They found 2 ounces, 3 8ths, 2 immature plants,scales and texts on my phone. My 1st offence, any idea what will happen to me?
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They found 2 ounces, 3 8ths, 2 immature plants,scales and texts on my phone. My 1st offence, any idea what will happen to me?
No idea.
Why did they raid you in the first place?
donno UK laws
but if u had them packed in baggies, precisely weighed for sale (Gr, 8th, etc) and had scales, they will probably charge u with something like distribution or intent to deliver, something along those lines... at least thats what would probably happen to u if u were in US
hope u get thru this without much of problem tho, sorry to hear another stoner busted
You'll get possession with intent to distribute, you'll probably get jail time, but English jails are kinda kushy, tv's radios, pool tables, in some, no need to join a racist gang. That sucks man, dunno what else to say, hope you get off lightly but they hate drug dealers.
Man weed isnt a DRUG. Thats so f@$%ed up
Possession with intent to supply, they have to prove that you intended to supply and having scales is that proof.
not necessarily, it also depends on amount of weed and other material like baggies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenthing
here in the states I know of a former friend who was a dealer, got caught with like 10 grs of his remaining oz for sale, along with only 1 scale and no baggies
his defense proved to work against the delivery/distribute/supply charge:
"I need the scale to prevent dealers from ripping me off as a mere smoker, its a false assumption that I used it to sell marijuana" but he was lucky it was the last of his stash and he didnt have any baggies on him, so he only got charged with a possession, plus he had a tough lawyer who didnt even let him serve the time he would have served had he chosen any other lawyers
however, in this case we are talking about weed in excess of 2 oz which totally exceeds personal consumption amounts by any means in the eyes of law
Hi flyingimam, It can depend on where you live in England the more rural the area the harsher the police will deal with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingimam
Just having scales can be enough to convict you.
There are many excuses for possessing scales but the courts have heard them all, if they want to make an example of someone to deter the use of drugs they will, no doubt about it.
Two Oz is quite a lot to plead personal use, but some do get a lenient sentence the case can go either way.
That really sucks, get the best laywer you can afford. GOOD LUCK!
i was just pointing it out, police will always put as much weight as they can when charging people everywhere in the world, im sure not familiar with UK, but I'm quite certain a good lawyer will not let his client to be made an example of for others, no matter the locality. Courts are courts and operate by certain rules and a good lawyer can always take advantage of those rules, however as i said im no expert on UK laws at all and as u mentioned this is not by any means an amount thats considered personalQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenthing
it mostly comes down to defense team/lawyer, that was my main point along with a real life example
courts hear many repeated things, it just matters how the defense presents the argument, weak defense and it will not fly, strong defense with a good backup and argument and it may do the job.
nowhere in the modern world police are the ones to convict citizens to the best of my knowledge, they can at best make a case and charge someone
The worst thing is, ive just been accepted at a new job, in AMSTERDAM!! Well Apeldoorn to be exsact. Hopefully I can use the fresh start new career excuse an get let off with a hefty fine. A lot of people have told me I won't go to prison but a few people say maybe.
i dowt u wud get jail time .. i no a geezer that got cort with half a bar and only got 200 quid fine and 48 hours community service
Is it your first offence or have you been busted before, if it is your first offence get a lawyer that has a good rep with drug cases and you should be ok, anyway good luck to you.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CheeseBlazer
No problems flyingimam, it is up to the police to press charges in the uk.Quote:
=flyingimam;1937255]i was just pointing it out, police will always put as much weight as they can when charging people everywhere in the world, im sure not familiar with UK,
That is correct, what i should have said in my previous post was the police press charges but the Crown prosecutor decides if they have a case before it goes to court.Quote:
nowhere in the modern world police are the ones to convict citizens to the best of my knowledge, they can at best make a case and charge someone
Sorry for any confusion.
Depending on how severe the case is it can be heard in a Magistrate court or the Crown court.
It's my 1st drug offence. I have a couple of drivin offences, only speedin. It is going to Crown Court.
why was your home raided in the first place?
suspision of supplying a class C drug.
Wow if that happend to me in america i wouldn't have the opputrunity to go on the internet and ask for advice lol
:S2: truQuote:
Originally Posted by Algag
Driving offences are petty they wont even come into it, as its your first offence I reckon you will be ok if you have a good lawyer.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by CheeseBlazer
get yourself a lawyer and try to get the intent to supply droped,thats the one that they really want.with simple possetion you will be alright.try saying you had just bought all that for yourself,the reason you have scales is to check your not being ripped off.most of all be carefull what you say to the pigs.!!!
i have been caught with 2 keys and got away with personal use all depends on how you play it.
