50 per cent of the battle, is a battle in the media

Anti-Americanism in Europe 'helps al-Qa'eda'
By David Blair, Diplomatic Correspondent
Last Updated: 1:24am GMT 09/02/2007

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Anti-American feeling in Europe is playing into the hands of al-Qa'eda and unwittingly encouraging terrorism, Australia's foreign minister said today.


France's Jacques Chirac and Germany's Gerhard Schroeder both opposed the US-led war in Iraq in 2003
In an interview with The Daily Telegraph, Alexander Downer urged European politicians to weigh the consequences of their words before they "leap out there and attack America".

Mr Downer gave warning that criticism of America's conduct in Iraq could â?? inadvertently â?? provide an incentive for terrorist attacks.

"People in the West, and not only in Europe, blame America for a suicide bomber in a market in Baghdad," he said.

"That only encourages more horrific behaviour. Every time there is an atrocity committed, it is implicitly America's fault, so why not commit some more atrocities and put even more pressure on America?"


Mr Downer added: "The al-Qa'eda leadership has said on many occasions that more than 50 per cent of the battle is a battle in the media. The more you can get media denigration of America, the more that the war against terrorism is seen to be an indictment of America, the better for those who started this war."

Speaking during a visit to London, Mr Downer, who has served as Australia's foreign minister for almost 11 years, said that European critics of Washington were not aiming to help terrorists, but this could be the unintentional consequence of their words.

"It's very rude to say these people want to help al-Qa'eda. They don't. But obviously America's enemies take comfort from continual attacks on America by America's friends," he said. "Before you leap out there and vigorously attack America, think about what you're saying and the consequences of what you're saying."

Mr Downer, 55, added that populist attacks on Washington "might play well in some political constituencies in Europe, but that's no excuse".

Australia supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003, sending 500 special forces soldiers and three frigates to the Gulf. Some 500 Australian troops are now deployed in Afghanistan, where they are engaged against Taliban fighters in the southern province of Uruzgan.

Nato defence ministers met in Seville today to consider sending more soldiers to Afghanistan. General Dan McNeill, the new American commander of Nato forces in the country, asked for 2,000 more troops to join the 33,000 deployed at present.

Mr Downer urged Nato to agree to this request. He criticised countries like France who have sent forces to Afghanistan â?? but only on condition that their troops do not operate in the south, where the fighting against the Taliban is fiercest.

"At the end of the day, it's weakening the coalition's efforts in Afghanistan," said Mr Downer. "Think of Afghanistan as a battle that has to be won. The Taliban have to be defeated. So it's not about just symbolically sending some soldiers there."

Mr Downer added: "Nato needs to be very robust. We're now getting towards the end of the winter. When the spring comes, you will see a spring offensive from the Taliban and I think it will be pretty tough and that's going to require a lot of resolve. So we would like to see more troops."



Like I have said so many times......

Al quida is Killing people over there so we play it on our TVs here. Left leaning media loves to accommidate them.

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Like I have said so many times......

Al quida is Killing people over there so we play it on our TVs here. Left leaning media loves to accommidate them.

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Cone on Dong give a few examples? What left media has shown an execution in full? CNN/MSNBC always stopped video right before the deed is done. Only seen full versions on the internet. And if your talking about the daily death counts, we as Americans have every right to know what goes on with our troops. Good with the bad. And as long as America has its finger prints all over the world it will always be a suspect when things go down.

This is part of your disorder.....

They have played, (all but what the FCC wont allow) snipers, beheadings, daily death count, details on Dead civilians from suicide bombers...ie our fault.


Zim you are so left wing brain washed you cant even see it.

Look at this battle

Japan suffered very heavy losses: of the 22,000 Japanese troops entrenched on the island, only 1,083 survived. The United States lost a total of 6,825 personnel in the battle for the island. The Allies were gaining ground in the Pacific Theater at this point in the war, and the victory at Iwo Jima was another step towards the Japanese Home Islands.


How long have we been at this war?

Over twice the amount of Brave US soldiers died in this battle, then have died in the whole WAR.

Every Loss of a Brave American soldier, sucks, and I feel for there families. But this is a war (you cant see) that we cant lose.

what if they said on the nighly news......

Dateline Iraq....3200 soldiers dead in this war....we solute you fallen men and women.
and remember this is still only half the amount of me we lost during the battle at iwo Jima.....

what do you think the opinion of the war would be?



we get...Bush is evil, USA is evil, 3200 dead, 23 dead this month, 7 dead today, and one of those soldiers had 3 kids.....

talk about the non binding resolution
Talk about obama, hillary, Gop Bad.....

weather
sports
out.....

WW2 deaths compaired Iraq war deaths?! Those where the days without guided bombs and presision weapons. Do you think we would do d-day all over again today the same way? Or would we bomb first before sending soldiers up a beach to be moewed down? Another reason why theres a lower death/time ratio is advancments with combat medics. We are much better, with all the practice, of saving life and limb then in ww2.

Also in ww2 our enemy wore a uniform and we knew who they were for the most part. Spotting the enemy today is like trying to eyeball someone and guessing if they have AIDS or not.

OK now we are getting somewhere.....lets look at this

If our enemy doesnt wear a uniform......

A. they are in a full gorilla war

B. hard to distinguish between soldier and civilian. ( you would yell at the american soldiers for killing a "civilian", but he is a soldier without a UNI.

C. They are not wearing American Uniforms (im sure you think the USA soldiers are the real enemy)

D. could be people from other countries..IE iran, Syria, SA, where ever.

E. Makes this the hardest war we have ever fought and must win.....


you can get out of your liberal shell.....come on.

Next you will be asking, why do they teach jews and christians are apes and pigs......?

where the fuck is the NOW (nat org of women) standing aginst islam...? where?

Boing McBoing, It is radicals like you that are the root cause of wars. People with so much intolerance for differing ideas and ideaologys that the answer is war. You your self have said that you would terrorize kids on the playing field by threatening to "Rip off their arms and beat them over the head with them". Boy, I wish we could have been at the same school at the same time, but thats another story. People like you are the ones with the Narrow minds that see it one way and if you don't like it, you'll kick our asses. and as you grow up (very questionable), you carry that philosophy into the grown up world. "lets Kick their asses" Pathetic, fucking Pathetic., Have you ever heard of dialog, I doubt it. Even on this infintesimal little site you pound out your bully pulpit. Always right all the time. If you could pull your head out for a few seconds and think, Gee, I wonder what the rest of the people on this site really think of me, I think you'd be in for a rude awakening. Now thats my opinion and oh yeah, Fuck you:S4:

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Originally Posted by medicinal

Boing McBoing,

Is this your try at being funny.....try again..

It is radicals like you that are the root cause of wars.

I forgot conservitive flew planes into building on 9-11, they want the fight not us

People with so much intolerance for differing ideas and ideaologys that the answer is war.

Once again...we looked the other way during the whole clinton years....nothing, still hated us, and kept attacking us.....wrong again

You your self have said that you would terrorize kids on the playing field by threatening to "Rip off their arms and beat them over the head with them".

wrong again......i would tear YOUR arm off, i used to stick up for kids that couldnt stick up for them selves....you need to listen...turn up the hearing aid gramps...

Boy, I wish we could have been at the same school at the same time, but thats another story.

It is a short story.. you have dreamed it before....yyyaaawwwnnnnn

People like you are the ones with the Narrow minds that see it one way and if you don't like it, you'll kick our asses.

you are right i will kick you ass with words all day long......

and as you grow up (very questionable), you carry that philosophy into the grown up world. "lets Kick their asses" Pathetic, fucking Pathetic.,

I take only so much shit, then i pick my battles..... your not even worth my typing this...

Have you ever heard of dialog, I doubt it.

EVER HERD OF DEBATING A POINT? o or just bleeding hart lib shit?

Even on this infintesimal little site you pound out your bully pulpit.

I defend Myself and my country on this MAINLY LEFT WING web site....i do it so well you think im a bully.....LOL

Always right all the time.

Now you are getting the idea.....:D

If you could pull your head out for a few seconds and think, Gee, I wonder what the rest of the people on this site really think of me, I think you'd be in for a rude awakening.

Uhhh i think it is you that would be in for the rude awakining.....
Now thats my opinion and oh yeah, Fuck you

you opinion is worth salt to every one but you

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oh yeah Fuck you too :S4: