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so...lets say you are a member of any religion. the religion you follow believes in demons, and so forth.
what do you think the effects of a young kid tripping on psychedelics opening up himself to demons could possibly do to that kid? just a question
it would make him listen to metal, paint his finger nails black, wear pentacle necklaces from the store at the mall, acknowledge the fact that 11 IS louder than 10, and eventually only smoke shwag.
if the person is truely into demons and such, they may possibly not be afraid of such things when they are tripping. though any thoughts of demons may be an instant bad trip to the majority, this person may find it to be different. perhaps enlightening.
ask around on gothic forums or something
the person in question is nothing of a gothic though.Quote:
Originally Posted by justinsane
and aye, it surely was enlightening :abduct:
enlightening hell, last time i saw a demon, i beat his ass and made him my bitch!
love, kp:p
The idea that hallucinogenics open a person up to demon's is a common christian concern, and undoubtedly one amongst other religions. However, I think this stems from a weak understanding of the nature of such substances/plants, and the sacred role of them when used properly and productively. One who doesn't understand the hallucinogen's effects, or how to guide the mental journey brought on by them, will undoubtedly condem it as "evil". Those more experienced and knowledgeable with spiritual use of entheogens will consistantly tell you that it has made them an emotionally and spiritually healthier person. Furthurmore, many (mono)theists, particularily christians, have used such substances to bring them closer to god and find peace with him/her/it.
despite the multiplicity of religions, with different goals in terms of personal development, most have some sort of demons (either real or symbolic) that serve as metaphors for defects of the human psyche.
Demons don't have life of their own. They exist entirely inside the mind and its exactly on this level that entheogens can give a person powerful tools to confront and conquer these demons.
just a thought...
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Originally Posted by Polymirize
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I think, through experiences with mushrooms, that if i were that person mushrooms would allow me to find my deamons and subsiquently vanquish them. I always seem to realize or learn somthing when i eat the sacrid fungus. Like fully understanding motivation behind all my mom sais as her love and making extra effort showing her the same. Or more recently I learned not to litter, which has made my car a hell of a lot more dirty but i know im helping in a small way and now i can look at the trash on the side of the road and critisize people who throw things out in accordance with the "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" doctrine.
This very much brings to mind part of an article I read a few days ago, called "The New Alchemy" by Alan Watts:
The rest of the article can be found here, for those interested: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/alchemy.htmQuote:
I have not yet been able to use LSD in circumstances of great physical or moral pain, and therefore my explorations of the problem of evil under its influence may appear to be shallow. Only once in these experiments have I felt acute fear, but I know of several cases in which LSD has touched off psychic states of the most alarming and unpleasant kind. More than once I have invited such states under LSD by looking at images ordinarily suggestive of "the creeps"—the mandibles of spiders, and the barbs and spines of dangerous fish and insects. Yet they evoked only a sense of beauty and exuberance, for our normal projection of malice into these creatures was entirely withdrawn, so that their organs of destruction became no more evil than the teeth of a beautiful woman. On another occasion I looked for a long time at a colored reproduction of Van Eyck's Last Judgment, which is surely one of the most horrendous products of human imagination. The scene of hell is dominated by the figure of Death, a skeleton beneath whose batlike wings lies a writhing mass of screaming bodies gnawed by snakes which penetrate them like maggots in fruit. One of the curious effects of LSD is to impart an illusion of movement in still images, so that here the picture came to life and the whole entanglement of limbs and serpents began to squirm before my eyes. (2)
Ordinarily such a sight should have been hideous, but now I watched it with intense and puzzled interest until the thought came to me, "Demon est deus inversus—the Devil is God inverted—so let's turn the picture upside down." I did so, and thereupon burst into laughter for it became apparent at once that the scene was an empty drama, a sort of spiritual scarecrow, designed to guard some mystery from profanation by the ignorant. The agonized expressions of the damned seemed quite evidently "put on," and as for the death's-head, the great skull in the center of the painting, it became just what a skull is—an empty shell—and why the horror when there is nothing in it?
I was, of course, seeing ecclesiastical hells for what they are. On the one hand, they are the pretension that social authority is ultimately inescapable since there are post-mortem police who will catch every criminal. On the other hand, they are "no trespassing" signs to discourage the insincere and the immature from attaining insights which they might abuse. A baby is put in a play pen to keep it from getting at the matches or falling downstairs, and though the intention of the pen is to keep the baby closed in, parents are naturally proud when the child grows strong enough to climb out. Likewise, a man can perform actions which are truly moral only when he is no longer motivated by the fear of hell, that is, when he grows into union with the Good that is beyond good and evil, which, in other words, does not act from the love of rewards or the fear of punishments. This is precisely the nature of the world when it is considered as self-moving action, giving out a past instead of being motivated by a past.
Very good read for anyone interested in the effects psychedelic drugs on spirituality.
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Originally Posted by afghooey
cool man, thanks a bunch, very interesting read, very appreciated! :D
alan watts is a great guy, i have a few audio books from him on mushrooms and such.
and thanks to all for the replies.
the thing that happened is that the person in question opened themselves up to demons, and somewhat bonding with them. they use it for power and confidence, as in "the demons are with me, i am invincible" kindda thing. guess it works, because there was a tremendous change in many things.
thanks again, and stay away from demons ;)