I hope they don't completely legalize.

And I'll tell you why...

Look at alcohol for example, it's true that alcohol is legal and everyone that wants to be in the alcohol business can, if they have the money for the license and certifications and all the bullshit that comes with it to allow people to sell alcohol legally.

It is extremely difficult to make alcohol and sell without a license. And the license to sell alcohol costs $35,000 and there is a 6 month waiting list, unless you have the money to by a ready made business that already has an alcohol selling license. In which case you're looking at $50K and up. So, it's pretty difficult and costly.

If they completely legalize bud, we as caregivers and dispensaries will have a tough time getting qualified and finding the necessary funds. They will, I'm sure, make cannibis cards difficult to get, just like the alcohol licenses.

I hope it stays the same as is, we are able to grow, supply and smoke without all these fees and stay legal. Especially in LA where cops don't even wanna fuck with bud, cause they got serious problems. And you can even get your bud delivered to your door, click here.:rastasmoke:

What do you think?

you have some legitimate points, there's a lot more than dollars involved, when analyzing government taxes (taxes bring with them, CONTROLS) ...

Me being a libertarian I'm against every federal legislation thet doesn't have something to do with national defense or foreign policy. So for me all these laws are clearly unconstitional at the federal level. But that doesn't mean the states couldn't take control of these matters. My personal belief is that any citizen of the US should be able to do what ever they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. Brewing your own booze and growing MJ clearly fall under this category. Nobody's goddamn business.

I think medicaldelivery has good point, but I'd like it to be at least a little bit more legal in Texas lol, the laws here are god-awful.

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And I'll tell you why...

Look at alcohol for example, it's true that alcohol is legal and everyone that wants to be in the alcohol business can, if they have the money for the license and certifications and all the bullshit that comes with it to allow people to sell alcohol legally.

It is extremely difficult to make alcohol and sell without a license. And the license to sell alcohol costs $35,000 and there is a 6 month waiting list, unless you have the money to by a ready made business that already has an alcohol selling license. In which case you're looking at $50K and up. So, it's pretty difficult and costly.

If they completely legalize bud, we as caregivers and dispensaries will have a tough time getting qualified and finding the necessary funds. They will, I'm sure, make cannibis cards difficult to get, just like the alcohol licenses.

I hope it stays the same as is, we are able to grow, supply and smoke without all these fees and stay legal. Especially in LA where cops don't even wanna fuck with bud, cause they got serious problems. And you can even get your bud delivered to your door, click here.:rastasmoke:

What do you think?

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I will bet you $1.00 that medical regulation is going to be completely separate and different than retail marijuana sale..There would be outrage if they made it any more difficult than it already is to obtain pot or ID cards for medical purpose..

I think that maybe laws are slow to develop because the government hasn't devised the optimal plan for taxation and regulation. I would suppose that if theyre gonna do it, they want as much cash as they can get from it.

From what I've read, the bill in the CA state assembly does allow medical exceptions. I, however, would like to see marijuana regulated under a similar regime as alcohol. Commercial producers and retailers would have to be liscensed. This liscense should be difficult to obtain and easy to lose. Much like home-brewers and wine makers, there would be a legal limit on home production.

I can actually imagine a marijuana industry operating more like the wine industry with a huge number of "brands" available.

For medical needs, the separate caregiver system would remain in place.

i can see that, and i can see how the regulation might help quality and stuff. i was thinking though, that they may regulate potency as well. what do you think?

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i can see that, and i can see how the regulation might help quality and stuff. i was thinking though, that they may regulate potency as well. what do you think?

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Maybe something along the lines as different levels of taxation based on the beer, wine and liquor model.

Vast plots of land more the production of schwag for pre-rolled J's would be taxed like beer.

Bud grown for the connoisseur would taxed like wine.

Hash and extracts are taxed like liquor.

That would make sense. Thanks for that. How much higher of a tax do you think they would put on it? Percentage-wise i suppose, because the "sin" tax on that I have no doubt would be much greater than alcohol.

After legalization, I would hope that we bring back, and put a tariff on, the great imported varieties of weed and hash.

Imports would be much cheaper, but for those that still want to grow their own, or buy domestically grown stuff, that's fine also.

^ yea smoke crazy shit from all over the world!

I saw legalize it because the taxes from it would be outstanding. But also let the people that have dispensaries keep them and only pay a small fee to turn it into a shop.

If you have your own growing then just keep it under wraps.

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And I'll tell you why...

Look at alcohol for example, it's true that alcohol is legal and everyone that wants to be in the alcohol business can, if they have the money for the license and certifications and all the bullshit that comes with it to allow people to sell alcohol legally.

It is extremely difficult to make alcohol and sell without a license. And the license to sell alcohol costs $35,000 and there is a 6 month waiting list, unless you have the money to by a ready made business that already has an alcohol selling license. In which case you're looking at $50K and up. So, it's pretty difficult and costly.

If they completely legalize bud, we as caregivers and dispensaries will have a tough time getting qualified and finding the necessary funds. They will, I'm sure, make cannibis cards difficult to get, just like the alcohol licenses.

I hope it stays the same as is, we are able to grow, supply and smoke without all these fees and stay legal. Especially in LA where cops don't even wanna fuck with bud, cause they got serious problems. And you can even get your bud delivered to your door, click here.:rastasmoke:

What do you think?

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thank you, I knew there had to be someone out there in California who felt this way. Very valid points, imo. I moved out of L.A. the year before 215 (oops :stoned:) but I've wondered how things are now. Having quality bud delivered has just got to be the best thing ever. :cool:

215 seems to be working out fairly well for the consumer, why f it up, eh?

"AB 390 would charge cannabis wholesalers $5,000 initially and $2,500 annually for the right to distribute weed. Retail outlets would pay fees of $50 per ounce of cannabis to generate revenue for drug education programs statewide."

^ this does seem to put all the costs on the backs of the dispensaries. the theory is the price would drop below the added costs of the taxes but I'm not sure how that would work. are the growers and dispensaries really gaining any value for this cost? The feds could still bust them, maybe even more so.

I think I like Jack Herer's proposed inititive better. It only taxes cannabis euphoric products and not medical products and at a lower rate. Plus this initiatives provides the added bonus of shredding all cannabis related criminal records and legalization of hemp.

1. License concessionary establishments to distribute cannabis hemp euphoric products in a manner analogous to California's wine industry model. Sufficient community outlets shall be licensed to provide reasonable commercial access to persons of legal age, so as to discourage and prevent the misuse of, and illicit traffic in, such products. Any license or permit fee required by the State for commercial production, distribution or use shall not exceed $1,000.00.


2. Place an excise tax on commercial sale of cannabis hemp euphoric products, analogous to California's wine industry model, so long as no excise tax or combination of excise taxes shall exceed $10.00 per ounce.

What not just tax cannabis farmers like we tax any other kind of farmer?

Medicaldelivery. What do you pay for a license now? Somehow, I just flashed on a "Domino's Pizza" type of service for 30 min or less or free cannabis! lol...
Prescriptions were delivered at one time and some Pharmacies still deliver. Is it going to be treated like liquor, milk, pizza, gas or bic lighters? The million dollar question. Can you take it across U.S. Customs? Will the borders open up? This has far reaching tenacles! I see as mostly beneficial to the economic and eco systems in America and abroad!

If you pay 35K for a license, is that safe to stay out of jail and lose everything?? I think so!! Who is making the bucks right now?? $30. plus or minus for a gram? You get legal store fronts and business increase's. You will sell more products, not just cannabis. Clones, candy, paraphanellia and growing equipment. This may be a golden opportunity for the businessman! Perhaps, even take over the empty Circuit City stores and start growing right where you are selling? You'll figure a way to pay for the license and turn a big profit. Even if you have to do like Wal-Mart and farm it in China with Chinese workers at $2.00 a day! So, where is the problem? Prepare now.

A liquor license: 35K or buy a used one or pay a minimal fee for Liquor lottory way of getting the license-you forgot to mention that,which is how most individuals get their liquor license-no shortcuts for the poor man?

The dispensaries and Co's will be the new automobile factory for Calif. We are letting criminals out for drug crimes already. We will have fewer prisoners, etc. Legalization would solve a lot of problems. But, we need hemp farmers and put it to use for fuel, clothing, etc.

This ought to be FEDERALLY DECRIMINALIZED AND LEGALIZED! No homegrown restrictions! Compassionate not for profit clubs for patients. We will be happier as a whole nation with lots of sativa and be too happy to complain about our taxes and poorer living situations.

The farmer, grower, patient and consumer will get fucked! Because the businessman has to turn a profit or close and Calif needs its' budget balanced, they will help you, just like the crooks on Wall Street. Now, I am not saying you are crooks-so do not assume that. We know there is a profit. You may not drive a Rolls, but you will have a job and make a decent legal living and not a killing! Or live in fear of jail!!

Nationally-it could solve our eco system and so many things! It won't solve everything. We'll always have problems. They won't seem so devastating with a more mean people on cannabis- U.S.A. Regardless, there are many that will not touch it. I don't drink , smoke or even drink soda pop! I use cannabis as a medication and when I need it. Rarely for pleasure! However, the days of bonding in a circle with a lighter and bong may be things from the 'olden days!' I'll miss that! It isn't like you invite a bunch of people over and pass around a bar of gold and saw for everyone to take a piece. Cannabis will create different problems and hemp for fuel, clothing, etc. would employ more and solve a lot of problems!

Prop 215/420 are still screwed up. You really think they can get this correct!

Face it, this is a divided nation. The election may have been clear and concise, but certainly no landslide! It has to be National. People in CA will be paying more taxes if they pay for it on cannabis and no other state is, or people cannot get it legally! Civil rights for all and now! PR

What do I think, cute little advertisement: Free Medical marijuana to your door, pay for delivery. However, it costs a few hundred more to deliver an ounce than an eigth! that ain't free or even good math or business! Open your eyes, you have much more potential for making money if it is legalized, decriminalized and hemp can be grown.

People won't have to hide and grow, face it there is a generation of lazy people out there that prefer to purchase ready made everything instead of a little eyebrow sweat!
Others dying to grow. Both doing without right now!

You will sell more than you could possibly dream and a larger line of product and even supply a farmer or two! Breathe better air, etc! There is a bigger picture, I think! 2 cents! good thread

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Maybe something along the lines as different levels of taxation based on the beer, wine and liquor model.

Vast plots of land more the production of schwag for pre-rolled J's would be taxed like beer.

Bud grown for the connoisseur would taxed like wine.

Hash and extracts are taxed like liquor.

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you are on the right track... weed needs to be legalized with the same laws, regulations, restrictions, and taxes as alcohol..... including minimum age restrictions. The alcohol laws also allow individuals to brew, ferment, distill small amounts for personal use. How kewl would it be to be able to go down to the liquer store, tobacconist,(or weed store) and buy a pack of joints for $20. The quality of the different brands could range from shake from schwag to premium bud like NCDG or Ultra Haze.....priced accordingly like cigars.

Nahhh.....never happen, there is too much money to be made in taxes from it, and the bulls wouldn't have anything to do.

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And I'll tell you why...

Look at alcohol for example, it's true that alcohol is legal and everyone that wants to be in the alcohol business can, if they have the money for the license and certifications and all the bullshit that comes with it to allow people to sell alcohol legally.

It is extremely difficult to make alcohol and sell without a license. And the license to sell alcohol costs $35,000 and there is a 6 month waiting list, unless you have the money to by a ready made business that already has an alcohol selling license. In which case you're looking at $50K and up. So, it's pretty difficult and costly.

If they completely legalize bud, we as caregivers and dispensaries will have a tough time getting qualified and finding the necessary funds. They will, I'm sure, make cannibis cards difficult to get, just like the alcohol licenses.

I hope it stays the same as is, we are able to grow, supply and smoke without all these fees and stay legal. Especially in LA where cops don't even wanna fuck with bud, cause they got serious problems. And you can even get your bud delivered to your door, click here.:rastasmoke:

What do you think?

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You are greedy Sir and just want all the money for yourself.

If you think you are safe in what you do and take advantage of people that need meds you are in the same bed as the huge Pharmacudical companies.

If you think you are safe, Think again.

Do me a favour and call the fed's to come inspect your operation. Local laws are one thing but I bet you are afraid of the fed's. YES ?

Yes please call the feds and the locals and see if the locals will stand up against the FED's for you. We know what the out come will be.

Meds or recreational. Both are a Constitutional right of freedom and laws must change for everyone. The people must cry out like the likes of GOD has never seen for this to changed.

Ignorance never fails to amaze me.

After Loc Nar, I have to put my two cents in as well. I would love to see it legalized, regulated and taxed. And medical, you are just greedy. There wasn't a single word in your post about people's needs or rights.....every single sentence talks about money and mostly about money you want to be yours.

I won't say you're the kind of folks that give mmj a bad name........but you sure don't help our cause any either.

Eff this in the A. Medical is a greedy bitch. What's that Medical? Chasing the "American Dream"?

Yes it's all about you...never mind the millions of potential patients that don't live in LA.

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That would make sense. Thanks for that. How much higher of a tax do you think they would put on it? Percentage-wise i suppose, because the "sin" tax on that I have no doubt would be much greater than alcohol.

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I am sure the tax will be different-state to state! Like the Bible Belt's extra tax's for sin.

Here in CA we have voted on increasing our gas taxes for the eco system and still pay it--dah, the eco system is now a national effort and we taxed ourselves to hell and back. Every so many years we tack on a dime or, as per the propositiona we passed (sorry folks, I did not vote for that one-due to the far reaching years of added taxes and unknown prices-like now). It was right after we voted it in that gas doubled here and hasn't been below around $1.65 since (and then, that price hasn't been around in 5 yrs).

When we vote, we need to really understand what we vote for. So, when it is a National Freedom, be careful what you vote for when it comes to taxes.

The projected nat'l breakdown of taxes would be interesting. Right now, the bill in Calif, as stated has a proposed tax of $50. per ounce!

I like Hedgehog, as we know our Milk, Cigs, pizza, can of beans and alcohol/wine are taxed differently. In fact, we do pay tax on milk at the grocery store (have for over 40 years or more to my knowledge). Cigs are taxed too much--particularly since it doesn't go into a fund to help the people that are unfortunate to get cancer later.

We must remember, our taxes are going up, in every form. If they legalized and decriminalized, Federally-I'd see it as a shot in the arm for the economy. Plus, I'd like to put all politicians on a great Sativa or at the very least NCDG (some Indica)! Why a great sativa without Indica--I know that a sativa actually stirs up long muscle pain! That is a fact. I've discussed it with a few people with types of pain (would be a new thread) that a strict sativa will make you hurt, if you have injuries! It hurt enough to make me quit for a long time, until I came here and found Indica! :jointsmile:

Sativa to D.C!!!

Maybe instead of mailing letters we should be sending an annoymous eigth to our representatives! Then call DEA on um for having it!:jointsmile:

Legalization Nationally is only common sense.

I am sure Medicaldelivery is busy opeining a few more disp. today, since D.C. Attn: Gen. announced they will leave medical dispensaries alone now--NO MORE DEA BUSTS FOR LEGIT BUSINESS'S!!! But, the LAPD declares, the local laws remain the same, break the restrictions and they will get you! PR :hippy::rastasmoke::jointsmile:

Weedhound: I'm with you. With a better image, and responsible advocates interested in promoting the medical benefits of cannabis instead of their own self-serving interests...medical cannabis can be a reality. Witout this image, we will all be looked down upon as the prepeptual Cheech and Chong crowd.

But if cannabis is ever listed by the feds as a dispensable drug...likely you can kiss legalization goodbye. Name one other drug that's listed by the feds as a prescription drug (controlled substance) and is also legal to use recreationally. The feds are kinda funny that way. But I'm cool with that too, as I grow some killer meds, and so can you, lol.

When it is legalized....the big $$$ corporations will exploit weed and go into full warehouse production.......imagine a 5 acre warehouse fully set up for weed cultivation.

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When it is legalized....the big $$$ corporations will exploit weed and go into full warehouse production.......imagine a 5 acre warehouse fully set up for weed cultivation.

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Thats no biggie... I have a cousin with 5 acres of climate controlled greenhouses for breeding orchids. That could be used for an enormous crop. :D

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When it is legalized....the big $$$ corporations will exploit weed and go into full warehouse production.......imagine a 5 acre warehouse fully set up for weed cultivation.

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supposedly, they already beat us to it ... story went around, back in the early 70's, that Kentucky tobacco companies copyrighted the popular pot names (Acapulco Gold, Panama Red, etc., etc.), in case pot ever got legal, they'd already have their foot in the door ... dunno how true it was :smokin:

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supposedly, they already beat us to it ... story went around, back in the early 70's, that Kentucky tobacco companies copyrighted the popular pot names (Acapulco Gold, Panama Red, etc., etc.), in case pot ever got legal, they'd already have their foot in the door ... dunno how true it was :smokin:

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1 pack of Panama Red lites please...:thumbsup:

I would love to walk in a store, show ID for age, and buy some joints. However, I don't think MJ will ever be legalized in our lifetime. Best case scenario is that it's legalized for medicinal use only across the USA. Either way, it's just a plant and people will grow it, legal or not.:thumbsup::hippy:

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Once you are growing it legally, it slowly becomes more of a chore. But I'm sure I could wrap my head around a warehouse of organic soil hybrids, with charity auction Tuesdays and Primo Fridays, with end-of-bud clearance sales. (cured nugget grab-bags)

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Once you are growing it legally, it slowly becomes more of a chore. But I'm sure I could wrap my head around a warehouse of organic soil hybrids, with charity auction Tuesdays and Primo Fridays, with end-of-bud clearance sales. (cured nugget grab-bags)

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:joint1::joint1::bonghit::vap_rasta: for a charity like wine and cheese fund raising events for the local little league! lol! PR

I/R the minute it is legalized the tobacco companies are already in a good place to take over??? Not surprising. Sad to see all those old familiar names to the wayside. Imagine looking at pot like picking out which kind of Dorito to eat! pr:jointsmile:

Using micro breweries as a business model, I would almost immediatelly open a couple of Bud Boutiques. (after borrowing shitloads of cash, on an unsecured loan, from the oh-so-generous Obama administration) Rebudlican Central Commodities, The Sativa Shack, and Indica Junction, Starbuds. (three or four seperate shops)
An eclectic mix of hempwear, potions, powders and teas, set in a quiet and comfortable atmosphere of fascist-liberal bashing and insider commodities trading. Since it's my business, I plan on catering to the folks I'm comfortable with, lol.

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supposedly, they already beat us to it ... story went around, back in the early 70's, that Kentucky tobacco companies copyrighted the popular pot names (Acapulco Gold, Panama Red, etc., etc.), in case pot ever got legal, they'd already have their foot in the door ... dunno how true it was :smokin:

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Quite true... I got a family member that works for philip morris that said they even have the pack designs n shit for marlboro golds...lol the lil ribbon with horses on the front of marb packs is replaced by a green leaf and gold trim....

and my 2cents.... CLEARLY those of us that intend to get into the business end of this, whether medical or recreational NEED profits to turn a business. I do not intend to rob anyone by any means. And there will be assistance for less fortunate patients to still be able to get meds, regardless of money. I DO intend to make money, dont get it twisted. BUT...... my intentions into going into this is to make it available at REASONABLE prices. I have a few close friends now who I have been GIVING mj too for years now. My neighbor has MS, and has been dealing with it her whole 49 years. I have NEVER charged her a dime for mj. Other hand....my buddy has a buddy or whatever that wants some killer. not the schwaggy crippy floating around...but good shit. HE will pay 120 for a Q. Call me greedy, go ahead. But helping people for free only works if you have miraculous donations of mad loot, and are already hiding a pirate ship fulla gold...
Medical needs and recreational WANTS are 2 TOTALLY different things in MHO.
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Using micro breweries as a business model, I would almost immediatelly open a couple of Bud Boutiques. (after borrowing shitloads of cash, on an unsecured loan, from the oh-so-generous Obama administration) Rebudlican Central Commodities, The Sativa Shack, and Indica Junction, Starbuds. (three or four seperate shops)
An eclectic mix of hempwear, potions, powders and teas, set in a quiet and comfortable atmosphere of fascist-liberal bashing and insider commodities trading. Since it's my business, I plan on catering to the folks I'm comfortable with, lol.

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sounds good, but watch and see, it won't be long before 'BudMart' comes into town, and runs the local 'mom-and-pop' businesses into the ground :S2:

I have no doubt that with the current administrations stance on protectionism and the financial ideology of tax and spend...import tariffs would equalize the field a tad. Regardless...you can't beat the local farmers market for freshness and quality.

Would it be a stretch labeling the crop as "free-range", so we could charge more?

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sounds good, but watch and see, it won't be long before 'BudMart' comes into town, and runs the local 'mom-and-pop' businesses into the ground :S2:

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I don't think that weed will be legalized until the elected officials *SEE* the massive tax revenues that are possible. California collected over $10,000,000 in taxes from legal dispenseries.... How much more could be made were it possible to walk into a tobacconist shop and buy a pack of joints, or a bag of bud.

You do make some good arguments, but the fact is people go to prisown for maijuana and their lives suffer for it. Their families lose dads and moms. It has to be legalized because we all know the government has no legitamite reason to keep cannasbis illegal. Their is so many guerillas and average people who cultivate marijuana it could never be totally controlled by governemnt no matter what its legal status. They would have more control, but at least we could tax to help the over all welfare of the country. We wouldn't be looked at like the outcasts of society for simply using an herb that's been around since the beggining of time. We need to stop the oppression of our rights and be able to use marijuana as responsible citizens and not be seen as criminals because we are not criminals we are free thinkers we do what we believe is right even when the mass majority of the people see it as a negative! :rastasmoke:

let me be the first to intoduce you to Hemp Ceral.......:D:D:hippy: http://www.ask.com/bar?q=natures+pat...mp-cereal.html

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Organic rolled oats, organic evaporated cane juice, organic expeller-pressed canola oil and / or organic soybean oil, organic brown rice flour, organic flaxseeds, hemp seed, organic oat syrup solids, sea salt, organic molasses, rice bran extract.

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the seeds http://www.ask.com/bar?q=natures+pat...mp-cereal.html

The appeasers compromising are desparate or greedy traitors,
I wouldn't trust as far as I could spit...

You can't tax vegetables.

I've been getting Nutiva shelled seeds almost a year or so but they aren't keeping up with inventory. Usually the local grocers say they order but Nutiva haven't shipped. I went to Living Harvest oil.

Because Nutiva cannot legally grow hemp in the United States, we must reply on Canadian farmers to produce our hemp crops. Shortages of organic seeds often occur due to weather or because surging sales outstrip supply.
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Editorial As We See It: Should Pot Be Legalized?
CN Source: Santa Cruz Sentinel February 25, 2009 Santa Cruz, CA
We don't think we'd be accused of "smoking weed" to venture that Santa Cruz would solidly be in favor of the state of California legalizing marijuana.

Pot Proposals: Calif. Sees Tax , N.J. Eyes MMJ
Legalizing and taxing California's supposedly biggest cash crop - pot - could add more than $1 billion a year to California's coffers, according to backers of a proposal put forward yesterday in Sacramento.

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Legalize? Oh my. I do this to relieve stress of hospice work.
Secretly, I just like bashing Fascists.
I don't recognize any law saying Ganja is illegal.
How would they bust the inventor?

Its not illegal. Its a plant. Laws based on lies are not legal. No one wants it legal. Except those without connections. Those believing in the system. Those vulnerable to illness grasping for anything making them feel better or cheaper, without going to jail. Which is very unlikely unless you're selling it or growing it in public housing. Or getting too much favorable press. The bad laws need to be removed if integrity is going survive. Notoriety usually only leads to one of the tools of Fascism. Degrade, stigmatize, demonize. Neo-Liberals are good at shunning and ridicule. Raising their eyebrows writing Patriot Ax' behind closed doors. While Neo-cons rant and rage for the kids sake as they spray poisons on eradicating ditchweed. Or send them to wars for oil replaced by cellulose in hemp stalks. Neo-cons have no worry in enacting Neo-libs laws. Just harder for them to write them do to their reputation as Fascists. Neo-libs are Fascist too. Klintoon busted more than Nexxon, Rayguns and Boosh combined.

There has never been a realistic thought of zero tolerance, no money in that. The government corporation takes in more tax with you in prison than working at Micky D. No shortage of jobless to fill your spot. Can't afford anymore educated, outside of the lineage. Higher Education Ax keeps undesirables in the labor pool for life. No Pell grants. Banning foodstamps only leaves stealing for the hungry. More profits and return taxes in an overcrowded cage than from someone who can't even feed themselves or their families. No job since the owner found India and Waldomart Chinese sweatshops. Not concerned about those kids. Anti choice rednecks aborting more babies with Cliarence Thomas Monsanto poisons from crop dusters on cotton crops not used on Hemp. Same chemical companies adulterations added to cigarettes not added to Ganja. Doesn't matter to the Oblamos feeding a bigger tobacco prohibition.

Or naturally the drug worriers who seldom if ever enter reality. Kids given drugs by guidance councilors far more damaging to health, far less trouble than a pesky authority questioner. Homeless deterrents from whistle-blowing. Oil dollars and monopolies. Driving off competition any way they please. Electric trollies replaced with fossil fools or homegrown burlap on supposedly sovereign Indian territories banned, as they do US family farmers. Or Mexicans crossing the border for migrant labor could be growing a staple to feed, shelter and clothe themselves. Corporatism fascism socialism nationalism jerking plastic flags sending kids off to a lie to come back wounded or traumatized then caged for growing a remedy for what the government denies as an illness and a remedy. The TV is "programmed", the 6 o'clock news gives enough angst to stoke the fears to re-consider telling the bossman to shove it.

Ganja is outlawed because it has no infrastructure. Its a plant, grows in most dirt. Lot of work in the combat zones of prohibition. Booze lasted until the Rockefellers, Carnegie and Mellons discovered how much they were losing in not selling materials for the booze infrastructure. Vats tanks pipelines trucks bottles caps and kegs. Steel, Oil and Banksters needed an alternative to prohibit. Then the rhetoric reefer mad bogus headlines. Every decade tweaking the details. Violence to Mellow, makes you dumb and immoral. Leads to hard drugs even before they are invented. Its illegal cause its green. They hate vegetables. Its illegal in their minds. The cages are real because the sheople are cowards. So if you want reality you're in the wrong building.

And since I don't think this is rock surgery, I have to believe that the powers that be know too. Or if they don't someone should remove the bullets and hide the nuke button. They need believing people and people want to believe. Censorship in school books removing the word hemp is a red flag. Removed by slot machine Bennett/Education Secretary/Drug Czar is also a red flag. So if Rx Ganja isn't recognized and isn't taught or permitted as a defense in court. Then there is no justice, just an agenda. And "educated" idiots not taught but getting high grades in Bullshit, now are "professionals" influencing the media and perpetuating confusion maintaining the dysfunctional Ganjawar.

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I have found as a home health aid spreading Ganja medicine and info 20 years, I have to get in the doctors faces and even the most strict defenders of the status quo give in to the family when the Pharmaids run out. It all starts with the patient and sometimes families will side with the cops and others learning from DARE pamphlets. Al Gores sister choose to go without Ganja for political reasons. Nurses seem more accepting. Foreign students and younger nurses seem more likely to go along with the reefer mad authority and primitive treatment, even torture denying patients Ganja. Doing no harm falls behind doing nothing to jeopardize the reputation or job. To believe hemp is a lie to legalize pot for the cartels when it is sold on the net should end the war and have the Bizczars DEAth Merchants in straight jackets.

The internet has educated many thousands, maybe even millions out of 6 billion people. Stoners out doing most groups on the net but it only reaches a small portion of the planet and even the country. Under 10%. We have 12 million hungry and 2.4 million prisoners no one hears about or are taught in school. The USS Constitution Jack writes about with 65 tons of hemp has been refurbished with plastic sails and rigging. The message thing again. Plus cost savings. I wonder if the Smithsonian is replacing the drafts of the Constitution and Declaration with Kinko copies.

If you're waiting for a bozo politician to fix the system before toking, you won't be toking. Lies aren't in the physical world and as long as you try to fix what isn't real, you will spin your wheels another 65 years. Its not only Ganja. Its food, fuel and building products. You buy these products keeping them in business keeping competition out via prohibition. Don't buy their products and when they see we have an impact they will change. But Ganja is also like area 51 or whatever. The red herring is UFO's but something is going down.

Ganja since the Scythians, has a property making it uncomfortable to do things drug worriers do. Snitching out of duty or treating people in a degrading fashion or lying as a means to an end that wouldn't hold up under truth and realism. Herd mentalities. Non questioning entities required to keep the rusty machine running. Ganja causing things to be unsettling, leads people to question. Then when questions are dismissed it leads to revolution. Same reason kids in school shouldn't smoke outside of medical reasons. Questioning ciriculum gets you ritalin or bad grades and blue collars. Abstain or home school until you can afford an Ivory tower like the rock stars not getting involved. The forefathers or Pancho Villa Hippies or Beatniks or Protest-ants all associated with Ganja. The enlightenment period. Archeology discovered traces of hashish in the ancient temple incenses. Did Jesus inhale? Pope says put them in cages. Conserving compassion for something better. Well it must be 4:20 somewhere fardup!

The Drug Czar is required by law to lie

"Having reviewed all the material available to us we find ourselves in agreement with the conclusion reached by the Indian Hemp Drugs Commission appointed by the Government of India (1893-94) and the New York Mayor's Committee (1944 - LaGuardia)that the long-term consumption of cannabis in moderate doses has no harmful effects" "the long-asserted dangers of cannabis are exaggerated and that the related law is socially damaging, if not unworkable"
- 1968 UK ROYAL COMMISSION, THE WOOTTON REPORT

The Assassins of Youth: FRCn PDFA/DARE

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The Lies Consequences

Boycott Kelloggs and the Olympalumpas

Today Kellogg is trading at $39.52.
Down 12% since dropping Michael Phelps.

Boycott Klogog's

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Britain faces summer of rage - police

In the UK, police are preparing for a "summer of rage" as victims of the economic downturn take to the streets to demonstrate against financial institutions.Britain's most senior police officer raised the spectre of a return of the riots of the 1980s, with people who have lost their jobs, homes or savings becoming "footsoldiers" in a wave of potentially violent mass protests.

Urban Warfare Drills Linked To Coming Economic Rage

Cannabis Helps Keep Fans Calm

Fans Too Relaxed for Fights

Cannabis Helps Keep Fans Calm
Police also claimed that the availability of cannabis in the Netherlands probably helped to defuse any violence. Scores of ticketless England fans gathered in coffee shops in Eindhoven, where cannabis is sold and smoked, to watch the game, greeting the defeat with mild disappointment and unusually, gentle applause. "It (cannabis) may have helped relax them," Mr Beelan added. "Even the hooligans enjoyed the party - and they told our officers. There were lots of things for fans to do and everybody had a good time."

Basketball Riots in L.A., Soccer Thugs in Europe

Euro 2000 Soccer Violence Could Vanish in a Puff

"There's been this growing trend of alcohol-related air rage, episodes of drunken passengers creating in-flight disturbances. The studies I've seen say that alcohol . . . contributes to violent and aggressive behavior. The simple thing is to let people make the safer choice to use marijuana, which doesn't contribute to violent behavior."
-- Mason Tvert

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Amy Goodman's Weekly Column
"Jailing Kids for Cash"

As many as 5,000 children in Pennsylvania have been found guilty, and up to 2,000 of them jailed, by two corrupt judges who received kickbacks from the builders and owners of private prison facilities that benefited. The two judges pleaded guilty in a stunning case of greed and corruption that is still unfolding. Judges Mark A. Ciavarella Jr. and Michael T. Conahan received $2.6 million in kickbacks while imprisoning children who often had no access to a lawyer. The case offers an extraordinary glimpse into the shameful private prison industry that is flourishing in the United States.

Judges Caging Kids for Cash & Rehabmolestations
Alberta drug rehab centre abused us
NDP calling for youth centre investigation

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Judges Mark A. Ciavarella Jr. and Michael T. Conahan

Arizona Sheriff Faces Civil Rights Probe, Allegations of Undermining Law Enforcement with Controversial Focus on Immigration

Renegade Cops & Ganja Props

'Insane' Sheriff... with a Tank

'Relax Your Muscles as Much as Possible'

The US Gulag Prison System...

A Lie College Students Might Want To Tell

Jailing Kids for Cash
By Amy Goodman, Truthdig.com

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US Military Suicides at Record High; Report Finds
Most Deaths at Single Colorado Base Were Preventable

Many Veterans are the Enemy of the D.E.A.th War

300000 Iraq & Afghan Vets Suffer PTSD & Depression

Israel To Soothe Trauma With Ganja
Pot Shots for Israeli Soldiers
Marijuana Eases Traumatic Memories
Pot Blocks Painful Memories, Study Says
Cannabis, the Importance of Forgetting by Michael Pollan
Pot-Like Chemical Helps Beat Fear
Drugwar Lies Linked to Schizophrenia
'Cannabis' Acts as Antidepressant

Wall Street's Chemical Warfare

Nixon lied and soldiers suffer for it.

Ganja 4 PTSD & Depression

Treatment for PTSD Should Include Cannabis

"I am a Vietnam Vet whose life has been devastated by PTSD. I applied for compensation 3years ago but the VA assumes an adverserial role and tells me I have to prove my stressors. The key people for me are probably dead by now. How is this fair?"
Vietnam Vet

"Our returning vets are not getting the care they deserve. Dr's are told not to diagnose PTSD b/c it's too expensive. What will you do to ensure these heros get EVERYTHING they deserve to return to a productive life after they've sacrificed so much?"
DrJay61, Arlington, TX

"What will the Obama administration do for those who are homeless and need mental treatment to fully be in a constructive society? PTSD, schizophrenia, depression, ect."
David, Boise, ID

"I have sent this information in the past but now will re-phrase as a question. What is being done to prepare for all of the military PTSD needs? I am a trauma specialist and VietNam veteran who is willing and available to help."
m2, dallas

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I haven't read that much, since they caught the Unibomber :wtf: