What nutes should I give them? Start out with flowering nutes?
When should I start nutes?
Anyone with any experience growing this way with decent results, please give me your input!
it goes to a good cause :D
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What nutes should I give them? Start out with flowering nutes?
When should I start nutes?
Anyone with any experience growing this way with decent results, please give me your input!
it goes to a good cause :D
Ligthing at 12/12 with seedlings will result in thin scraggly plants with a pretty reduced yield. That's why no one does it as a rule. ;)
but other forums have extensive talks about it and this is the only forum where there is no debate, its just 'don't do 12/12'
Atmosphere from ICMAG(was it ICMAG? i forget) stands by 12/12 and only 12/12
others followed suit to grow decent sized plants
The last picture is Atmosphere's
Really nice plants, this might just be the perfect solution for people with limited space, please keep us up to date with the progress.
Funny thats all I do is hydro and average 2 ounces plus a plant from seed of course and that is 12/12 from seed. From a clone you're looking at about an OZ maybe.
I use the Ebb and Flow with GH nutes and foloow the nute schedule from seedlings on up thru the bloom phase. I start the bloom phase nutes at 4 weeks and then from there on out check the PPM and keep it at 1200 with about a 25% higher N count from added fish emulsion (10 gallon res =1 cup Fox Farm Big Bloom in addition to GH bloom). No pots either just the 4" x 4" hydro cubes sitting in the bottom of my tray. Leave the plastic on them tho to keep the roots from getting light and voila!:smokin:
I'd love to follow the grow log for that! If I were doing it I'd wait til the usual time for giving it nutes, probably with half veg and half bloom, and do that for at least a couple weeks before switching to all or 3/4 bloom nutes.
Before flushing it should be fine for all bloom.
Would like to try that method one day, but maybe after I make some feminized seeds.
Good luck with it
There's been loads of threads on here about 12/12 from seed. Most experienced growers won't recommend it and atmosphere himself (yeah it is icmag) admits it has it's downfalls and only has a couple of specialised uses that he himself only uses with specially chosen strains. I read through most of the icmag thread and there were some people who had success with the method, giving decent yields of around an Oz however the majority got less than 1 oz per plant (some much less, a few around 5 g) and none of the lengths of grow were substantially less than if you'd vegged for 4 weeks first. It seems the strain is very important and yields are better wiith mostly sativa plants which grow naturally in conditions that are close to 12/12. Don't expect this method to give you as good a yield as you'd get if you'd vegged till maturity, don't expect the bud to be as potent and don't expect it to be smokeable more than a couple of weeks earlier. If you're growing an almost pure sativa in an area with low height then 12/12 from seed might be worth trying, anything else I wouldn't bother. JMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Revanche21
If you are doing 12/12 from seed then SCrog it (screen of green). I don't know if you guys have ever heard of Spee Sees? He is a huge breeder in the UK and swears by 12/12 from seed with CO2 root injection. Google speecees.:smokin:
If you can ever get yourself some Aussie seeds by Mullaway those are like gold and he only gives to a select few breeders and I have the honor of having all five of his strains one being and outside only strain but will be doing all of them straight 12/12 from seed. Everyone is different I guess. I a 10 gallon res with a homemade tray that I grow My 6 legal plants (3 in veg and 3 bloom) and the cycle goes on.:smokin:
Im only working with seeds I acquire through friends/bagseed
I recently got some dutch dragon I will start on sometime at the end of this month or in august, will start a log then.
how do i pm u?Quote:
Originally Posted by signman2007
Don't know...normally you click on the persons name and it brings up their personal file and it should say send private message.....its not there????
Sorry guys no pming here.......
I'd love to see a grow log for 2 oz from a plant 12/12 from seed......
But growing hydro myself I average about 5-7 oz per plant......taking a few extra weeks to let the plants veg under 18/6. Seems like a pretty fair trade off to me.
hey not trying to hijack(dont kno how to contact him another way!)Quote:
Originally Posted by signman2007
but u have no pm method. pm me please!(to the guy i wuz talken 2)
weed hound said there is no way to PM
ahh what. so everything's public here. pffff. :mad::mad::mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by signman2007
not ok with this.
yeah afraid so guys......not sure why but I think it has something to do with MOM talk etc.....they're very strict on that type of thing around here.
Those are nice plants in those cups......I've just seen too many that crash and burn in small stuff like that to risk it myself. I like to hedge my bets so doing things the best way I can is the way I like to do stuff.....so NO teeny pots and 12/12 lighting for me.
That said.....to each his own.
good luck. :)
seems like it would be easier to trim since its one stick, and it might be more efficient per sq ft? since you could prob stick a lot in there?
Well I have went ahead and started my very own 12/12 from sprout/seed.
I planted my seeds on 7/5, and been using regular 18/6 light. On 7/8 there were 2 out of 5 sprouts. On 7/9 the other 3 popped up. Today is 7/10 and I am going to wait until tomorrow, about 1 hour before my other 2 girls lights go out, then put the 5 sprouts in with them.
I guess its just trial and error. My other 2 girls went through a regular life cycle thus far.
Good luck to anyone else who tries this method.:greenthumb:
anymore info? like what strain you are using, what type of setup etc? how experienced you are?
Unknown strain, Jus some really good bag seed. I have 3 in plastic party cups. And 2 in shotglasses. I am tryin the 1oz shotglass grow, as well as the 12/12 from seed/sprout. I have grown 1ce before, but I had to chop her before harvest. "Unwanted Company" showed up. I am groing in soil. FoxFarm Ocean Forest for starter. I prolly wont transplant, well at least thats my goal. Just nute after 30 days and whatever happens, happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revanche21
Best of Luck,
:greenthumb:
If you have any Q's I can answer. Jus ASK!
sweet, any idea if its more leaning towards a sativa or Indica?
we should start a 12/12 from seed log thread
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Originally Posted by Revanche21
Like I said they just sprouted 2 days ago! But 1 looks to have fatter starter leaves then the others. so they look like a mix. But if we are gon grow from 12/12 they wont get any bigger than 36-56 inces.
Fa sho we should start our own "From Seed 12/12" grow log.
Really nice, simple post, too bad it's wrong info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Most sativa's come from equatorial regions, where the normal photoperiod is close to 12/12. They NORMALLY grow that way...think about it!
If your're getting stretched spindly plants indoors under lights, your problem is not enough light not the photoperiod.
Indica's seem to give mixed results to 12/12 from seed, but worth the experiment if you like playing around.
interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by oldmac
how long will it take to sex a plant given 12/12 from seed?
From what I gather,
If its a rudarelis, it will autoflower whenever it feels like it
some sources say certain strains will sex immediately and you will end up with a 1g-2g plant, while other strains will mature until it is ready to flower yielding an average of 10g-30g per plant
Hey dj, i've not tried this method but from reading plenty it seems different strains will sex at different times, but the majority seem to start showing pistils at around 3-4 weeks and I think thats a big problem with the method, the length of your grow isn't reduced by much :( For the first few weeks the plant just sits there under a reduced 12/12 lighting schedule growing at a reduced rate thinking I know it's time to flower but i'm too young and immature so i'm gonna keep growing slowly until i hit puberty :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by dj00140
It might be an idea to let the plants veg properly under 18/6 for two weeks first before switching to 12/12 (unless your a micro grower and want tiny plants) so they grow as quickly as they can while they're only vegging anyway??
Peace
e2a - dam lovin that pic ;)
I want back thru my records to see if I had any large starts of indica from seed @ 12/12. No major grows except this interesting one.
Back in '72 I did an indoor grow of Alaskan Thunderfuck from beans.
Seeds where started using 12/12.
At day 10, the photoperiod was increased 1/2 hour,
and every day 1/2 hour more was added.
At day 34 they are 24/0, stayed that way for 10 days.
At day 44, photoperiod decreased 1/2 hour,
and everday another 1/2 was subtracted.
Plants finished, buds matured by the time I hit 10/14,
day 72.
BTW: back then I was using 8' T12 VHO power twist, Vita Lites, full spectrum floros, 8 of them.
Revanche21;
Your premise of 1-2gm per plant, ain't bad if you have enough plants. I'm currently starting a small experiment using a 300watt LED grow light by Theoreme Innovation and two 120 site EZ cloners. 1-2 days of 24 hour light, then bang them into 12/12.
I think 3gm per site is possible...but we will see. But even at 2gm, if about 200 make it out of 240 (very conservative here) that woud be 400gms! From 300watts. I'm only doing this for shits and giggles while I build a new grow system... to give the new LED light something to do.
It will take almost twice as long as 16/8 or 18/6 to veg. You should always start with vegging nutes until it is time to flower and then use bloom. I think at that rate your plant will want to flower after two or three months. It will do it on it's own I believe but it will have to go through a full vegetative cycle. The thing is that plants in nature get at least 14 hours of light and usually 16 during the prime vegging season. So....maybe even just adding two hours might be a good idea just to speed up the process.
yea i think u r right hudson, but the way i started my grow i was givin 3, 3 foot plants still in veg and started to flower them so i quickly planted 4 mandala seeds and they only got like a week to veg and then i had to flower the giants or they would out grow my grow room very quickly, anyway heres the thread if you want to check out my log!Quote:
Originally Posted by hudson88
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...lots-pics.html
Wrong. You need to seperate Indicas from Sativias. As I've said before sativas' mostly grow in equartorial areas. Maybe I'm missing something that you know but I don't here......but they DO NOT get "14 hours of light and usually 16 during prime vegging" in the equartorial regions. Unless someone is giving them supplemental light, which is not natural. The photoperiod you describe happens much further north latitude or much further south latitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspire420
Maybe someone on these boards who lives near the equator, or has visited there can attest to the photoperiod of the region.
From personal experence from seed to sex can go anywhere from 7 to 21 days :cool:depending on the dominant strain.
1-2g would be a very very conservative estimate, most ppl from other forums report 14g-20g per plant
I asked this question too a few weeks ago and had little response so i decided to give it a go..
Fertilizer-fox farm starter 3-3-3/micronutes mixed in top half jamaican bat guano in the bottom half (organics) will also supplement use fox farm tiger bloom at first sign of flowering.
Pots and lighting- started in 3 inch starters under 1 week of 24/0 t-5, Immediately moved to 2 gallon under 400 watt after first set of true leaves.
(Guess this qualifies of 12/12 from seedling?)
Indica/sativa mix bag seed.
I will log this here if you want Rev, since we are all curious or I will start my own thread if my company is not wanted.
all plants are 25 days from seed...the bigger ones were transplanted 3 days sooner so I guess the timing of transplants can play a part in how fast growth occurs...
Sweet thanks much for your experimentation!
I will post my own later on, I can't grow atm :\
keep us updated!
hey Rev, thanks for the reply
they have shot up alot since I posted that a few days ago..Still no signs of flowers. I will post a pic in another week or so, in order to be able to tell the changes.
yea I've been curious, I have just been hectic and busy lately sorry for the late reply!Quote:
Originally Posted by Forwhat420
:jointsmile:
Im no expert or anything.But I was getting about 5 grams per palnt under 12/12.175 watt hps and 4 6500k cfl bulbs.This time I went with 13/11.What I got was A stick with A giant bud on the end of it....lol.Its not done yet,but I just do this for my own enjoyment,and it does ease A bad back. Also Im only growing in A 2 feet high by 3 feet wide area.
SmokeyJ : I'm really curious about the 12/12.
How old is that stick in the pic?
Any more info you could add would be great. Nice to hear from someone with some experience in 12/12 or 11/13 :jointsmile: