America is not free.

AMERICA IS TO BE FREE! (EVERYONE AGREES EXCEPT TALIBAN, KOREA, A FEW OTHERS, AND THE JOKER,) but how can we be free with millions of laws being shoved down our throat by lady liberty's torch, and uncle sam's finger!

FREEDOM: exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.

WHAT THE F@#$! IS OUR DICTIONARY WRONG?!?! OMG AMERICA IS NOT FREE?!? DID WEBSTER MAKE A MISPRINT?! no he did not there are 17 definitions of freedom and not one constitutes that you can have laws and regulations and still be free.

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Originally Posted by peble

America is not free.

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yes it is. :wtf:

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

yes it is. :wtf:

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no, its not.:(

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

yes it is. :wtf:

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how can u say that when u see what freedom actually means NO REGULATIONS/LAWS... and you try and count or even google to find the exact number of laws America has.

I'm not saying say murder is ok or what ever but the government is becoming more and more powerful compared to the citizens, which according to washington was never supposed to happen, thats one of the reason we have the 2nd amendment... to keep the government in line when needed(you will never here a politician admit it but it is 100% true! read the whole 2nd amendment and see what they leave out!

You know how to tell if a politician is just another old guy looking for power and money? He will tell you that America is free, and then pass a BS law the next day to make taxes (and his salary) higher (thanks bama! have fun spending half my paycheck on shit we don't need!:thumbsup:)

Go live in any of the following; Africa, South America, China, anywhere in the middle east, russia, korea, basically 95% of the countries.

And you will see how fucking nice and easy you have it here in America. What? Just because you gotta be slightly paranoid about the law when you smoke weed? If you don't have any ideas/reason to make a difference, then quit bitching.

I can't stand the government either. The laws nowadays are getting out of hand and seem to only be made to further break humans down into perfect little robots (but it could be so much worse). Chill out. As long as money runs the world, the government and their disgusting ways are here to stay.

You wanna start making a change? Assassinating the corporate CEO's that run this world seems like a good start.

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Originally Posted by Thizz All Day

Go live in any of the following; Africa, South America, China, anywhere in the middle east, russia, korea, basically 95% of the countries.

And you will see how fucking nice and easy you have it here in America. What? Just because you gotta be slightly paranoid about the law when you smoke weed? If you don't have any ideas/reason to make a difference, then quit bitching.

I can't stand the government either. The laws nowadays are getting out of hand and seem to only be made to further break humans down into perfect little robots (but it could be so much worse). Chill out. As long as money runs the world, the government and their disgusting ways are here to stay.

You wanna start making a change? Assassinating the corporate CEO's that run this world seems like a good start.

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Freedom can only be achieved once more from a CRY of the people the likes even GOD or Pharo has never heard before.

Those that can give up basic liberties and freedom for even temporary relief.
Should not expect FREEDOM nor disserve FREEDOM.

There is a price and I am willing to pay it as my father and his fathers did.

As our forfathers said. (Damn the Rum and fire up the cooper pots and hand me my pipe. We got some smoking to do boys.)

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

yes it is. :wtf:

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yeah, i gotta agree, I'm feeling pretty free right now.

Peble, Yes, we do have a sh*tload of laws to reform but we inherited all the tools we need to do it, The Constitution of The United States of America. what more do you want? get to work. :rasta:

I'm not moving from my country because f#$%ed up politicians are screwing it up, we need to kick them the hell out. We do have more freedom then other countries, but in the span of say 40 years look how many regulations and laws there are imagine 100 years... no one is stopping them, look at the statistics for countries that accumulate tons and tons of laws they turn into dictatorships and sh$t.

I don't know about you but i don't want to just sit back "oh yeah i feel free, so I'm not going to complain," when what is happening now is going to effect my future kids, and the generations to come. Just my opinion guys, sorry if I caused some tension. I love America, and what it was founded on, that's why I care so much.

^ i hear you man. no fault in questioning the powers that be. :smokin:

America does have a lot of laws... but when you boil it all down, I don't have a problem with very many of them. My biggest issue is gun control, but thankfully for me I live in PA which has pretty respectable gun laws. I can carrry a concealed weapon on me here in good ol PA. Laws are put in place for the good of the country and it's citizens. I don't have a problem with really any of the laws here. Someone is probably goign to ask: "how can you say that posting on a website about reefer?" well the answer is, I've been apart of this forum for a long time now, and just because I stopped smoking dope doesn't mean I stopped posting here. So the fact that I don't smoke or even really think about weed at all anymore, the fact that it's illegal doesn't bother me in the least. Sucks for you guys and all my friends/relatives that smoke!

but yeah, America is the greatest country in the world. It's good to see that folks like peble are taking an interest in making sure it stays a great country, just don't say it's not free. A lot of people gave their lives to make sure this country stays the best in the world. I mean come on, it's almost veterans day...don't be saying this country isn't free. That is pretty disrespectful.

Whenever anyone (ALWAYS an American) says the U.S. is the greatest country in the world, I can't help but roll my eyes and think Uncle Sam has taught him well. Mainly because they can never give me a real reason why.

I've travelled a lot in the last couple of years, and the best country I've come across is France. I've been in about twenty U.S. states, and the people in every single one of them were much, much ruder than they are in France, and much more ignorant with culture and politics and so on. The French government also actually fears the people, who riot when a law or something really pisses them off. The Pentagon on the other side is so mighty it's not really a concern if 10,000 protesters show up--they know they'll have their way forever. There's so much more sexual openness in France, no ultra-rigid drinking laws that only raise teen drinking binges, etc. Europe is a cultural gem in general.

So someone enlighten me please....explain the U.S. as the world's #1 country?

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Originally Posted by cannabis=freedom

Whenever anyone (ALWAYS an American) says the U.S. is the greatest country in the world, I can't help but roll my eyes and think Uncle Sam has taught him well. Mainly because they can never give me a real reason why.

I've travelled a lot in the last couple of years, and the best country I've come across is France. I've been in about twenty U.S. states, and the people in every single one of them were much, much ruder than they are in France, and much more ignorant with culture and politics and so on. The French government also actually fears the people, who riot when a law or something really pisses them off. The Pentagon on the other side is so mighty it's not really a concern if 10,000 protesters show up--they know they'll have their way forever. There's so much more sexual openness in France, no ultra-rigid drinking laws that only raise teen drinking binges, etc. Europe is a cultural gem in general.

So someone enlighten me please....explain the U.S. as the world's #1 country?

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France lol.....I had to laugh at this one. Aint no uncultured or untraveled Yank here my friend. Ill never forget going to a football match in the burbs of Paris in 2005.....EVERYTIME a black guy touched the ball the ENTIRE stadium erupted into Monkey sounds......the ENITRE stadium. I have never seen anything like it. Or lets head over to Warsaw Poland where their Govt. refused to let some Jewish football players come their country because some Muslims were offended....Is this the cultural gem your referring to lol? Leave it to .....the video of the cultured parisans mocking minorities is all over youtube if people wanna watch it for themselves.

Riots huh.....the last riots I remember were all the muslims burning trashcans and working peoples cars in Paris because they got their sensitive feelings hurt,awwwwww, so sad.

Belgium is more cultured and accepting than France these days.....Compared to London or Prague....Paris is the armpit of Europe homie.:pimp: The glory days are gone.....Hell I had a better time in Belgrade than Paris

How is Ameica better....lets see...off the top of my head. Our healthcare system (with all it's prblems) is better than Canadas or France's. Shit Canadians come by the busload to Minnesota for treatment and pills the canadian govt. WONT pay for.

Thats just one.

US is the RICHEST and GREEDIEST country ill say that. greed is the answer to all that you all are speaking on. because yes this country WAS founded with great intentions to be the BEST country in the world. just like a company might begin, with talks of treating the employees with equality and respect, and all with great benefits and rights galore...until that is of course the power and money and respect started to build and those with all those possesions couldnt control the human nature most of us hide. they started to ignore the "good" instilled in most at the time by religion...the fear of god and all. the ones whose pockets and mansions grew ignored their ever growing smaller conscience yelling in their ears. eventually over time...the snowball's grown. and those with power, are still in control. is this a "free" country...well yeah in the ideas of its structure...but nowadays can we really say the "structure" of this country is good. we vote...but is it really us that is heard? when you go to the store and something is free...you dont gotta pay the person behind the counter any $ right?...well then why do i gotta pay so goddamn much to live in this country if its a free country? yeah it's one of my personal motto's to say it could always be worse...cause it could. but dont let that really blind you from whats going on, distract and let you enjoy yer day? sure...but dont be fooled...nothing in this life is free, especially not the american people...we are all controlled, and if you dont see that? well than congrats modern-day uncle sam...yer winning!

Our Military is better equipped and stronger than either Canada or France. Our Military actually fights, unlike France where they would now be speaking German and killing Jews...Canada does fight.

We have a bigger, richer, middle class than either nation and that speaks volumes. Even in a downturn and war.

More LEGAL immigrants CHOOSE America over Canada or France, and that continues right now.

Our women are WAY hotter and have nicer teeth than any native born French woman (not counting foreigner models in France)

Our food is better than French food. Shit, British food is better than French food

We have a bigger, ri

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Originally Posted by cannabis=freedom

Whenever anyone (ALWAYS an American) says the U.S. is the greatest country in the world, I can't help but roll my eyes and think Uncle Sam has taught him well. Mainly because they can never give me a real reason why.

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Because it ain't Canada. :rastasmoke:

^ just kidding of course, I love Canada but get tired of hearing some of them bash the US, its almost like an obsession with some of them. In contrast, most people in the US probably couldn't even tell you where Canada was on a map. :D

You guys ! :S2:

You yanks and cannucks are okay. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by cannabis=freedom

Whenever anyone (ALWAYS an American) says the U.S. is the greatest country in the world, I can't help but roll my eyes and think Uncle Sam has taught him well. Mainly because they can never give me a real reason why.

I've travelled a lot in the last couple of years, and the best country I've come across is France. I've been in about twenty U.S. states, and the people in every single one of them were much, much ruder than they are in France, and much more ignorant with culture and politics and so on. The French government also actually fears the people, who riot when a law or something really pisses them off. The Pentagon on the other side is so mighty it's not really a concern if 10,000 protesters show up--they know they'll have their way forever. There's so much more sexual openness in France, no ultra-rigid drinking laws that only raise teen drinking binges, etc. Europe is a cultural gem in general.

So someone enlighten me please....explain the U.S. as the world's #1 country?

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because our tanks don't have five reverse gears and one forward, also a white flag isn't standard issue in the service :D

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Originally Posted by Islandborn

Our Military is better equipped and stronger than either Canada or France. Our Military actually fights, unlike France where they would now be speaking German and killing Jews...Canada does fight.

We have a bigger, richer, middle class than either nation and that speaks volumes. Even in a downturn and war.

More LEGAL immigrants CHOOSE America over Canada or France, and that continues right now.

Our women are WAY hotter and have nicer teeth than any native born French woman (not counting foreigner models in France)

Our food is better than French food. Shit, British food is better than French food

We have a bigger, ri

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Yes, Canada fights, and I'm ashamed of it. If a country's greatness is measured on how much sand you can kick in the other kids' faces, then you win.

The bigger, richer middle-class part is just plain horseshit. I can't speak for France (though I'd assume), but Canada has much less poverty, as I've observed touring the U.S., where basically every major city has some pretty ugly poverty. Non-patriots tend to know that few places in the world is the gap between the tiny wealthy elite and the ever-growing lower-class masses greater than in America.

As for immigrants...a country's reputation doesn't always make it so.

The women part is a matter of opinion, but I personally find the French birds that I saw much easier on the eyes (and less obese in general).

The one point that I'm ASTOUNDED you made, however, was about the food. I've never, ever eaten better than French food, which far outstrips the homogenized swill we have in North America (Canada included).

Look at this, for one...you're defending your country out of patriotic zeal, and I'm advocating a country I was neither born or raised in, nor have any heritage of. One of us might be a little more biased than the other.

And as for your charges of racism...I'd argue in the U.S. it's just as rampant, just more suppressed (except in the south).

And I've never been to Norway, but apparently it's consistently ranked as the world's top country. I'd like to look into that one. The U.N. index has never to my knowledge ranked the U.S. as #1, at least in recent years.

I have nothing against the U.S., I'm just saying there are better countries and people shouldn't be so biased. Oh, but American health care is disgusting, and no one can argue otherwise (except for the wealthy, who can afford the top treatment, the others get left in the dirt, have to pay many times the insurance rates that Canadians do in health taxes, and often get dropped by the companies when they get a major illness. Great).

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Originally Posted by cannabis=freedom

The one point that I'm ASTOUNDED you made, however, was about the food. I've never, ever eaten better than French food, which far outstrips the homogenized swill we have in North America (Canada included).

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yeah, I gotta admit the duck I had in Paris was about the tastiest meal I have ever had. :thumbsup: Bon Apetite'. :D the pizza we had in Germany and France was much better than the ones we had in Italy, too. go figure. :jointsmile: okay new thread idea, things we love about Europe and we'll just let this thread die out.

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

because our tanks don't have five reverse gears and one forward, also a white flag isn't standard issue in the service :D

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;)oui oui

lol im not talking about who is stronger guys, I'm talking about being free! In north korea Kim Bong Lee (dictator lol) tells his country they are free and the citizens believe it! They have pulled a blanket over those poor people! if I could put a bullet in his head i would and forget about it with a smile on my face by the time the next blunt comes around; he is a sick and discusting thing (no even considered a human to me because he treats his country like dogs, fenced in and sheltered from the outside world.)
YouTube - Welcome to North Korea by Peter Tetteroo and Raymond Feddema / Documentary Educational Video (sorry if I cant post links, but this is educational)

Also I am a big gun control activist as well! I'm a life member of the NRA! People need to realize the 2nd amendment was put in the constitution to keep the government in line, so they cannot overpower the people! Any politician that wants to take away guns knows this! They want more power and money which can be achieved by un-arming the citizens on AMERICA! All of them know that if they ban guns crime will not cease. think of it this way, drugs are illegal but criminals still get them, if guns were illegal they will still get them! The only people who are getting their guns taken are law-abiding citizens! The government will never take my f#$%ing guns, only from "my cold dead fingers", if they do try to let me tell you this THERE WILL BE ANOTHER CIVIL WAR, and the military will not back the president at that time.

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... I'm a life member of the NRA! People need to realize the 2nd amendment was put in the constitution to keep the government in line, so they cannot overpower the people! Any politician that wants to take away guns knows this! They want more power and money which can be achieved by un-arming the citizens on AMERICA! ...

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peble, i have a suggestion. start a new thread called the US is free, and continue this line of thought there. its like H4H was saying, a lot of people on here may agree with what you are actually saying but not very many Americans are going to agree with the title of this thread. The point you just made above is a good evidence that we are free, right? :)

I'm not saying we don't have to fight to stay that way but lets all agree this the US ain't North Korea. We have a rights here given to us by our creator that must be defended, but can be defended.

How free are we ?

Let's see. When you can be arrested for INTENT. How free are you ?

That's just thinking. Not a conspiracy that's making plans just thinking about something.

You can have your gun but just don't think about using them.

Oh, they convicted me of not growing. That was not enough. They convicted me of INTENT to sell and that's it. What I never intended to do but is the worst they can put on you. Intent to sell to little kids and that makes you a terrorist too.

^ I agree with you about "intent" laws, they are total bullshit. it would be like charging with someone with "intent to commit armed robbery" just because they own a gun. only with cannabis laws do they get away with that kind of logic. :wtf:

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

because our tanks don't have five reverse gears and one forward, also a white flag isn't standard issue in the service :D

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HAHA...........YEAH!!! SEMPER FI

gotta add
And because when the shit hits the fan its the US Marines that lead the way





again gotta add, my flags are their on the corner because I am proud not because I cant figure out how to change it.

" freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose " - Kris Kristofferson, West Point grad., helicopter gunship pilot, Vietnam ...

don't know about some of you, but I feel pretty free ... I do pretty much as I please, take care of myself, best I can ... ever wonder what's the most important thing you realize, as you get old ?, that all your bitching and whining, over the years, only contributed to your high blood pressure, and not much else ... ;)

relax, take life for what it is, there is really very little you can do to change it ... you live for awhile, then the really serious shit hits the fan, worry about that, instead ... :smokin:

As an Australian. I cant really comment on America. I dont really want to comment at all.

All i really want to say is:

If someone is prepared to stand up, take control, be prepared for a bloody hard fight and most of all, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. They would have my vote.

Complaining on a forum of how we arent free is B/S...remember you are free to run for Presidency / Prime Minister if you do really want to make a change.

Maybe run for Member of Parliament for your area. That vote is down to the Local People and they will decide upon what you tell them if your who they want.

Ill put my hand up now. I have a perfect solution. Instead of working for money to get what you need. How about cutting a step out and working for what you need? If you have a farm of corn,i will help you sow the seeds. We all eat corn. If i have cattle,help me milk them,we will all have milk.

Its the simple,help yourself to help others. If you can only help yourself than it must not be worth doing.

If 10 people help you,it takes a 10th of the time. Sooner or later we all have so much time,well be looking to help each other. As it is now. People have no time on their hands so pretty much everyone cops an F YOU! That continues in a big loop til everyones rooting each other...pretty much where we are now.

My bottom line is. Unless you are pro actively doing something to change this,you cant exactly complain. And complaining only makes things worse...

Start looking for change and actually looking. Scratch the surface and start to dig...it goes so deep.
I hope to see you on the other side :)

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Originally Posted by the image reaper

" freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose " - Kris Kristofferson, West Point grad., helicopter gunship pilot, Vietnam ...

don't know about some of you, but I feel pretty free ... I do pretty much as I please, take care of myself, best I can ... ever wonder what's the most important thing you realize, as you get old ?, that all your bitching and whining, over the years, only contributed to your high blood pressure, and not much else ... ;)

relax, take life for what it is, there is really very little you can do to change it ... you live for awhile, then the really serious shit hits the fan, worry about that, instead ... :smokin:

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Completely agree. :thumbsup:

The outlook I have now in my middle age is much more mellow than when I was young. I was an idealist then and have become a skeptic now.

Our government is not necessarily concerned with our rights and best interests, but it could be much, much worse. Visit a truly repressed country and you'll soon recognize how much freedom you have here.

For me life is pretty comfortable now. I expect less, desire less, and have more of a feeling of fulfillment.

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Completely agree. :thumbsup:

The outlook I have now in my middle age is much more mellow than when I was young. I was an idealist then and have become a skeptic now.

Our government is not necessarily concerned with our rights and best interests, but it could be much, much worse. Visit a truly repressed country and you'll soon recognize how much freedom you have here.

For me life is pretty comfortable now. I expect less, desire less, and have more of a feeling of fulfillment.

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Completely agree :thumbsup: ... yup, me too :D

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Originally Posted by boaz

^ I agree with you about "intent" laws, they are total bullshit. it would be like charging with someone with "intent to commit armed robbery" just because they own a gun. only with cannabis laws do they get away with that kind of logic. :wtf:

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It isn't just cannabis, they started 2 wars based on that premise too.
Pre-emptive strike is bullshit , if I hit someone in the street who I thought may hit me I would be charged with assault.
I can just see the courtroom and judge buying my defence of "I was sure he was gonna hit me governor" ;)

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It isn't just cannabis, they started 2 wars based on that premise too.
Pre-emptive strike is bullshit , if I hit someone in the street who I thought may hit me I would be charged with assault.
I can just see the courtroom and judge buying my defence of "I was sure he was gonna hit me governor" ;)

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okay, I stand corrected only cannabis laws and the bush doctrine. :jointsmile: your preachin to choir on that, my friend, I have never been a big fan of war. :)

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Originally Posted by discodood

As an Australian. I cant really comment on America. I dont really want to comment at all.

All i really want to say is:

If someone is prepared to stand up, take control, be prepared for a bloody hard fight and most of all, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. They would have my vote.

Complaining on a forum of how we arent free is B/S...remember you are free to run for Presidency / Prime Minister if you do really want to make a change.

Maybe run for Member of Parliament for your area. That vote is down to the Local People and they will decide upon what you tell them if your who they want.

Ill put my hand up now. I have a perfect solution. Instead of working for money to get what you need. How about cutting a step out and working for what you need? If you have a farm of corn,i will help you sow the seeds. We all eat corn. If i have cattle,help me milk them,we will all have milk.

Its the simple,help yourself to help others. If you can only help yourself than it must not be worth doing.

If 10 people help you,it takes a 10th of the time. Sooner or later we all have so much time,well be looking to help each other. As it is now. People have no time on their hands so pretty much everyone cops an F YOU! That continues in a big loop til everyones rooting each other...pretty much where we are now.

My bottom line is. Unless you are pro actively doing something to change this,you cant exactly complain. And complaining only makes things worse...

Start looking for change and actually looking. Scratch the surface and start to dig...it goes so deep.
I hope to see you on the other side :)

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:smokin: Welcome to Can Com! :rasta: I like your idea of getting back to basics, concentrating on what is really important, what can we yield from the gound up. :greenthumb: cause, really what more does one need?

Use the times of peace to prepare yourselves for the times of war, while enjoying yourselves with family and friends.

Freedom is a choice. You can do anything you want. You just have to be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. Actually you don't even have to be willing. We have to have penalties for people that would trample on your rights etc. But when those laws trample my rights to injest anything I desire (cannabis), and in doing so I am not harming anyone. Then no.
The United States is certainly not a free country. Far far from it. It is sickening to me how bad it really is. I am all for the constitution and what it is supposed to protect. Like my religious right to commune with nature and pursue happiness.
I choose to be free daily. I just hide it from authority because even though here in Wa. I have MMJ recommendation, it is still technically illegal.
:rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by boaz

yeah, i gotta agree, I'm feeling pretty free right now.

Peble, Yes, we do have a sh*tload of laws to reform but we inherited all the tools we need to do it, The Constitution of The United States of America. what more do you want? get to work. :rasta:

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the constitution without the bill of rights... is merely a tool to control you. We are not free... not because of the laws and such... we are not free, because the corporations are. They are the reasons for such laws. Pot will never be legal as long as the alcohol industry owns enough senators and congressmen etc etc for many other rules and whatnot. corporations should've never been given individual rights... bc they aren't individuals.

Lets look at what the toilet paper you believe in so much sets up.

Several writers stated it was designed to keep the majority of the population from passing the laws they wanted.... umm... that's what democracy is. Yes there definately should be minority protection... but we should look at the definition of minority... the constitution looks at it as a numbers game rather than a power and money game... hence the corporate/upper class can be considered a "minority." when they in fact have all the power. they didn't care about protecting minority groups of actual people. the founders only wanted to protect their money and property from the masses, and they wanted to take all the money from the masses. by making "big" government the bad guy.

While we gained property rights we'd never be able to fully utilize... we may own some land or a house but not means of production. we lost sustenance rights... the right to food, shelter etc. things that keep you alive... health care for example. here's how we got there:

Constitution sets up Two houses of congress... one is set up to actually represent the population... based on population a state gets so many house members. Yet the more powerful more convoluted Senate was based on an equal number 2... for each state. This would allow states with a small population to enforce their will upon the rest of the nation... if you don't believe that's how it worked... look at Joe LIEberman. and he's not even representing his constituents. The Senate is designed to protect one minority group... those with insane amounts of money. And this is just the legislative branch. the senate also gets to confirm the judicial high kings with life terms of the supreme court ( the very group that gave corporations individual rights) Now whether the founders schemed for it to end up like this is a silly question. I do not believe the forsaw this. They were acting merely in self-interest while they created a monster.

Further weakening the house... is that it's a winner take all system. Rather than European Proportional Representation, we have single-district plurality system. This system is designed to only allow two major parties. whereas the european system allows more. Ours stifles third parties. So the ruling class can control two parties that don't have a need to represent the people... and the individuals in those parties who want to represent the people are either not re-elected, or they end up in the house with little power... or if they make it to the senate, they are filibustered against and all their lil ppl ideas will be watered down by the Senate's process.

So two out of three branches... controlled. Of course the president can cause some problems, but not really, thanks to corporations having individual rights now, which is thanks to the Senate approved Judicial branch. corporations are allowed to by advertising for a candidate without it counting as a donation. soft money it's called.

The only tool we have is our vote. and that tool has been rendered USELESS by the constitution you so proudly say gives us freedom. If this is freedom, i'd hate to see what slavery was.

Government is supposed to be there to protect people... but it is there today to protect corporations and help them exploit us... our tax money is spent on R&D for corporations new products... they don't even have to risk their own capital... that economic system friends, is not capitalism even... it's fascism. Corporatism and Fascism are the same thing... just look at Mussolini's economy... as well as Hitlers... yes Hitler's party was called "socialist" in name, but it merely functiond as a reverse socialist party aka fascism in the economy.

Thankfully we do have the Bill Of Rights... which most founders didn't even want to give us. It was thrown in as a compromise. That does give us what little freedom we have. And that i support. As for the rest of the constitution... i do not.

Our only way to freedom is to take back the government however, not to eliminate it.

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Freedom is a choice. You can do anything you want. You just have to be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. Actually you don't even have to be willing. We have to have penalties for people that would trample on your rights etc. But when those laws trample my rights to injest anything I desire (cannabis), and in doing so I am not harming anyone. Then no.
The United States is certainly not a free country. Far far from it. It is sickening to me how bad it really is. I am all for the constitution and what it is supposed to protect. Like my religious right to commune with nature and pursue happiness.
I choose to be free daily. I just hide it from authority because even though here in Wa. I have MMJ recommendation, it is still technically illegal.
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well really ur first point here makes sense. we are in the Foucauldian sense free. because we can do what we want... you are free because you do still injest what you want. but in any government you can do what you want.

Rights are not something that come down from the sky... you grant them to yourself. I may grant myself the right to trample over others. someone may grant the right to trample over mine. but like you said... you "choose" to be free daily... i would prefer it phrased "you will to be free daily" because choice... eh, if you rewind time, then play again, youd do the same thing, because you won't have the hindsight you have when you look at the past, because your mind would rewind as well.

but yes... good points... very ubermensch.

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Originally Posted by discodood

As an Australian. I cant really comment on America. I dont really want to comment at all.


Complaining on a forum of how we arent free is B/S...remember you are free to run for Presidency / Prime Minister if you do really want to make a change.

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And complaining about people complaining on a forum of how they aren't free is what?

and why can't you comment on america... that sounds like slave morality. i will comment on your country. i think we should adopt your monetary-fine for not voting. if 100% of the people voted here, we would be "free" in the sense that we'd control the government not the corporations.

you are to free to run, only once you are too old not to care here tho. once the system has made u part of it, or destroyed your will.

i like our freedom to complain. i believe in ripple effect. I'm a sociologist. and simply typing something on a forum will effect someone somewhere else... n then they may have conversation with someone who disagrees, but someone else overhears, and understands, and it opens their eyes.

we are all just molecules bouncing off each other.

However one is always "free" if they will to be.