Posting this here before it's released to the general public. Our legendary Jack Flash is in and for only $50 an 1/8th.
It's the best harvest yet. See the attached pic.
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Posting this here before it's released to the general public. Our legendary Jack Flash is in and for only $50 an 1/8th.
It's the best harvest yet. See the attached pic.
got some clones ready? :)
jesus.... me plxxx
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Originally Posted by copobo
:lol5:
Any Grapefruit clones ready?
On a serious note, just curious if you're going to release you're lab reports on you're strains like Delta9 does? My brother wants more Grapefruit but not without proof of its medical value.
we just grew a grapefruit from bagseed.
I'll tell ya, it impressed all of us. It was a massive plant with super dense buds. We let it flower 70 days, prolly longer than most would, but man. great strain for pain + sleep.
I'll try to get one scanned. The grapefruit tested with CBD's over 8%.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboALLWD
That Jack Flash is beautiful.
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Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
Awesome, my brother will be glad to hear that.
Hell to the Yes! :rastasmoke:Quote:
Originally Posted by KindReviews
What's the Jack Flash and how do you grow her? Any specials for new patients?
Jack Herer x Super Skunk, she's grown using the sea of green method.
We offer a free edible for any first time patients, and if you bring in a friend we offer free meds up to an 1/8th for every gram they purchase.
The Jack Flash??? has got me Jacked up! :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheReleafCenter
Amazing, one hit wonder even after I've been burning Urkle all week... :jointsmile::wtf::stoned::thumbsup:
Best MMJ I've had for awhile, easily in my top 5 favs, hell it might have even started the "concept" of the top 5 in my brain :D
Also, I went with a friend, great place- now easily my favorite but we didn't get a free edible... Maybe I forgot to ask? I was pretty caught up with the new patient progress and all that great herb! You guys easily had some of the best C strains I've seen in awhile (I only look @ the c's, never buy lol)
Guys, do you have any Jack left?
If there is more left save me a 1/4 and I'll pick it up tomorrow.
Yeah, I need to pick some of that up too...
I've had 3 different Jack Flash's at ReLeaf... one was called Mountain Jack, it was pretty damn good. But I really liked the really fruity one that was around awhile back and was from an outside vendor. I hope it's that one!
Lamp, when we hear back from the guys, if it's the right "jack", we can add that to the hit list.
This is going to be a :stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::s toned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::sto ned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stone d::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned:
weekend.
I was told this jack flash was in house grow? I think I remember that correctlyQuote:
Originally Posted by lampost
Well this shit I'm sure is good, but I don't think it's the Jack that I originally fell in love with...
I got some JF last Nov/Dec and LOVED it. It was gone for awhile. I then came back later again in Dec and Jack was back. Though this time they said it was done in-house and it was better!! But when I tried it I found it was much airier and not as tasty and potent. It was pretty damn good, but not AMAZING like before.
But anyway I gotta try it and report back!
Same genetics, better crop. It's done in house, although the Mountain and Simple Jack's were not. Check out the review @ kindreviews if you haven't had a chance to pick it up yet. I think it's competition level bud.
@thereleafcenter we offer a daily menu service for free. Email me for the info [email protected]
Eh.. I tried it. It's not bad. Not to be an asshole, but I don't think it's quite competition bud. It's hydro!
The best Jack I got in there was from a vendor back at the end of November... and I remember you had your in-house a few weeks later and said it was better, but I thought the vendor stuff was WAY better.
I'm guessing it was just a one-off then from a vendor that's not a regular. Sounds like you don't have it anymore.
The soil-grown was way denser and much TASTIER.
^Hey I forgot to add that this does have nice potency though... which may be the only thing some people are concerned with.
My experience with this strain finds me giving it a "C".
Really? Lol, nice I guess. That's the best part about Herb in my opinion- That is, to each his/her own.:jointsmile: I felt that way about the OG that everyone was getting off on, meanwhile my GF swears on her life it was some of the best she has ever smoked.:thumbsup: Everything is going to hit people differently (don't even get me started on how most edibles I've tried make me sleepy and/or sick :wtf:) Peace, love and dankness for everybody!Quote:
Originally Posted by FarmerSteve
But steve, kindreviews gave it an A :D:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by FarmerSteve
This reminds me of when the Strainman was so excited about Tangerine Haze from up in the mountains. I traveled the 3 1/2 hours round trip and found some great smoke but really, the Tangerine Haze was good but for me not the come to Jesus strain I was hoping for.
I follow strain reviews to give me insight, chances are if a dispensary has one quality strain they have several. I will visit a place because of a good strain review and then choose using my own senses.
It is soooo subjective about what is the difference between an A+, A or B strain.
Reenster, exactly. I use reviews in the same sense but like I said, I agree with you. One thing EVERYONE has to remember is reviews are unique and individual to the reviewer. It's all preference, perception and an individuals expectations. I know when I went to Bryans for some Urkle, that was the highest expectations I've had yet for some herb and I WAS NOT let down, however it wasn't my "jesus stain". I give the urkle easily an A- although, I can see how people would give it an A, A+ or even B+. The jack flash? I would also give that an A-. Everyone will have their own expectations for an A+ strain but I don't think any dispensaries should be offended for anything above a B+. Furthermore, I like most have smoked a LOT of different herb from dispensaries, and I want to say that 75% of their "A" strains in my world would be a B strain yet I don't complain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenster
I think the price war is interesting- I've seen places that I would observe have higher overhead costs and still charging 50$ an eight where other places with obvious low overhead cost/simple set ups charging 60$. But that's where I put their herb where their mouth is. If I have 2 strains that I though were legitimately an A in my book and one was 60$ and the other 50$, well the 50$ one get's the A, and the 60$ gets an A- for real.
I've since stopped posting my reviews here because I can't help but to think whether these places really genuwinly want to know what their REAL customers opinion are or if they would rather read reviews done by people who have external influences (free herb, advertising money, PR etc) that will impair their non-biasness. I remember reading KR site almost over a year ago, and now I take the reviews with HUGE grains of salt because it's obvious there's a lot of ad revenue coming in which might impact the reviewers opinion. :hippy:
That's why we post here, mainly because no one pulls any punches. Some of the best feedback you can get. You should see our thread over @ DailyBuds. It's brutal.
[QUOTE=I remember reading KR site almost over a year ago, and now I take the reviews with HUGE grains of salt because it's obvious there's a lot of ad revenue coming in which might impact the reviewers opinion. :hippy:[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the feedback, it's good to understand your perceptions of our site and reviews has changed. I will always appreciate further insight if and when you want to offer it ([email protected]). :thumbsup:
To your point I want to make sure we are very clear on how we operate. We were approached by two dispensaries asking to advertise and we didn't. They kept asking and we decided that it wasn't a bad thing, it will help us further our mission, afford testing in the future, sponsor charity events, etc. so we built the ad admin into our site. I want everyone to take note of who has advertised on our site and the grades they have been given. CAM was the first to pay us, they have NEVER received an "A" and have 2 "B" grades to date. The Releaf Center has not advertised with us, they have received back to back "A" grades. Delta 9 advertises with us, they have one of the 4 "C+" grades we've given out of 100 strains. We've actually disallowed reviewsers from reviewing certain stuff because they have become friends with the owners.
Obviously people react differently and there is no way to have a review without incorporating one's opinion. If a person doesn't like our opinion and finds they consistently get opposing results on their own then they shouldn't read our reviews (funny how some people on hear don't like us and yet continue to have our name in their mouth and know what grades we gave to who - seems like a waste of their time, no?). Other people will find they agree with what we are saying and go to us regularly - and we get emails from those people thanking us for what we do. Some people have truly confused themselves on what we do - we tell people what we think, we don't tell other people what to think. Unfortunately not everyone on this site or others are as mature or as respectful of other humans beings in that light. One avenue we have taken to combat the "personal effect" is to have multiple reviewers review every strain on their own, and then review it on multiple occassions. We still write as an "I" most of the time because it's more personal but if it only did one thing to one person and two or three others it did not, we won't write that into the review, or we will clearly lable it as such "we saw one account of yadda yah".
The reality is that we haven't found another site or group that has visited more dispensaries and smoked more strains from those dispensaries than what we have. So, even if you know that you personally disagree with our "taste and smell" regularly it could still be of benefit to compare our reviews across a sampling of what you may pick up today because we stay consistent and we've collected samples/reviews at such depth and breadth. Everyday we work to enlargen that base so people just like the ones on this forum have more information to use for themselves. It would be a sad day for all of us at KindReviews to learn that any people viewed us as a demigogue and digested our reviews with no thoughts on their own. The whole MMJ movement is about thinking, about alternatives, about options - those are core to KindReviews as well.
PS - KR.com doesn't receive enough monthly revenue to pay for one apartment lease. I could mow lawns for a month and make more money ;) The real bias (and completely understandable) comes from parents talking about their own kids - read growers and shop owners discussing their own product. That's not even debatable.
Thanks for the kind words MB, and I agree. Shoot man, I tell everyone that the HARDEST, and I mean HARDEST hitting indica type of herb (who knows WFT it really was) I have EVER smoked was some home grown stuff in Arizona that looked like shit, and had almost no taste. It was unreal. We started watching the movie "Training Day", and almost two hours later I "came to" and realized that I had thought the movie was real life, and I had somehow been riding around with the two of them!! :stoned:Quote:
Originally Posted by MysteryBee
And this was after ONE hit at a time when I'd do in an 1/8 of good stuff a day. So what would that get as a rating? It was an "F' on the looks, smell and taste scale, but the high was the most potent my wife or I have ever experienced, even 10 years later. I ignorantly decided to take a couple of rips before I went home. It was a quick 10 minute drive, but it took nearly an hour, and I have no idea where I was or what I was doing. I could barely move. The wife was hella pissed, UNTIL she hit it, and then she went from awake and livid to flat ass mumbling in about 5 minutes.
And there's more stories to tell, but that should suffice. What I saying is it's all up to the person as far as the high goes. It hits us all differently. BUT, there are other things to be considered if we must rate weed, which I again argue is borderline pointless UNLESS you are a person who smokes a bunch of the world's best herb all the time and have the skills to interpret certain things.
This herb looks nice, has a good cure to it, okay aroma. BUT, there is little to no taste, and of course that means that you'll have the ashy after taste, so it's a wide swing. I tried another bowl last night and got very little out of it.
Maybe this is one that is lost on me? But based on taste alone, there is NO WAY that this is an "A" along the line of CCF's "Urkel OGK".
NO WAY.
MB, this isn't directed at you, your quote just made me think of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MysteryBee
I forgot to mention that the people who are KR.com are also REAL customers. We are patients and we medicate for purpose as well as review - and we buy the medicine that is the best from the places that sell it. We've purchased Banner#3, DJ Shorts, Jack Flash, Plum Kush and others. We will continue to do so, including some of our B+ grades as my wife, another real customer, only prefers 2 strains and they both earned that mark and we pay for it.
KR.com is a part of the MMJ community, the larger Metro community in general, and we put energy and money right back into it every single day. :)
Travis...
Question for ya..
How do MMJ reviewers procure the product to be reviewed?
I'm thinking that a truly unbiased and honest review would follow the Consumer Reports type of model. Reviewer would not accept gratis product and would purchase unknown to dispensary or grower. Testing would be a combination of subjective and objective. Any comment?
... You posted while I was typing. Thanks for your comments.
Well, I will tell you since no one at KR chimed in. They do come in and tell who they are. And it is not unheard of for them to receive large samples for free. Hell, they gotta get pictures ya know. Some dispensaries obviously don't play the game. And this is where some bias can be introduced. Would you give an A to the guy who threw you a gram and a B to the guy who threw you an ounce?! Might be hard... You gotta make that guy feel appreciated for kicking you an ounce!
I thought about doing a dispensary review site, but I couldn't reconcile how to pull in revenue without being biased. The ideas I came up with were changing the entire direction of the site, so I scrapped it.
Now this thread is a great example of why I don't read strain reviews. I've gotten 3 different Jack Flashs at ReLeaf alone!! How can you say "Jack Flash is an A from ReLeaf", when there've been 3 different JF's there?! Because the grower is just as important as the strain!
And I didn't see what this strain got. I heard it was an A. That is just laughable that a ubiquitious strain like JF, grown in hydro, would beat out a purple OG cut (ah... that nobody else even HAS), grown in soil, by a damn-fine competition level grower. Laughable my friend.
Its hard not to let bias in, but I've seen those ads on your page. I don't have time to pick apart your website. I did notice Delta-9 had several A+ strains and I noticed several inflated reviews of stuff I'd personally smoked before.
Is that why you guys keep making new websites, so you can pay the rent on ALL of your apartments/houses?
denverToad, nice to see you on here too, i'm the same Travis on nationalweedographic as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denvertoad
I can't speak for all review sites, but the process worked like this for KR. We only purchased at the beginning, nobody heard of us, we were the first review site in CO, it was unclear what whould happen. Once stores started getting customers and calls asking about strains on our site, the next time we went in they wouldn't let us pay. We let them know that if it sucks it will still get a bad grade, period. Everyone that got a bad grade has accepted it, and many have received, in their minds, bad grades.
So, we discussed the pros and cons. It would be nice to buy eveything undercover, but it's also important to get as many strains from as many places as possible. Can we personally afford to purchase and still meetin our larger mission? The answer then, as it remains right now, is no. We can't afford to operate under that model, so how do we account for potential bias, how can we keep this as close to it's start point as possible? We decided to have multiple people go to different shops to avoid friendship scenarios as best as possible. We perform smell tests right away, but we then stagger and sort review samples across the calendar to avoid the reviewer thinking of the budtender hype that was given, most often using new reviewers altogether that never even saw that store or know where it came from.
I think you raise very valid points, DT, and I hope that things work out well enough so that we have the ability to purchase everything we review. However, under the current circumstances I think we've gone way beyond what any other site is doing (I know we have in fact) and that the safeguards we have in place do add value. To the honest point, we are honest, that's a definite. Buying or accepting plays to bias I concur, but what affects the body how is written meticulously and we will not post a review that doesn' have multiple people and we read the reviewer's notes to ensure they were taken with time intervals and our process was followed.
As an example of us doing our very best, we have chosen not to review any more of CCF's strains after the UrklexOG. We've heard from owners or growers before regarding the grade or review but this was the first attack on our characters and our veracity. They lied about grades we had previously posted and they refused to interact off the forum. I've spoken with Bryan's mother at CCF, I've left messages fro Bryan to call me, and I've emailed Bryan as a business owner explaining that I'd like to remove emotion and meet him in person so we can simply get to know each other better as human beings. He has refused to even respond. In light of the forum exchanges and the behavior display we felt there was toomuch of a chance for bias to play a role, so we have offered to return the samples CCF gave us.
This is a dispensary with a large online presence, good medicine, and broad marketing. It doesn't benefit KR.com to refrain from having them, it's just the right thing to do.
Since you are on NW.com please go in there and start a comment on my wall for how we can improve the use of the KR.com site for you, address any concerns, etc in light of our mission and the above realities. Even with all the negativity spewed by CCF and their ilk, we still listened to them and altered our site to better account for their complaints and desires. We're all ears...and occassionally mouths ;)
Nobody else has cliff divers, so Casa Bonita is an A+ right, best restaurant out there, one of a kind. C'mon man, that is irrelavent to the grade. If we know that info, we highlight it in the review, see the Quail or Real Lemon. I'm willing to have real discussion about how reviewers and sites can better benefit the MMJ community, but you aren't now and haven't been thus far. Seriously, you talked smack on us for the UrklexOG for posts and posts and then later that day you post "I haven't tried it yet". That, my friend, is laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
We've never recieved an OZ from anyone, we've never received more than 2 grams and usually it's only 1.
My name is on this site, my real name, my website addresses, I've left my email for your friends, you have it right up above there, email me and I'll give you my cell number. Pick a place and I'll come have lunch with you.
Where are you? Hiding under a lampshade talking shit.... :(
I really feel the need to step in here and stand up for CCF.Quote:
Originally Posted by travisKR
First off Travis, you weren't involved at all in the CCF thread where this all went down.... it was Tim. So, you must've heard all of this second-hand... where's Tim...
Bryan seems like a super chill guy and his posts would indicate that... he wasn't even really involved in the argument, go back and read it. It was Bryan's customers FIERCELY defending his high-quality herb!! I was the one calling out the strain grades and I made the mistakes (honestly). What does that say about CCF, huh? He didn't even have to open his fuckin' mouth man! The customers were the ones who called out your review site, me specifically! So, don't try to pin any of this on CCF.
Tim initially suggested the "challenge" between Banner, Plum Kush, and Purple OG. Bryan never once showed any interest in this. You guys tried to play this off as a way to show that your rating system was non-biased. However, a few of us realized that with you "hand-picking" the competition, that the cards were stacked against Purple OG. Obviously, there's weed out there that's as good or better than Purple OG (although it's hard to find). So you guys were "stacking the deck" with strains you'd had before that you knew could hang with Purple OG. A true test of your would've been random selections from the "A" and "A+" categories, no? So why the fuck would CCF want to compete in that? I don't blame him at all...
I say don't exclude CCF on account of what their patients did man! You should be reviewing more of their shit after you found out how passionate some of their customers are, eh? Man, for you guys and all your "law-school" talk your a bunch of jokers...
EDIT: I'm not interested in sharing my personal info on here buddy... just my ideas. The fact that I don't want to share my personal info on the same board where I ask grow questions doesn't make me a pussy. I think your strain reviews are bullshit, that's all. And I'll continue to call out your bullshit all day... 2 gram samples, huh?
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Originally Posted by lampost
I'm right here and that lampshade is another lie from you. Bryan said he would put the Urkel Og up against the strains reviewed. That was his idea!!
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Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ
We set up an unbiased review board of people we didn't even know and you guys backed out and said you were just going to throw your own. What is that about?
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Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ
Damn, you must've had that thread memorized! I didn't remember him showing any interest... was just going to go back and check and you beat me to it! I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by KindReviews
Oh well, the fact still stands that your strain reviews are definitely biased, despite all your efforts to say otherwise. And I think they're bullshit! 2 grams, huh? Is that a new policy!?!
When you said CCH in that last thread was that a little slip? They looked like one of your biggest backers last time I checked...
I'm not hiding under anything buddy. I'll stay with you. However, I'm not going to give out my contact info on here as I also post growing questions on here.
EDIT: My bad. It wasn't a lie it was a mistake.
Have you met me, have you met anyone from KR.com in person? This is your reality as you created it, negativity. You don't have to post info here, I gave you my info so you can contact me. I'm not hiding what I do or why I do it, or even how I do it - and yet you still continue to lie (one is a mistake, but two, three...) as we have NEVER received more than a 2 gram sample for review, NEVER.Quote:
Originally Posted by lampost
KR.com's biases or potential bias have been open discussion. I've opened our doors, I've asked for feedback, I've made changes based upon that feedback. Your biases on the other hand are covered, under smoke, non-negotiable. So is your identity and potential concomitant angles. Spade.
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Originally Posted by KindReviews
I never boasted the urkle og. The fact is i got a stable of strains that are as good or better. I told you all that I would love to stick my urkle og in a jar next to the strains you all quoted as being better (afgooey, blue dream, nycd, hong kong, if my memory serves correct). Now its the urkle og against the two best strains you can find?? Why would I bother to participate when your picking the judges and its already beyond obvious you have a vendetta agianst our shop??