Philosophy of GOD

This thread is meant as a continuation/restarting of another thread â??arguments supporting Godâ?¦â?�. The idea of this thread is to have more of a philosophical discussion. With the starting argument:



When first presented the idea of God no man should accept it. It is much more reasonable to accept that there is no God than to assume there is. As this is a magical or mystical event and no person should believe this with out reason. So

The existence of no God is much more likely than the existence of god
One should have reason if to change there belief in favor of his existence
There is no reason to change your belief
Therefore there is no god

I'm not planning to go back and forth again. But really, there is no argument on this subject. God created all things. That's how they got there. You will never prove this wrong cause it's true. It's comes down to FAITH. An unbeliever puts his/her faith in the wisdom of other men (science), but I put my FAITH and TRUST in God's word. If you think you are bright enough to challenge him, feel free to do so. But I will let you know in advance that you will NOT win a debate against the Almighty.

Peace :thumbsup:

I have said nothing of science. I am asking a simple question. Why would someone change there beliefs. Everyone starts off life not believing and some change.

I am not here to tell you that Science said this… and therefore your wrong.

I am saying, that it is not my job to prove you wrong. IT is YOUR (not you specifically) job to prove that “god created all things”. For example

I say:
I have a dragon in my room

My friend says
No you don’t. I don’t have any reason to believe that

I say
Prove to me you don’t have a reason to believe that…

This is because I made the statement of existence. You don’t have to prove non-existence it is just assumed.

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Originally Posted by harris7

The existence of no God is much more likely than the existence of god
One should have reason if to change there belief in favor of his existence
There is no reason to change your belief
Therefore there is no god

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Its kinda an assumed atheist argument from the getgo, don't you think?

What supports the premise that the existence of no god is more likely?

plus, I love "there is no reason to change your belief"

I think "god" if I can apply the label so loosely, is to be found in the shadows that the light of reason doesn't reach. But the very existence of shadows allows us to infer the possibility of something. Negatively defined, you know? Anyway, I don't think you're going to be able to demonstrate anything deductively...

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Originally Posted by harris7

I have said nothing of science. I am asking a simple question. Why would someone change there beliefs. Everyone starts off life not believing and some change.

I am not here to tell you that Science said thisâ?¦ and therefore your wrong.

I am saying, that it is not my job to prove you wrong. IT is YOUR (not you specifically) job to prove that â??god created all thingsâ?�. For example

I say:
I have a dragon in my room

My friend says
No you donâ??t. I donâ??t have any reason to believe that

I say
Prove to me you donâ??t have a reason to believe thatâ?¦

This is because I made the statement of existence. You donâ??t have to prove non-existence it is just assumed.

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"Everyone starts off life not believing..." This is true I suppose, yet wrong. In my case and I'm sure most of the others on this site who argue the existense of god, have had the existense of god shoved down their throat from the moment they began speaking.

Secondly this debate is never ending. It is nobody's responsibility to prove anything regarding this topic. It all comes down to faith. I have faith in man kind despite it's shortcomings. I have no faith in god. Many here do however have faith in God.

Now on that note, it is faith. I'm tired of the religious assuming I'm rotting in hell for not believing. If I'm expected to be "forced" to believe in somethig than I'm not really believing in anything. Also stop knowing you are right... No one knows. Just becasue you believe in god does not mean you know he exists, so stop saying so. Same goes for athiests, just because it is illogical to believe in god doesn't mean the Christians didn't get lucky.

Here is the botom line. Nobody knows for sure if there is a god. Unless god came to your house and personally killed your first born child, you don't know shit.

If you say the existence of God can only be found where the light of reason doesn't reach, then the argument is moot. Philosophy is logic, and logic is math--'this, therefore that'. If you can't come to some rational evidence of God's existence, then all you have to go on is 'hearsay' or divine intervention.

The 'hearsay' is really hurting in the credibility department, and the few I've known claiming 'divine intervention' have spent some quality time with psychosis.

No all that is really needed is the belief that something is the creator for us. Look with you in the fact I don't believe in God, but face it, belief in a higher power is a part of human nature. Look at ancient civilizations, most of them believed in something. Granted, with the advances in science religion is losing it's importance in today's society.

Nothing has changed. Jesus who was anti-religion has become the cornerstone of almost all religions. He pointed out back then that religion was wrong and that the religious people were not following the Word of God. That they were not following him. They obviously were not following him cause they killed him. So what I'm saying is that nothing has changed about religion being credible. It was never credible in his word. I truly believe in my heart that every organized religion is FALSE. I don't mean to offend anyone, but that's how I feel in my heart. Organized religion is just trying to replicate what the jews did back in the day when they were the chosen people of God. I saw a news clip the other day that showed the oldest standing "church". How fitting that it was a synagogue. All those who claim to be going to church are really going to a synagogue but they just don't know it. Cause the true church is not a building. Well it is, but we are the living stones that make up the church. God dwells in people not in earthly buildings. He doesn't dwell in things made with the hands of man. We are the temple of the "living" god.

As far as those looking for proof that God exists, they are just closing their eyes. Who ever proved that the events in the bible didn't take place? And if they did take place, why don't you believe them? It's not that there's no proof, it's that the testimony of other men is not sufficient for you. You are basically calling all the writers of the scriptures liars without having a single piece of evidence against them. Keep in mind that the testimony of these different men came in different generations. You can believe what you like, but I'm here to defend that the Word of God is in fact the Word of God. And if it truly is the Word of God, who will ever prove him wrong?

These topics never prove anything, it just allows us to share what is in our hearts. I try to share the truth with others, but I don't get bothered if they choose not to believe cause everyone is held accountable for themselves.

I started off life thinking that when chinese people laughed they laughed in a in chinese, i soon found out laughter was a universal language, therefore, I changed my beliefs after I gained new wisdoms

i really can't speel engrish =/