc... The national debt has been huge for decades. And we are stronger than ever.... but your sure of it :)

stronger than ever? let me laugh man. i can always say i own a porsche, but ill still have to pay for it. USA wont handle 2 or 3 more wars or theyll be totally ruined. and i doubt your 350 billion thing is true. what are your sources? what is exactly 1 billion? isnt it a lot more than 1 milliard?

http://www.taxtips.ca/statistics.htm#GovtDebt
20700 dollars per canadian. Not much less than Americas per person debt at around 25000.....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...er-costs_x.htm
ok I was a high estimate lol, but 5 billion a month = $5, 000, 000, 000

And most of our debt is from americans credit cards, bankruptcies, mortages, student loans etc... cutting of these programs would be a last, but effective resort.

lol. but how much exactly is 1 billion?