god?

im not saying that i believe in a god, but i was reading here, stoned, and thinking. if there is a god, he is a sick and twisted being. this quote was from an earlier post in this forum

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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge

Y'all want to say god gave us free will and he loves us? Here is my question.

Why the hell is there a such thing as evil? If we are "gods children," would he not want the best for us? Since he is all powerful, why are we not living in a utopia?

Either god is an asshole, indifferent, or he doesn't exist. It makes no sense to say he loves us, yet lets us die from aids, cancer, murder, etc. I'm sorry, free will is BS.

Is this just a training period for the afterlife? Than why wouldn't god simply create us in the afterlife. He knows who is going to make it anyway. If we were loved, we would not be subjected to all the pain of this life.

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JaggedEdge has a very good point. if god was is an all-powerfull, all-knowing, all-creating being, he would know who would make it in the world, and who wouldnt. from what i have been told, (my aunt is a minister) this world is a judgement for heaven. why would he want to watch us suffer, if we are all loved. then again, why even have sinners. all the stuff that god dosent want us to do (i.e. murder, theft, etc...) is a form of sin. god knows who will sin, and that they are going to hell. why would he even make people capable of sinning in the first place. he made this shitty world. he made his followers, and sinners. why would he waste his energy on making sinners, when he could be making perfect, commandment-abiding followers. dont think about even trying to tell me that people rebel against god. he made us, he knows everything, and he knew that we would sin.


there is no god. i feel that i have succesfully proved this.

***keep in mind, i dont, nor will i ever beleive in any god. these are just my thoughts on christanity after reading JaggedEdge's post***

feel free to share your thoughts on this, but please, no flames.

isnt god everthing just put together yeaha i dont know

wow there must be some God man cux some cray shit just happed and man it makin me a little bit more of a beliver

as i said b4 this is called the problem of Evil in philosophy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_problem_of_evil

good link. it goes intot he problem in several religions and i think it has some rebuttles, maybe you'd like

^^^ good link thanks^^^

Jaggededge's quote is a perfect example why I feel that God is a righteous judge. God made man in his image. In the image of God made he male and female. God is faced with making decisions all the time. A ruler has to make decisions to govern. After all, he is the king of kings. He made man like himself. Every man has a soul and spirit. In the midst of the garden where man was placed was a tree which was not to be eaten from. Man disobeyed God's law and sin entered into the world. Through sin came death. This is the reason we all have to die. We're here for a cause. We're not dying cause of the big bang theory or evolution. Why not anaylize why science is not perfect? Why does our energy come to an end? Instead of asking why we're not in a perfect world, have a little patience and allow him to correct it, cause he will. Don't knock him, cause he's gonna fix the problems that exist. Nothing offensive will enter into the kingdom of God. That's why I carry joy in this cold world. Cause I know it's gonna get better. Stay tuned, life after death. I don't know why people dislike God. The message that I hear from him is good so I totally don't understand God haters. :confused:


"[3] Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
[4] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
[5] To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
[6] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
[7] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
[9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
[10] For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
[11] But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
[12] For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

Why do you feel that you are more righteous than he is? Have you proven him wrong? Where's your proof? How can you have proof against something that has substance and evidence? Instead of trying to prove him wrong, you should be playing your cards right. If he exists, you're gonna have to work it out with him.

Don't bother to post that you proved God wrong cause you're only screaming it to other men. When you come before his presence, it'll be your words that will either justify you or condemn you. Damn, this blueberry is some good shit :stoned:

the christian god is a lie perpetrated to control the masses. the REAL nature of god is beyond human understanding.

What masses?

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

What masses?

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i'm sorry i just don't know how to answer that question other than to say humanity.

there's not a single word in the bible written by jesus. and it was written in a all but dead language who's nuances and meanings have long been lost by all but the most esoteric and studied scholars. how can you even know what you are taking as "god's word" isn't anything more than what was intended for you to believe by those that wanted you to subvert your free thought, your untainted intuition of what is truly godly, and sacrifice it for what would keep them in power?

don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with believing that christ was an extraordinarily enlightened man. and wanting to model your life afte that. but all this business about a perfect, loving god who would cast you into an eternity of unimaginable suffering is a load of shit. to live a benevolent life in promise for reward and to not harm your fellow man because of punishment is not an enlightened life. and yes, i am willing to lay my soul (if there is such a thing) on the line for that.

fear is NOT the heart of love.

here is the truth, i myself dont' believe in god, but this is a universal answer, we will never know, ever, period. all we can do is speculate, that's it, nothing more. there is no proof either way, and it's a constant battle, that started many many years ago, and doesn't look like it'll be ending anytime soon.

for every inconsistancy you throw in a christian's face, they have an excuse, or in their words a 'reason', it doesn't matter what you shove their nose in, there's always a back door, always a way out, the further and further you shove, the more and more likely it's going to end with some vauge statment such as "god has his will, and everything follows that will, he needs not to explain himself to us, because he is god" or something along those lines.

it's useless to stir up the controversy over it, it's useless to try and make people listen to reason, all they know is there's a magical man up there, that made everything, and has a will for everything, and that's it. as much as i hate to actually say it, it's called faith, they can't for sure know it's there, they can't see it, all they can do is have faith that they're not being decieved, and follow the life the bible and 'god's word' has set out for them.

imho, i don't believe in god, but the bible does have alot of valuable morals and rules in it, that without, life would be pretty damn bad, can you imgaine how many more murders, and other violent criminals there would be, if they too, didn't think there was some magical man watching them... for alot of people out there, the only thing that keeps them in check, and living a 'decent' life is fear....

fear is a powerful tool, it can cause you to throw out everything you know, survival is a prime example, some guy pulls a gun on you, you get scared. mostly all you can think about is how you're going to rip that gun out of his hand and kill him with it, whereas, if you weren't scared, murder would never even cross your mind. fear can make a man walk a straight line, it can make a man run far away from that line... which brings me to my most upheld belief, one i believe more than any other scenario or theory i've concocted in this twisted wreck i call my brain...

the bible was created by men, to scare men. think about it, what more than a god, could put enough fear in hundreds of thousands, millions of people, and make them abide by common everyday values we all live by now. back then there wasn't forensics, there wasn't really much of any justice system, so how do you keep all these people in check, and abide these rules we'll call the rules of life? (not stealing, not killing, ect ect, most of it is in the ten commandments) well if you have no real way of tracking down culprits of crimes and making them pay for them, hopefully putting fear into others so they don't follow the same path, you give them god, god, watches everything, every move, he knows what you're going to do before you do it, and if you should so happen to break these laws he's set for you, the punishment is everlasting torture...

people back then were also alot more gullable then now, which made it easy to set in the word of god, and put the fear into people in order to controll them... i've spent countless hours, trying to solve the great mystery of life and god, but somehow i always can only come to this conclusion, even the bible itsself admits it was written by man, it claims it's the word of god, but a man still wrote it, god himself didn't come down with a golden feather to dictate his own words...

being that it was written by man, completey discredits the whole idea to me, people make mistakes, people over exagerate, and people plain out lie... quite personally, life is too short to be trying to figure out which words were 'actually from god' and which were not meant to be there in the first place.... not to mention this book was written well over 2,000 years ago, and been translated hundreds of times... it's like that kids game where you whisper something into the person's ear that's next to you, and by the time the phrase has gone through 10 people, the phrase is absolutely nothing like what it started....