A few people i know have taken advanced string theory as their belief.
What is everyone's views on it as a belief?
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A few people i know have taken advanced string theory as their belief.
What is everyone's views on it as a belief?
Wtf is advanced string theory?
I read the stuff and found it extremely complicated.... lol
Maybe I'll look into it later after I've gone to college.
I also accept the string theory, more or less because it presents actual fact rather than what some lunatic writes in a book.
If you want to take a look at string theory, the science channel offers a really good and simple look at it. Other then that, I suggest the movie "What The Bleep". It doesn't go too much into string theory itself, but covers most of quantum physics.
what the bleep do we know anyway is excellent
and so is the discovery channels movie.
i've watched both.
not sure of the discovery channels name for its movie though.
i saw the science channel program on paralell universes and i have seen what the bleep do we know anyways. well atleast the part about the interference pattern and it not reacting a certain way when a camera was present. creepy shit man.
bleh, What The Bleep Do We Know is getting annoying, so many young impressional college kids are practically making it their religion and talking as though it's the most amazing thing that ever challenged their brain. I'm not saying I disagree with the movie, because I actually agree with most of it, but it really only scratches the surface of what I've already read in some basic quantum theory and interestingly enough, buddhism.Quote:
Originally Posted by wayoftheleaf
"The Secret", a recent movie from the same guys, had a really good message that I already believed myself but felt they really tightened up and clarified. If only it didn't run rampant with corniness.
I'm gonna have to check out string theory, it sounds really interesting and I've barely scratched the surface. Apparently it also resolves a long-standing conflict with special relativity and quantum mechanics.
I have my own sorta philosophy on that involves the string theory,infinity, and energy.
Do you take it as a religious belief or a scientific belief? My understanding is that string theory is a scientific topic rather then a spiritual one. It deals with trying to understand the physics behind that which we observe, rather then any spiritual dimension of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by wayoftheleaf
The way that this is involved is because it unravels the beginning of time as we know it. It proves that the plane of existence is composed of an infinite number of parallel dimensions. It proves that the big bang, or the creation of our universe, was the aftermath of two parallel dimensions colliding. At least that is how I remember the explanation of it. If this is scientific fact, then it rules out the possibility of a god creating this universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsn9333
Wise words old man. I've sat and listened to people going on about paths and stuff and quoting this film, made me laugh. It's quite interesting but there's a whole load of stuff they missed out, and instead decided to include some annoying story with this deaf girl going on a journey or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
Fritjof Capra apparently has a film out depicted some of his theories
called Mindwalk, wouldn't mind checking that out sometime, he is one of my favourite writers. Anyone see this?
Fritjof Capra - Mindwalk
Christianity and creation are not beliefs that are in conflict with the Big Bang. You've heard the the joke, "I believe in the Big Bang: *Bang*... God created it." Well, not only is it not that funny, but it isn't even a joke. Who is to say that an infinite God could not use an infinite number of parallel dimensions outside of space and time as we know it to create a collision resulting in creation?Quote:
Originally Posted by BoilerUp
There are *a lot* of Christians that believe the "7 days" of creation in Genesis actually represent much longer periods of time. In fact, the zealots will never remind you of this, but if you look up the Hebrew word for "day" in the Genesis account you will find it can actually mean any length of time.
Most astrologers (Christian and non-Chrisitan) today believe in the Big Bang. That is a fact. It is not at odds with Christianity in any way, shape or form.
String theory is pretty much philosophy imho as it's almost unfalsifiable - we are unlikely to be able to prove it either way for the forseeable future.
In a way I somewhat agree, because most people do believe in a big bang of sorts, but there are those who do take the word very literally.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsn9333
The problem that non-believers have with words of god, is that the story is always changing yet the book remains the same. It says God created the heavens and the stars, but when someone says "Alternate dimensions collided, creating this big bang"... the Bible doesn't say that happened. The Bible also didn't say that it *didn't* happen, So people will fill in with "Maybe God did it that way". I'm not saying there's no God, but I AM saying that Biblical texts are no more proof than mere observation.
I meant they took it as a belief system of infinite possibilities. You can't truly predict anything, because we can't prove that we are in a universe where it doesn't change. Therefore anything could happen after death. Anything can happen in life.
At least that is the way i took it.
WayOfTheLeaf, did you take your username from the Wheel Of Time book The Eye Of The World? If so that's awsome!:D I'm reading it myself right now.
i took it from the entire series my friend :) i love it. read all eleven books on the upper half of ten times. Reading the first one again right now.
Entire series eh? So the leaf people are coming back, that's interesting. I'm only just near the end of the first book for the first time. Seems I discovered the series late. Please don't tell me anything though!
lol i won't. I swear to god if robert jordan dies from the blood disease he has before finishing the last book i will do something insane. I have no idea what. But it will prolly be on television and make you go wtf.
The last book he said he didn't care if it was 2000-6000 pages and you had to carry it in a wheelbarrow, he is only writing one more.
What The Bleep Do We Know and The Secret are both full of shit. Sorry to burst your bubble, guys, but you can't change the physical universe just using your thoughts. It doesn't work that way. If you want to change things, you can only do it by controlling your muscles with your nervous system. You can't think the world better. You have to actually get up off your ass and do something.
I would recommend this rant if you want to learn more about how The Secret is BS.
I believe in the big bang theory also.
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." :jointsmile:
Can you image the power of the sun just appearing? It must have been a BIG bang.
Oneironaut, do you have any links to a scientific research proving otherwise?
I'm really not trying to be an ass, i just havn't heard much objection to what the movie presents other than opinions. If anyone has any facts against it i TRULY want to see them.
Actually, there were no photons and hence no light until about 380,000 years after the Big Bang.
Cosmic microwave background radiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Umm, it's common sense. You can't just change the world with your thoughts. If you want to prove me wrong, cure cancer with your thoughts, or make a ham sandwich with your thoughts. Do anything with just your thoughts and I will be convinced. Do you have any scientific research proving I can't shoot laser beams out of my eyes if I stare at the Moon for eight hours straight? No, but that doesn't mean you should take me seriously if I make an outrageous claim like that. You should ask me to prove it before you take it seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by wayoftheleaf
The cosmic microwave background is a prediction of Big Bang theory. In the theory, the early universe was made up of a hot plasma of photons, electrons and baryons. The photons were constantly interacting with the plasma through Thomson scattering. As the universe expanded, adiabatic cooling caused the plasma to cool until it became favourable for electrons to combine with protons and form hydrogen atoms. This happened at around 3,000 K or when the universe was approximately 380,000 years old (z=1088). At this point, the photons did not scatter off of the now neutral atoms and began to travel freely through space. This process is called recombination or decoupling (referring to electrons combining with nuclei and to the decoupling of matter and radiation respectively).
That is the paragraph right?
It says:
The cosmic microwave background is a prediction of Big Bang theory. In the theory, the early universe was made up of a hot plasma of photons, electrons and baryons. The photons were constantly interacting with the plasma through Thomson scattering
That means there were photons before the 380000 year mark, but they were constantly interacting with the plasma until then, when it cooled enough to form hydrogen atoms.
correct me if I am wrong, I was just repeating it and i may be misunderstanding it completely
I stand corrected. There were photons around, but you wouldn't have been able to see anything because they were just bouncing all over the place randomly. Well, you wouldn't have been able to see anything anyways because there was no place habitable for life, or even a hardy video camera.
I don't think the story of the Bible is always changing. I mean, sure it leaves open the question of how God *exactly* created the universe... but that doesn't mean it changes. It just means it leaves that particular aspect of creation open for some discussion (hopefully friendly discussion... though some people get out of hand).
What I'm saying is, no one can look at the Christian Scriptures and see it saying God created the earth one day and then see it saying God didn't create the earth the next. I will agree that biblical texts are not scientific proof of anything. However, they are full of religious proof when practiced. If one starts practicing the teachings of Christ he will see the types of results the Word of God promises. And those teachings do not change. They have been practiced by Christians since Christ first uttered them.
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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
It isn't about the bible always changing, it is about the infinite amount of possibilities due to the infinite amount of universes.
Our thoughts and perceptions ARE the universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I think The Secret has the right idea, but blown way out of proportion. Think about the placebo effect. A lot of people think it just means tricking yourself into the illusion of wellness. In many cases it is; however, it can also initiate some pretty powerfull healing as effective or more as any medicine. I remember one fellow who completely cured himself of a deadly cancer (I wish I could remember which one, but it's been years) that by all rights should have killed him. He overcame it, according to him, by intense and prolonged meditation aimed at the intention of getting better.
Another, probably better example, is in my psychology class when we learned how when a pack animal suddenly topples the pack leader and aserts his dominance, his muscle mass increases at unprecedented rates upward of 50, which they attribute to the mental projection of dominance.
I'm sure many of us have seen some taichi masters, little guys, who can take the biggest punch from the biggest guy and not be moved. Or in other cases have 5 men try to move him and be completely unable to.
There was a really neat video on Ebaumsworld I saw where an old chinese guy, some sort of martial arts master, could stand on his index finger alone.
None of these things I attribute to mystical waves eminating from our thoughts, altering our reality by perception, but by controlling the brain and the nervous system to such a degree that the human body and mind shouldn't normally be capable of. After all, when you look at the eastern philosophy of "chi", it really seems like a primitive (and in some ways more advanced) understanding of the nervous system.
When you get right down to the nuts and bolts, the energetic potential that forms our brains, bodies, and all other mass, are all made of the same thing carrying out different tasks to create the whole. As my best friend, who's a 3rd year physics major described, all matter is essentially made up of light. But you have to keep in mind that when you think of light, you're thinking of your perception of light, and that perception is merely the effect of light. The actual forces that form light are the same forces that form all the atoms in all matter, and the same forces that create an electrical neuron firing in your brain, central, and peripheral nervous systems.
And thus I do hold to the belief that through deep contemplation, meditation, and understanding through rigerous practice, the mind can be developed to strip down the illusionary barriers that separate "us" from the "external" existence. When we do that, we can have a great deal of control over what happens in our bodies, in our minds, how we affect our external reality, and how we let it affect us.
This is debated, and I actually believe thought helps to some extent. One example of this is the research done by a Japanese scientist, Masaru Emoto. He presented a live experiment to a large group. What he did was take two jars full of identical water. One he hid off stage, and another he placed on stage. He told the audience to focus their prayers toward the water that was placed on stage. After some amount of time of prayers, both jars were taken to be crystallized. When they came out, the water with prayers sent to it had a much different physical shape to it than the one which didn't receive prayers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Here is a link to the water experiment: KRYON - Hamburg water experiment
Other experiments include raising the PH of water by simply have meditations focused towards it. Now I will admit this effect is very minimal, but you can't rule it out as not existing.
there was a test done where a large group of people in washington D.C. meditated for long periods of time on crime decreasing, and it decreased by 25%(or close to this number, i strongly believe it was in the 20 percentile range)
I highly recommend A Briefer History of Time by Stephen Hawking for anyone who is remotely interested in this topic. Go get it. Read it. Now.
Now.
How about a brief history of time? Isn't a briefer history just a condensed form of a brief history? That is what I thought, or are they two different books? i'll check out both just incase.
I love good hearted discussion :D I don't like it when things get hostile, so good clean and kind natured discussion is always preferred by me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jsn9333
My father's side of my family is religious, I mean *very* religious, and they constantly want me to become a preacher for the word of god because they "see god" in me, for whatever reason. I am *constantly* having discussions with them about my beliefs, but that doesn't make it any less fun and informing to converse with other people about the same thing.
Ok, so after all of that.... I made a stament "the Bible is always changing", and what I meant by that was, the Bible obviously can't change, because it's allegedly the word of God, and the alleged word of God is infallible. But when something contradicts the word of God, the meaning instantly changes so that the words still hold ground.
This verse tells me that nothing is impossible if you are armed with even the smallest faith. I have none, so it's impossible for me to move mountains, but surely a few people on earth must have had enough faith to move a mountain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthew 17:20
Since we can't move mountains on prayer alone, there has to be an excuse as to why the mountains aren't constantly being moved by men of little faith. "You're asking too much", or "The request is too trivial" or something, when in fact the prayer should be regarded as a test in faith.
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Originally Posted by wayoftheleaf
The original (brief) is cluttered with equations and advanced relative calculus and whatnot. Either one is good, but I chose briefer since I fucking hate math but would still love to comprehend what Hawking is writing.
I actually have to dispute one fact in What the bleep do we know anyway.
A man says that in the bible it is said that the entire kingdom of heaven could fit into a mustard seed.
This isn't true, what he is referring to(i believe) is the passage in which it is said *the kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed* or something like that. but it is basically saying that something very small could grow to something large. you could take that a few ways, but i don't think it can be taken how he described it.
Thanks couch-potato, i have been meaning to read them anyway.
This in particular doesn't come from the mind alone, this comes from the fact that these people dedicate their entire lives to performing these feats, and in all the tests I've ever seen, no one over punches the monks in the face or pokes them in the eye, because that's not what they have trained their entire lives to defend against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
Also on the flipside, I've also seen videos of "Dim Mak" masters who claim to disrupt the chi flow of other people at a distance, claim to be undefeated. YouTube - Kung Fu master gets owned
Watch him get punched in the face and get a "time out" because he'd never actually been hit before. People will make ridiculous claims at times.
But add another one to the list, the idea that four 10 year olds can lift a car off of a person who is in danger. People can do extraordinary things at times.