Quick Fix Warning

So after my friends telling me how great quick fix was and reading these forums i decided to go with that and kept smoking until my ua. I practiced, and when i went to give it everything went smoothly. The temp in the cup after i poured the quick fix was 96, pretty much perfect right? Thats what i thought. Today my boss called me and the test was inconclusive so i failed, and after working there for nine months as a temp i am now unemployed. I realize it has worked for tons of people, but be warned if you have time to quit before your ua, DO IT! Do not rely on what has worked for other people because you could end up like me, out of a job and pretty much screwed for the time being. And for anyone that says i did it wrong, i didn't. The temp was perfect and i shook it before and after the heating and before dumping it in the sample cup. If you want to risk it then quick fix might work for you, but it didnt work for me!!! I will be sending my paperwork back to the company and see if they honor their supposed guarantee and will update you guys on whether they do or not. BTW I went to an actual lab, quick fix did work for me when they just did the cup that has the strips in it, but the lab caught it and i am no longer employed, thanks quick fix!

What lab did you go to?

What paperwork do you have to send back to the company for a refund?

I don't have the paperwork yet as I found out yesterday and was not in the mood to go down there and see everyone, but when I get it I will let you guys know.

which version u had and what was the batch number?

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Originally Posted by esh147

Today my boss called me and the test was inconclusive so i failed, and after working there for nine months as a temp i am now unemployed.

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This doesn't make sense. I don't know a lot about quick fix. But how does an inconclusive test mean a failed test??

I had version 5.7, the batch is 7400832001.
And for a lab ua if they detect that it is a substitution then it is considered inconclusive, and they consider it a refusal to give a sample, thus fail.

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Originally Posted by esh147

I had version 5.7, the batch is 7400832001.
And for a lab ua if they detect that it is a substitution then it is considered inconclusive, and they consider it a refusal to give a sample, thus fail.

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Did your boss actually tell you that he believed / assumed that you had used a substitution?
Or did he only state what you described in your original post i.e., "the test was inconclusive so [you] failed."

You said you have worked for this employer for 9 months, right? So, I would think there is already a good enough relationship there that your boss would want to try to give you as much explanation as possible, right?

I just used this Quick Fix (same version and batch number) for a pre-employment screen. They accepted for temperature. otherwise, I will post as soon as I hear back about the results.
But, as much detail as you can provide for us regarding the information from your boss and reasons for your being fired would be really appreciated.

I was there as a temp for nine months. There is a good relationship there and he said as soon as I am allowed to reapply he would bring me back. But as it was a pre employment test he said his hands were tied as far as letting me take another one. And believe me if I thought there was any chance I could pee clean legitimately I would have thrown a fit and demanded a retest. He said that the lab knew it was a substitution, and therefor considered a refusal, which is exactly the same as peeing dirty.

You shouldve asked for a copy of the actual MRO report instead of settling for verbal info.

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And for a lab ua if they detect that it is a substitution then it is considered inconclusive, and they consider it a refusal to give a sample, thus fail.

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"Inconclusive" and "Substituted" are two different rulings. An inconclusive result generally means that the lab, for whatever reason, was unable to obtain a valid result, is not treated as a refusal. Substituted is a conclusive ruling, determined when the samples creatinine and specific gravity numbers are so low and/or divergent that its not consistent with normal human urine. Substituted rulings are often treated as a refusal.

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the batch is 7400832001.

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This is a bar code number, not the batch number. The batch number is an alphanumeric code printed on the instructions sheet.

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Originally Posted by esh147

BTW I went to an actual lab, quick fix did work for me when they just did the cup that has the strips in it, but the lab caught it and i am no longer employed, thanks quick fix!

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What lab did you go to which is reporting "inconclusive" as "failure" ?

and at the beginning of your story, you say you [just] tried quick fix (sounding like you just tried if for the first time based upon your firends and these postings) ?

Also, I am confused by your further story that "the lab caught it" but that the they -- (presumably a different "they") -- who just used strips did not catch it.
How many times are you saying you tested with this quick fix?

This isn't true. I just got out of the drug testing industry and my mother also does drug testing at the hospital she works at and I can tell you that the described story is not how they do things. They must follow strict guidelines.

If they think you adultered the test, then they would tell you that and fail you. If they believe you substituted (ie. they find a bottle on you or the temp is not right), they make you retest immediately while someone is in the room with you. A test that is "inconclusive" or a "No result" is considered an automatic retest due to lab error.

Either this poster is a liar for some reason or the clinic did not follow protocol.

Its beginning to sound like maybe they were just trying to find an excuse not to rehire. If temp is right, which it will say that on the copy of the paper work that you get back after turning in the sample, then you would have passed. I suppose there is always the outside possibiity that there was something wrong with yours but highly unlikely.

I agree with killerweed420, if the test really was "inconclusive", and I have never heard of an inconclusive test out of the millions of results I dealt with on a daily basis for nearly 2 years, they would let you retest. Failing a drug test is kind of a big thing because most places bar you from employment for a year, they have an MRO doctor call you to talk about when you last used the drug you tested positive for, etc. so a failed test not something they are going to just drop on you without any further explanation. THey have strict regulations they must follow with failed tests. Sounds like they were just trying to cut you out without laying you off, probably to try to get out of paying unemployment or something.

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Originally Posted by user616

I just used this Quick Fix (same version and batch number) for a pre-employment screen. They accepted for temperature. Otherwise, I will post as soon as I hear back about the results.

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Things are looking good for my success this past week with quick fix 5.7 ... (though I get it that one of these numbers is actually the bar code and not the batch number).

I am supposed to start my new job on Monday which was subject to pre-employment screening. The lab said my employer should have the UA results by today. I don't plan on inquiring further as I understand if I had failed or if there had been another problem, someone would let me know not to bother showing up for work on Monday.
But I will still let you all know more.

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Originally Posted by user616

Things are looking good for my success this past week with quick fix 5.7 ... (though I get it that one of these numbers is actually the bar code and not the batch number).

I am supposed to start my new job on Monday which was subject to pre-employment screening. The lab said my employer should have the UA results by today. I don't plan on inquiring further as I understand if I had failed or if there had been another problem, someone would let me know not to bother showing up for work on Monday.
But I will still let you all know more.

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Please do post how things turned out. As someone who is still not 100% sure as to whether or not a Pre-Screen Drug Test will be administered for his new job I'm definitely interested in seeing if Quick Fix is still a fool-proof subbing method.

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Originally Posted by phattyt007

Please do post how things turned out. As someone who is still not 100% sure as to whether or not a Pre-Screen Drug Test will be administered for his new job I'm definitely interested in seeing if Quick Fix is still a fool-proof subbing method.

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Again, if no one calls me tomorrow to revise the last instructions that I show up for work on Monday, I think it's pretty clear all is good. But, in any event, I expect to hear a final word when I meet with the human resources offices on Monday morning.
So I will post Monday when I am back home.

This forum has been awesome. I just finished college and felt so lucky to get a job. Then, I found our I needed to do pre-employment screening - a background check an ddrug screening. I had 3 weeks and I quit smoking. And I drank Total Eclipse but with only a few days to go, all my home tests were still failing for THC.
I was a mess. Then I found this forum and bought Quick Fix on friday delivered this past Monday before noon.

I couldn't agree more, User616. These forums have been a fantastic resource for me as well. I actually graduated from college right at a year ago with my Masters degree and haven't been able to find full-time work that can pay for all my bills (i.e., student loan payments, rent, etc). Luckily I have some really cool friends and family that have helped me out but. That's why my new job is so important as it pays decently and will allow me to fully support myself.

Best of luck to you!

I have the paperwork finally, and so sorry for my mistake, inconclusive was the wrong word. INVALID is what the paper work says. I have no motive for lying, believe me I wish I could tell you guys its foolproof. Verbatim the report says: Specimen is invalid due to abnormal physical characteristics: NO URIC ACID (thats a big one), no odor (smell your quick fix), no foaming and bright yellow color.
I am not trying to fuck with anyone, just want people to have good information when dealing with something as important as getting a job. Its not worth it guys, if you have time to quit do it. Quick fix failed me, and if I had read my posts I would have a job right now because its not worth risking it just to be high for 30 days.
Like I said before, I realize that quick fix has worked for a lot of people on this forum, and if you want to gamble you have decent odds to beat the system, but it is not guaranteed by any means.

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Originally Posted by user616

What lab did you go to which is reporting "inconclusive" as "failure" ?

and at the beginning of your story, you say you [just] tried quick fix (sounding like you just tried if for the first time based upon your firends and these postings) ?

Also, I am confused by your further story that "the lab caught it" but that the they -- (presumably a different "they") -- who just used strips did not catch it.
How many times are you saying you tested with this quick fix?

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You can try and discredit me as much as you want, but this is just semantics. Do you really expect me to list the name of each place that tested me? That might seem fair, but as a lot of smokers I am paranoid and don't want someone randomly reading this to put two and two together and suspect me. Its pretty plain, if you go to a lab then you might get caught as I did. If its just a simple test where you pee in a cup that already has the strips in it you are good because they aren't going to test for anything more than the drug metabolites. But in that case you might as well save some money and dilute and take some B12 because they wont know the difference anyways and the temp is guaranteed to be right.
Also I think it is pretty obvious that when i say 'they' i am inferring another entity. Why the hell would the lab test me, say im clean, then when i use the exact same system have it come back invalid?
If your job is important to you and you have the time to get clean DONT RISK IT. If you don't have time then your hands are tied anyways, and it has worked for a lot of people. One of my friends that recommended quick fix to me went to a hospital and he passed. All I am saying is that it is not 100%, and if you value your job don't risk it.
And to clarify I have used it twice. Once when it was just a cup that had the strips in it, (obviously) and once at a lab.
Sorry if I come across as being pissy, but I am! I fucking lost my job, am trying to help people not lose theirs and am being accused of lying. FUUUU!!!

Tell you guys what, you vote on who you trust the most on these forums, and if that person will give me their email address i will give them my phone number and we can talk. I am totally serious about everything i have posted here, and am doing this purely so other people don't have to go through what I did. I just want all the pot smokers to live in peace and not get screwed by the man. So if thats what it takes for people to believe me I will do it for your benefit. Tomorrow I will hook up my scanner and scan my paperwork so you guys can see it for yourselves. I believe that quick fix will work for the majority of people, but if you have time to get clean and you cant afford to lose your job then don't rely on this alone. I am sincere, and will for sure call or give my number to whoever you guys want to talk to me.

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Originally Posted by esh147

Tell you guys what, you vote on who you trust the most on these forums, and if that person will give me their email address i will give them my phone number and we can talk. I am totally serious about everything i have posted here, and am doing this purely so other people don't have to go through what I did. I just want all the pot smokers to live in peace and not get screwed by the man. So if thats what it takes for people to believe me I will do it for your benefit. Tomorrow I will hook up my scanner and scan my paperwork so you guys can see it for yourselves. I believe that quick fix will work for the majority of people, but if you have time to get clean and you cant afford to lose your job then don't rely on this alone. I am sincere, and will for sure call or give my number to whoever you guys want to talk to me.

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Definitely disconcerting...I hope some other anomaly occurred because having Quick Fix become irrelevant would be absolutely insane, and definitely not insane in a good way...

I'm not trying to scare you guys, if this is your only hope then go in and be confident and don't give anything away because it obviously has worked for other people, I'm just saying if you have time to get clean don't risk it. When I went in I was nervous, but forced myself to act natural and to talk w the lady. I joked w her and even made her laugh when I asked if I could wash up while she was writing shit down, and she said no and handed me the pen to sign, I said damn you guys must go thru a lot of pens cause I know your not handling that thing after I just pissed. Like I said, mine couldn't have gone better, and when I walked out I thought I killed it and slept like a baby because of what my friends had told me and what I had read. I wasn't afraid at all until my boss called me the next day way before I was supposed to show up (I worked graveyard so I knew it couldn't be good).

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Originally Posted by esh147

I have the paperwork finally, and so sorry for my mistake, inconclusive was the wrong word. INVALID is what the paper work says. I have no motive for lying, believe me I wish I could tell you guys its foolproof. Verbatim the report says: Specimen is invalid due to abnormal physical characteristics: NO URIC ACID (thats a big one), no odor (smell your quick fix), no foaming and bright yellow color.
I am not trying to fuck with anyone, just want people to have good information when dealing with something as important as getting a job. Its not worth it guys, if you have time to quit do it. Quick fix failed me, and if I had read my posts I would have a job right now because its not worth risking it just to be high for 30 days.
Like I said before, I realize that quick fix has worked for a lot of people on this forum, and if you want to gamble you have decent odds to beat the system, but it is not guaranteed by any means.

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My urine doesn't foam. Unless its the first sample of the morning, it doesn't smell either. If I take my multivitamin in the morning, it has a bright yellow color.

Now to go google "uric acid"

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Verbatim the report says: Specimen is invalid due to abnormal physical characteristics: NO URIC ACID (thats a big one), no odor (smell your quick fix), no foaming and bright yellow color.

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Tomorrow I will hook up my scanner and scan my paperwork so you guys can see it for yourselves.

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I, for one, will be looking forward to seeing this.

So my scanner was being a little bitch so I just took a couple pictures and uploaded those. Here you go.....
http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/...hoto/UA002.jpg
http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/...hoto/UA001.jpg

Wow that's bad. Glad I diluted... :wtf:

Would be good to get someones opinion on this like FBR or KW...

Hi all. I have been visiting this post for quite some time now as a passing visitor and am nothing less then appreciative of the information that's been posted here, specifically on subbing with Quick Fix.

Last year in August I subbed using Quick Fix 4.2 and it worked like a charm.
I am a very well endowed female and I hid the bottle under my breast.
I practiced, practiced, practiced to make sure I got it right and most obviously I did.

I'm switching jobs again and am facing yet another uncomfortable pre-employment screening with physical at a place called concentra.
I'm EXTREMELY concerned with this thread as I fully intended on subbing again with Quick Fix.

I looked over the pics that were supplied and the very first thing that stood out to me was the fact that it is listed as a 3-panel drug screen but when you look at the results it shows that it is a 5 panel. That in itself is a huge discrenpency. I have NEVER gone to a facility that on paper states it is a 3 panel but results it as a 5 panel. Seems pretty weird to me.

As I am facing my own test next week I could really use some reassurance from you long timers on the validity of this claim and the paper work submitted for our viewing purposes. Has anyone ever gone to the same place this person went to? Has anyone ever been busted at concentra? I really need some reassurance here that subbing will work again.

SMOKE ON I SAY!! :)

When I first saw this post from esh147, I really suspected s/he was trying to scare people ... but the photo of the results are problematic.
I also checked the site for this lab at Bio Med Testing
and it does look like they are on a mission (at least their own mission) to try to identify substituted synthetic urine.

At
:: Bio-Med Testing Inc :: web site says:

Adulteration/Substitutions
There appears to be an increase in adulteration products, which are commercially purchased products brought in to add to a urine sample like Urine-Aid, Urine-Luck, Turboclean, and Klear in the hopes that the donor can pass the test. Laboratories monitor specimens to show if it contains an adulterating substance or if it is a sample that is not consistent with human urine. If these are found, no drug test is conducted it is automatically considered a "refusal to test."

Wow - that is scary.

For my test from last week with quick fix, I am still thinking all went well as there is still no phone call today telling me I failed the pre-employment screening and not to show up Monday as last instructed. but I am thinking if I ever need to do this again, may be time to find someone who doesn't smoke weed (or do anything else).

But my quick fix wasn't bright yellow like the one from esh147
What's that about?

Right...the website says it's considered a "refusal to test".
With that said, one would think the paperwork would say that same verbiage, right?

another website says that some testing parameters are ph tests (which based on the below description would seem to address the issue of uric acid, though I thought from review of the quick fix synthetic urine that proper ph was present in quick fix):

see e.g.
section on Urine Specimen Validity (Adulteration)Test

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Urine Sample Adulteration Test


pH tests for the presence of acidic or alkaline adulterants in urine. Normal pH levels should be in the range of 4.0 to 9.0. Values outside of this range may indicate the sample has been altered.

I understand that you guys want to dispute the validity of my claim because if I am not lying this is a pretty big problem, and its easier to just think I am full of shit and ignore it. Its your choice, but don't say I didn't warn you. All the evidence is right there.
As to why it displays five results I wondered about that too, and have no reasonable explanation for that other than they never even really tested the stuff for metabolites, but who knows.
And if you do some reading on quick fix somewhere I read that color differs from batch to batch. Besides, mine was hardly even bright, I have definitely pissed brighter yellow taking vitamins. I'm pretty sure the woman who administered the test was some kind of nazi who enjoys catching us when she can. Bitch.
If you do use quick fix I hope it does work for you, and if it does then tell us about it, but if it doesn't, and you get similar results as mine I guarantee you will curse yourself for being stupid and not taking the safe route just because you couldn't abstain for thirty days. Thats how I feel right now, especially because thirty days is nothing really. You even save money abstaining instead of spending more buying something that may or may not work on top of buying your smoke.
But whatever guys, the only thing I ask is that you let people read this and decide for themselves. Don't post that this is a bunch of shit and mislead people into believing quick fix is foolproof, because everything I have said and shown you guys is what really happened, and if I had had this information a month ago I would still have a job.
My offer to contact or be contacted by a trusted forum reg still stands.

I would normally ask for a confirmation test but in a case like this there's nothing for them to check for. This is very odd. Only a 3 panel test, which is unusual, no uric acid? Doesn't make sense. And as far ass color,foaming and smell not really relevant. And again who is dumb enough to go around smelling someones urine? Not a medical professional for sure.
I would fight this. Call the lab and find out how they tested for uric acid. Ask why any medical professional would be smelling urine. And tell them you think that the urine sample must have been mixed up with somebody elses.
Tell us what all happened in the lab when you took your test. Did they follow procedures for chain of custody and documentation.
You may be able to get your states dept of Labor and industries to help you investigate. Just claim wrongful termination and they will check to make sure everything was done legally.

Went to there website. They do seem to be a flunky little company based in Oregon. I would really expect they have made a mistake somewhere in there handling and testing. This is another example of why drug testing should be done away with. Too unrelaible.

Do you not think it is possible that some testing companies are trying to crack down on the use of synthetic urine?

If so, why would it be inappropriate to test for that kind of substitution?

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Originally Posted by killerweed420

I would normally ask for a confirmation test but in a case like this there's nothing for them to check for. This is very odd. Only a 3 panel test, which is unusual, no uric acid? Doesn't make sense. And as far ass color,foaming and smell not really relevant. And again who is dumb enough to go around smelling someones urine? Not a medical professional for sure.
I would fight this. Call the lab and find out how they tested for uric acid. Ask why any medical professional would be smelling urine. And tell them you think that the urine sample must have been mixed up with somebody elses.
Tell us what all happened in the lab when you took your test. Did they follow procedures for chain of custody and documentation.
You may be able to get your states dept of Labor and industries to help you investigate. Just claim wrongful termination and they will check to make sure everything was done legally.

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Read the sticky about the guy who worked at a testing facility. How you decided that color, smell, and foaming aren't relevant is beyond me. Everyone knows what urine looks and smells like, so yeah anything that deviates from that is potentially relevant. Add that to the fact that there was no uric acid and it's pretty obvious really.

Yeah this is a post from lew scannon on another site. One of the true experts in the field. There is definitely something wrong with this labs protocols.
C/P
Sounds like your boss BS'd you big time. You shouldve asked for a copy of the MRO report. Never accept verbal info by itself.

For starters, color is not too much of a concern to the labs as long as its not some foreign color thats not supposed to be present in normal human urine ( ie, blue, purple, etc) . A lack of odor is not a concern since this can be exhibited in some human samples. Samples that exhibit no foam are not a concern. What raises the red flags are samples that exhibit excessive foaming when shaken.

Cortisol and uric acid is not tested in a urine sample. There are no standards established nor cutoff levels established. So how can a sample pass/fail this when there are no established cutoff levels to go by?

I'm not going to keep trying to justify their actions. What happened happened. If you are convinced its going to work then do it. I truly hope it does work for you. This post is only here so people are aware that it is not 100%. I know four people in real life who have used this and it worked for them. So if 80% is good enough for you than gamble away. But if you cannot afford to lose your job and have time to quit then just be aware that you are taking a gamble if you choose to trust quick fix.
My boss on the other hand doesn't care what I do in my free time. He already told me that he will hire me back as soon as I am eligible. We have talked about how drug testing is an unfair practice and shouldn't be done until they find a test that will tell you if the person is high right now at this moment. I get the perception that he helped them out me, but that is not how it happened in this instance.

One more link:
Erowid Drug Testing Vaults : The Basics

SAMPLE VALIDITY VERIFICATION TESTING
SAMHSA's testing protocol also requires that labs verify the 'validity' of the urine samples collected to check to make sure they are not adulterated or have been tampered with to interfere with the results. They require that the lab "(1) Determine the creatinine concentration on every specimen; (2) Determine the specific gravity on every specimen for which the creatinine concentration is less than 20 mg/dL; (3) Determine the pH on every specimen; (4) Perform one or more validity tests for oxidizing adulterants on every specimen; and (5) Perform additional validity tests when the following conditions are observed: (i) Abnormal physical characteristics; (ii) Reactions or responses characteristic of an adulterant obtained during initial or confirmatory drug tests (e.g., non-recovery of internal standards, unusual response); or (iii) Possible unidentified interfering substance or adulterant. The choice of additional validity tests is dependent on the observed indicators or characteristics as described in (i), (ii), and (iii) of this section.". Source Federal Register: April 13, 2004 (Volume 69, Number 71), Page 19659.

Another thing to consider. You got online, found and ordered this product no problem right? What makes you think the lab testing you didn't do the same thing? It's not hard to see that if they did then there is a pretty good chance they found a way to distinguish synthetics from the real stuff if they choose to put the effort in. And the argument that if there is no standard cut off level of uric acid is valid, but there was NONE in my sample (according to them).
Seriously this is starting to piss me off. I am just relating my story, and trying to help people not end up in my situation. If anything I have said time and again that quick fix might work for you, not that it is a bogus product. I am only advocating for people to abstain instead of using quick fix if that is an option for them. Again, if that is not an option then yeah, I would probably try quick fix (as long as it was a different lab).

I seriously doubt the veracity of that report altogether.

In addition to the panel discrepency pointed out by tign8r, I found other anomolies:

- The fact that there is no signature provided by both the lab scientist, nor the MRO, which is a must on all CCF forms.

- The report is stated to have been verified on 6/16/09 - 1 day after the sample has been collected. And all this after the sample has been sent off to another site for analysis. Sorry, but even if the sample was rush-couriered to another facility, and that the sample was analyzed with the most instant means of methodology available, the process would still take longer than 1 day.

- Uric acid is not tested in a urine sample. If it was, it would be clearly outlined in the criteria set by the US Deptartment Of Health & Human Services (the governing body that overlooks the operations of all labs practicing in the US), complete with cutoff thresholds established, just like it is for creatinine, pH, SG, etc. As you see in the regulations, no such criteria has been established. Therefore its highly improper for a lab to flag a sample for a lack of uric acid when there is no criteria established for uric acid.

- A lack of smell is not a sufficient cause to flag a urine sample because this condition can be had in human urine samples too. Therefore its improper for a lab to flag a urine sample due to a lack of smell present.

- A sample with a "bright yellow color" is not a sufficient cause for a red flag. Therefore its improper for a lab to reject a sample because of this condition. Samples with foreign colors to them (blue, black, purple, or any other color thats not supposed to be present in human urine) are cause for red flags.

- A lack of foaming, like a lack of odor, can be had in some human samples as well. Therefore its improper for a lab to reject a sample due to a lack of foaming. What will raise the flags is excessive foaming when the sample is shook (due to the use of some adulterants).


My decision? In total agreement with Deejay - either you are telling one big BS story, or you have been screwed over big time by the lab not following established protocols. The bad thing is this couldve happened to you even if you gave them a clean human sample. The report in no way, shape, or form proves from an evidentiary standpoint that you have used a synthetic substitute for the U/A.

If this whole story is actually true, then you need to fight this all the way to the end. As I said, this couldve happened to anyone who was truly drug-free and had submitted their own clean sample.

People have been using this product for years. I have never heard of a fail untill this post and one other. If quick fix was failing everybody on this board would let people know. So exactly 2 in the world have had this problem?