Well we've been to court once already, we're tryin to say I just sell to 4 or 5 close friends, I said we all blaze and thought it made sense to chip in together to get it cheaper, i was just the guy to go get it. Then a few more freinds started getting involved. Im sayin I only ever had little more than 2 oz on me at a time as it was intentionally for personal use me and my freinds, and that cos im an easy going person other people started to call and always ask for it, i never dealt them it, they just thought id be a better option than an arsehole drug dealer and assumed id sell on to them.
Im not trying to say i'm a G' but I also No Commented the whole police interview aswell.
Well I cant say, because I live in the U.S . I just wanted to wish you luck, You seem like a nice guy and intelligent. I hope they will treat you fairly and off to the Netherlands you will go, to start your new job..:thumbsup: Good luck Cheese Blazer, POSITIVE ITATIONS d:rastasmoke:
Thanks man.
I bet in the US i'd be looking at prison. Fuck a US prison!
Im only moving cos of our shit weed and the shit laws.
dude, these days being an EU citizen and total easy travel or immigration n work in Netherlands is a true blessing, u guys should appreciate it and cherish itQuote:
Originally Posted by CheeseBlazer
Oh yes In the U.S you would be locked up brother. And we know what happens in U.S prisons..... Ive lived in England, Ireland, and the United States.. Im a world citizen.....d:rastasmoke: travel on...
You stated all this in court ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CheeseBlazer
I hope not.
Did you elect to go to crown ?
I had 2 oz on me the last time I got caught and got a caution for it , I had it on me when I got arrested for ABH.
Never ever admit "I get for friends" as that constitutes distribution , it's ALWAYS percy.
BTW
Percy is slang for personal for those who don't know.
Well anyway, i'm going to see my solicitor in the morning and have Magistrates court Friday. Then Crown Court in maybe 10 weeks. My job starts halfway through November though.
I feel I can get off lighter if I explain to the courts;
1. Ive had to sign in for bail 3 times a week at a police station 9 miles away from home, for 8 weeks, costing around £120 in petrol.
2. Ive lost my girlfriend of a year an a half, due to bail conditions saying I couldnt have any contact with her for 8 weeks, even tho she was released with no charge and not used as a witness. (She was in my room when they raided.)
3. Missed a paid for week abroad in egypt due to bail conditions, I also paid for my girlfriend so in total lost £1100 there.
4. I was told by police by giving them information about suppliers they could help my case, I gave them information, (False info mind you) only to be told they couldnt help me. I still gave them information though didn't I?
5. I have been offered a job in the netherlands as an Operations Support Engineer for a top Satalite Navigation company after years of searching for a job to make use of my college course I passed.
I think if I put this, with my reasons for having the weed mentioned before, I just might get the result im after.
Has this thread been closed?
No otherwise you would not have been able to post this.Quote:
Originally Posted by CheeseBlazer
Seen.
So greenthing, after reading what ive said, do u have any sort of idea if ill get away with this and be able to accept the job?
you have my sympathy mate
seems u hav been fucked over by the cops
i would of been pissed of just payin for petrol fees let alone missing a holdiay
bail condisions suck i wasnt ment to see my friend and had to be in at 7 30 pm the annoying thing is the cops never came to check i was in
You will not get of totally there has to be some sort of retribution, I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by CheeseBlazer
maybe a probation order, a fine court plus costs, community service.
IMHO I dont think that was very wise to say because you are supplying in a sense.Quote:
=CheeseBlazer I said we all blaze and thought it made sense to chip in together to get it cheaper, i was just the guy to go get it. Then a few more freinds started getting involved. Im sayin I only ever had little more than 2 oz on me at a time as it was intentionally for personal use me and my freinds,
Even if I say my friends wait at my house while I go get it, then I bring the 2 oz's home, hand em out then we all smoke together?
Quote:
Originally Posted by CheeseBlazer
The Thing Is That Is Technicly Surplyin
Because... You Have The Weed And Your Giving it To Your Friends To Smoke
And I am Sure The Cort Will Look At It Like That
i aint a lawyer so dont go by what i say this is just my thoughts
ALWAYS consult a lawyer when the Cops are involved
You are going to get it then you give it to your friends, therefore it stands to reason that you have supplied your friends technically speaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by CheeseBlazer
Wish you luck and all turns out well for you.
yeah dude, u totally gave them what they needed to charge u with supplying.
u should never ever talk to police or courts, without consulting with your lawyer first.
I havent said it yet, but my solicitor reckons I cant rely plead not guilty due to the fact they have evidence I to say I have been. I think tho if I make it look as if I wasnt intending on being a drug dealer, and it was just so me an my friends could smoke for cheaper, the courts might be a bit sympathetic.