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Neat formating. I can see why all this Illuminati silliness has so much appeal. Certainly the rich and powerful have a great deal of power. But the conspiracy mindset paints it as being done far more slickly than anyone, rich or powerful, is able to accomplish.

Ya know how they're always showing all this cool Special Forces, Superspy, BS in the movies. How they're so precise and manuveuring flawlessly? Then you see the real Special Forces, spys n' such in real life fucking it all up like little boys playing swat team. (think Somolia/BlackHawk Down) It's kinda the same way with all these supposed 'evil powers' controling the world. They're just not that good at it.

But peoples imaginations take off and they're visualizing Dr. Evil or Goldfinger. I think people enjoy it...enjoy it enough to obscess on it. Think about it--you don't see very many people obscessing on global warming, poor education, the plight of the homeless, etc.....<really big problems...like you do all this cloak and dagger stuff. I guess it makes life seem more like the movies and not so mundane. Oh well, whatever breaks the tedium I guess.

As long as your yelling conspiracy and fascist, you don't have face your own fear or any of the problems the world faces, and you put yourself in a position where you don't have to come with any solutions.

It's the prefect copout.


It all someone else's fault, someone else's responsibility. All of the "uniformed" are left to do the work, and to try and fine the answers for extremely complicated problems.

Ya gotta admit that Matrix presentation was a pretty good metaphor though. It's giving us fiction, claiming it's fact, but still paints it in high gloss fiction. After all The Matrix really was just good Scifi.

All you have to do is take a little bit of fact and paint it into a surreal video game conspiracy--complete with binary code and control console. We have an all powerful super-menace, the devil, aliens, superbankers and computer players opposing the forces of evil!...all the good stuff is there.

Maybe that's why it's so appealing. We can bring our movie and game fantasies right into real life. We grew up in the fantasy and it's a letdown that reality isn't like the movies....what a drag. I can sympathize. I've done my time with the games, movies and scifi pulp.

Doh! Why didn't I see it before....I just realized what all this Illuminati stuff is all about. As a society we're forming our mythology! Angels now days are aliens but the tradition continues! Check out Joseph Campbell: The Power of Myth.

i didn't say conspiracy. i didn't say illuminati. i don't yell fascist.

if we have so much control, why is every single one of you a criminal?

i don't debate or try to convert, because i accept no truth. i accept no knowledge. the more you see the less you know. i'm curious, do you think this is not a real quote:

"It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the illuminati and the principles of jacobinism had not spread in the united states. on the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than i am."

There are dozens of quotes like that. NEVER underestimate the power of denial. Its called cognitive dissonance. That quote is by George Washington.

Did someone just fabricate it? Perhaps "liberals" or "communists" inserted it.

The Illuminati are a historically documented organisation. That title is just a proxy, cuz we have no precedent to describe what is happening NOW, save by allegory (sci-fi). Speaking of sci-fi, read "The Moon is A HArsh Mistress".
It shows you how to have your own illuminati/conspiracy/coup de'tat.

I think most conspiracy theorists have had Hitlers bootheels thump around in their head, and so recognize how such a plan could be pulled off. i.e. "when i am king you will be first against the wall". 50 billion dollars buys a lot. 3 trillion buys the Earth.

im not here trying to make people believe. im here as a link. i am the dead israeli child, i am the dead palestininian child. i am the dead iraqi, i am the dead new yorker. i am the globalist, i am the peruvian shaman. i am crying out for balance within me, but everyone wants more of my blood. i am the helpless shizophrenic, i am the entralled psychologist. i am the patriotic republican, the nationalistic democrat, and the humanist libertarian. i am the opressed crying for revolution, i am priveledged crying for revelation. i am thru with the Argument.

Mason Proffit. Wanted Dead or Alive. Pretty much sums it up for me. Of course what do I know--nothing--by choice.


As I rode into Tombstone, my horse his name was Mac,
I saw what I'll relate to you, goin' on behind my back
It seems that folks were up in arms, a man now had to die,
For saying things that didn't fit the laws they'd set aside.
The man's name was "I'm a Freak", the best that I could see,
He was the executioner, a hangman just like me,
I guess that he'd seen loopholes, from workin' with his rope,
He'd hung the wrong man many times, so now he turned to hope.
He talked to all the people from his scaffold in the square,
He told them of the things he'd found, but they didn't seem to care
He said the laws were obsolete, a change they should demand,
But the people only walked away, he couldn't understand.
The marshall's name was Uncle Sam, he said he'd right this wrong,
He'd make the hangman shut his mouth if it took him all year long,
He finally arrested Freak, and then he sent for me,
To hang a fellow hangman, from a fellow hangman's tree.
It didn't take them long to try him, in their court of law,
He was guilty then of thinking, a crime much worse than all,
They sentenced him to die, so his seed of thought can't spread,
And infect the little children, that's what the law had said.
Well, the hangin' day came round and he walked up to the noose,
I pulled the lever but before he fell I cut him loose,
They called it all conspiracy, and then I had to die,
So to close our mouths and kill our minds, they hung us side by side...
And now we're two hangman, hangin' from a tree,
That don't bother me, at all.
Two hangman, hangin' from a tree,
That don't bother me, at all.